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i am thinking on buying the q9650 processor. i have now the e6700. how is the e6700 compared to the q9650, is it worth the $600 upgrade? (and i don't oc)
how is the performance gain?

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YES.
The q9650 has SSE4 and is quad core.
This will be more important once more software gets written for multi-cores. DX11 will also better handle multi-cores.
The q9650 will easily outperform the e6700 on multi-thread apps (like h.264 main concept).
The 775 socket will be dead soon anyway. So the you can keep your PC the way it is for the next few years.
If you don't notice any performance problems, then just save your money.
I'll personally get the q9450 then OC to 3 ghz.


Message edited by enewmen on 08-24-2008 at 07:45:19 AM
Reply to enewmen

No its not worth it,
E6700 is still a solid and very fast CPU even if u dont OC it.Also not all apps benefit from a Quad Core CPU,i never recommend buying expensive CPUs because with a little OC u can get to their speed.

to enewmen,DX11 isnt out yet and no one knows anything for sure about it,so u cant say it will benefit better from multi-cores.

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Reply to Maziar

Worth is relative. When you are purchasing a Q9650, you are first off paying for the highest stock clocked mainstream quad core. Which gets you the highest multiplier. On average they will overclock the highest (I said on average, there are exceptions to the rule). They don't usually represent the highest value though. This is because the percentage that they can overclock is lower than some of the lower binned parts.

The formula for this is:

(OC - Stock)/Stock= Y
Y X 100 = % of increase of clock over stock

For example lets say a given Q9400 can be overclocked to 3.2GHz from it's stock of 2.66GHz

(3.2-2.66)/2.66=0.203
So it overclocked 20.3% above stock (being conservative)

Now your Q9650 lets say overclocked to 3.54GHz from it's stock 3.0GHz. Now it's overclocked by the same absolute value, but:

(3.54-3.0)/3.0=.18
So it only overclocked 18% over stock.

Now using these same numbers to calculate value is easy, especially with CPU's from the same family as their speed tends to scale linearly with clockspeed.

Q9400
3.2GHz/$315= 10.2MHz/$

Q9650
3.54GHz/$600= 5.9MHz/$

Pretty easy to see.

Now I just pulled these numbers out of thin air, as I'm sure both CPU's could overclock much higher. The point I was trying to make was the percentage gained from the higher binned parts is usually lower than the lower binned parts. Now it depends which is more valuable to you, the absolute highest clock, or the percentage of value added (which you didn't pay for) from overclocking. So from this illustration it would be fairly simple to overclock a Q9400 up to or past that of a stock Q9650 without laying down that $600 dollars. Now if you have to have the absolute highest overclock or you are going stock but want the highest binned part, then the Q9650 is what you would consider the most valuable. Otherwise go with a lower binned part if you must upgrade, and get more MHz/$.

Also by gambling on a lower binned part, you just may get lucky and get one of those legendary oveclocking CPU's. I have never met a C2(D)(Q) that wouldn't give an additional 33% or higher with decent cooling.


Message edited by techgeek on 08-24-2008 at 10:18:40 AM
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Reply to techgeek

thanks techgeek.

now, lets just say, i won't oc. what performance gain i am going to get coming from an e6700 to the q9650?

Reply to jvc08

It'll be fairly significant. I'd go for the 9550 though - only a tiny bit slower for half the price.


Message edited by cjl on 08-24-2008 at 11:03:03 AM
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:lol:. o O (this is the same guy that wanted to upgrade a mini mac?)

 
jvc08 wrote :

i'm thinking about buying a mac mini. by default it comes with an intel processor. can i later just replace the intel cpu it comes with, with say, a common boxed intel cpu? (a q9650)

 

mac mini


Message edited by Grimmy on 08-24-2008 at 11:43:26 AM
Reply to Grimmy

The Q9550 has been moved to the E0 stepping (from C1) as of Aug 22. The new stepping will take some time to replace the older stepping in stores though. I agree with cjl, save a few hundred dollars and get something a tad slower. No need to pay for a high multi when you aren't OCing. You also haven't said what you want to do with this thing yet.

 

EDIT: Typo


Message edited by randomizer on 08-24-2008 at 11:42:18 AM
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Reply to randomizer

It is, Grimmy! LMAO!

To jvc08,

What are you trying to accomplish with upgrading to the Q9650? From what I saw on your previous topic about the Mac Mini, you're trying to accomplish something that's impossible. Before you keep asking questions about the same CPU, please post the full specs of your current rig, what you use it for, and what you hope to accomplish with this CPU upgrade. Without knowing this information, we can't fully help you. Overall, it's not worth spending $600 on a CPU right now with Nehalm just around the corner. Besides, the e6700 is still a solid CPU overall.

Reply to runswindows95

Maziar wrote :

No its not worth it,
E6700 is still a solid and very fast CPU even if u dont OC it.Also not all apps benefit from a Quad Core CPU,i never recommend buying expensive CPUs because with a little OC u can get to their speed.

to enewmen,DX11 isnt out yet and no one knows anything for sure about it,so u cant say it will benefit better from multi-cores.


I thought I was clear about not getting the Yorkfield unless there are noticeable performance problems. The "Yorkie" will make the system more future proof as more software gets multi-core/SSE4 support.
As for DX11 unlocking the power of multi-cores, many things are already known: HERE YOU GO! :bounce:
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38660/98/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX#DirectX_11
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feat [...] ucing_.php
ps (also agree with randomizer)


Message edited by enewmen on 08-24-2008 at 04:58:16 PM
Reply to enewmen

enewmen, the confusing part of your post is that you start with an emphatic YES, and then you back off of it.

 

Really it's no, as per the last sentence of your post and Randomizer's post.

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Message edited by Zorg on 08-24-2008 at 05:40:17 PM
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Zorg wrote :

enewmen, the confusing part of your post is that you start with an emphatic YES, and then you back off of it.

Really it's no, as per Randomizer.


I still would personally if it was my cash.

Reply to enewmen

It's not worth the cash, IMO. Money could be better spent elsewhere, as you said yourself.

Reply to Zorg

Ya... money spent on a mini mac, and trying to upgrade the CPU to that quad. :whistle:

 

I see that only 'runswindows95' that got what I saw.

 

Anyhoo... its your cash, do what ya want. :lol:


Message edited by Grimmy on 08-24-2008 at 05:58:59 PM
Reply to Grimmy

I saw it, mini mac FTW! :bounce:


Message edited by Zorg on 08-24-2008 at 05:59:18 PM
Reply to Zorg

:lol:. o O ( :oops: )


Message edited by Grimmy on 08-24-2008 at 05:59:56 PM
Reply to Grimmy

No, No, and No.
Not Worth It.

In about 1-2 Months you will be able to Buy a Nehalm, a Nehlam Mobo, AND DDR3 for about that price..........

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Reply to zenmaster

zenmaster wrote :

No, No, and No.
Not Worth It.

In about 1-2 Months you will be able to Buy a Nehalm, a Nehlam Mobo, AND DDR3 for about that price..........


Will it fit in a mini mac?

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Reply to randomizer

Zorg wrote :

It's not worth the cash, IMO. Money could be better spent elsewhere, as you said yourself.


Sorry for beating a dead horse. Let me try to explain my theory better if people arn't confused enough already.
FOR NORMAL PCs:
Most people know that for $600, apps like 3D games will perform much better if that money was spent on a good 3D card and RAM rather than a CPU.
Now Nehalem was mentioned. My thinking for getting a $600 Yorkfield will be a lot cheaper than getting a Nehalem a year or two down the road. Because the Nehalem has a new socket which also requires a new motherboard and new expensive DDR3 RAM ( and usually some other things as well). The 4 core Nemahem is about 30% faster than a Yorkfield, but the Yorkie should keep the system running fast enough to leapfrog the Nehalem generation to the Sandy Bridge generation.
This is what I plan to do to have fewer major system uppgrades. The PCIe 16x will be around a long time as well, so the video cards can still be upgraded on the same old motherboard.
If I'm wrong about the leapfrog theory, then I'll just hide in the closet and contemplate my inadequacies.

EDIT: If the system really is a mac-mini (good eyes Grimmy), then the problems are bigger than simply asking about the CPU. I'm not a mac guy, but from what little I know, you can not just buy any new mobo & nehalem and suff it in a mac case, then expect to run genuine Mac OSX. The minis have super sucky intergrated video (bottleneck), so any CPU upgrade will not work or show only modest gains.


Message edited by enewmen on 08-25-2008 at 06:03:15 AM
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