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look i know this is from the inquirer but if true all i can say is GOD

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] ers-defect

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The really interesting part is who they defected to, and it isn't ATI. Paperwork has been signed though, and it is a done deal.



It would be interesting if they defected to Intel - that would ultimately spell doom for any hope AMD has of beating Intel in a platform war.

Reply to ovaltineplease

"The really interesting part is who they defected to, and it isn't ATI. Paperwork has been signed though, and it is a done deal."

i wonder who they have went with if its not ati, maybe intel with there Larrabee?

Reply to rangers

I was kind of hoping that they would go to ATI, as I'm really quite partial to EVGA.

Reply to cjl

by the time i got my post out you had got there before me ovaltine

Reply to rangers

heh :P

Anyways, i'm exactly with cjl - EVGA's credibility is really unmatched; they have the best support, warranties, and end-user benefit programs. I'd be quite inclined to admit that i'm very big on EVGA as a company, and if they switched to Intel platforms and gpus - i'd likely be attracted to Intel's next platform simply based on their endorsement.

Reply to ovaltineplease

I also like EVGA, was very pleased with their support and product. It would be nice if they were going to do ATI cards too, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Well, I guess it's Intel or S3 or Matrix, probably Intel. . .

Reply to San Pedro

Its the Inquirer.

Has to be Intel if true.

Reply to dos1986

ovaltineplease wrote :

heh :P

Anyways, i'm exactly with cjl - EVGA's credibility is really unmatched; they have the best support, warranties, and end-user benefit programs. I'd be quite inclined to admit that i'm very big on EVGA as a company, and if they switched to Intel platforms and gpus - i'd likely be attracted to Intel's next platform simply based on their endorsement.


I dont like it at all. I used to love EVGA, but this is traitorous, quitting nVidia is one thing, going to Intel? Better to go with the devil you know.....

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Reply to jaydeejohn

I can see this thread being pulled.

Its happenend on a few forums already.

Reply to dos1986

I guess, but Intel still offers a better platform than AMD. Of course, the jury is still out on Larabee so we'll just have to see.

Reply to ovaltineplease

ovaltineplease wrote :

It would be interesting if they defected to Intel - that would ultimately spell doom for any hope AMD has of beating Intel in a platform war.



I do remember some stories being published during Computex about how many of the graphics card manufacturing partners were upset with the low margins they were given and would defect to Intel in a second if the opportunity arose.

However, I highly doubt this is a wholesale defection, but rather XFX and EVGA deciding not to be Nvidia exclusive partners, much like Gainward did recently. It wouldn't make much sense to sign on as an Intel exclusive right now when Larrabee isn't supposed to go on the market until sometime next year.

It's interesting that Intel is already attracting some manufacturing partners, but personally I'm still skeptical about Intel's ability to produce a graphics solution that isn't rivaled by an Etch-A-Sketch for capability.

Reply to Just_An_Engineer

Well, this is rife for fanboy stuff, and flaming. Im very diappointed, and only hope the best for nVidia at this point.

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Reply to jaydeejohn

You should hope better for AMD, cause they need all the help they can get too.

Read their quarterly report?

Reply to ovaltineplease

jaydeejohn wrote :

Well, this is rife for fanboy stuff, and flaming. Im very diappointed, and only hope the best for nVidia at this point.



What are you on about?

Reply to dos1986

You said this thread could be pulled, I assumed people on other forums were acting a tad unruly there, sorry if I misunderstood you

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Reply to jaydeejohn

I don't really care XD

just as long as I get a good cheap product

Reply to thogrom

Ohh god know, it was pulled for something else entirely ( dont know what ).

I should have been more clear

Reply to dos1986

Do we really need intel monopolizing the cpu and gfx market?

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Reply to STEMNIN

Anyways, thats one thing I loved about nVidia was EVGA. If they end up going exclusive Intel after Larrabee, I wont think the same of them, not anymore. Im just not going to chase the carrot on this one. My money will speak for me. Unless Larrabee is some killer scenario, which I doubt very much, its either ATI or nVidia for me, with or without EVGA

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Reply to jaydeejohn

jaydeejohn wrote :

Well, this is rife for fanboy stuff, and flaming. Im very diappointed, and only hope the best for nVidia at this point.



i dont know who to root for on one hand you want good competition on the other nvidia has been ripping us off for years and i just think frack them fracking koonts

Reply to rangers

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u292/Surreal4/GainwardPosterContest.jpg
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/ [...] ?t=2007215

 

FOLLOWING ITS ACQUISITION by graphics giant Palit, reports are popping up that Gainward is going the way of the watermelon: while it keeps with a polished green outside, it%u2019s turning red on the inside. Yes, Gainward, known for its long standing relationship with the Green Goblin and cherry-picked performance graphics chips, has turned to punching out ATI-based cards.

 

The first HD 4850/HD 4870 cards will be pretty standard stuff, from what we garner, as the photos reveal they have the stock heatsinks we%u2019ve tested before. However, we can expect the long tradition of Golden Sample/Bliss will kick in sooner rather than later and add some extra muscle to the line-up.


Message edited by pogsnet on 07-22-2008 at 02:16:11 AM
Reply to pogsnet

yes we all know about gainward this post is for XFX and EVGA

Reply to rangers

I believe XFX and EVGA does not really defected sides, they maybe offering now ATI/AMD products unlike before they are exclusive to Nvidia. Since Nvidia has no concrete response to 4800 series and while 5800 is now in cooking mode, its hopeless at the moment to be tied to single product while other product is profitable with good future. They are now I believe in "don't be left behind" strategy, like gainward.

5800 series is coming with 40 or 45nm die size while Nvidia has problems perfecting 55nm. This is one good reason for XFX and EVGA to think of.


Message edited by pogsnet on 07-22-2008 at 02:28:36 AM
Reply to pogsnet

Hey rangers and all comers...I've got a bridge for sale...cheap!

Reply to dennisburke

dennisburke wrote :

Hey rangers and all comers...I've got a bridge for sale...cheap!



PCI or PCIexpress

Reply to rangers

nvidia and there cockiness had it comin.
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Reply to invisik

I truly truly doubt it, there must be a TON of legal stuff they have to clear out before swichting sides, so we'd be hearing about legal talks and other lawyers' stuff and then the switch.

O well, I guess if ATI offers some good product I'd take it in XFX flavor.

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Reply to SirCrono

i hope XFX defects to AMD. who doesn't love double lifetime warranty?

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Reply to teh_boxzor

I don't know, it seems unlikely that they would defect to a company which is in a financially worse situation than the company they were already partnered with.

Reply to ovaltineplease

i dont think it matters what the financial status is of the company they're supporting as long as said company makes the product and sells it to the distribution company. Its not like XFX or EVGA are subsidies of Nvidia and can't support whatever product they want.

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Reply to teh_boxzor

I don't get why a lifetime warranty is a selling point... I don't get it at all...

you usually replace a gfx card in about 2 - 3 years... (5 at most because then the rest of your system just sucks too) so why would you need to warranty it past that... sure you can stick it in an old pc you use for web browsing or w/e... but a lifetime warranty... seriously... you'll be dead before it's out... its so pointless...

Reply to thogrom

rangers wrote :

PCI or PCIexpress



+2

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Reply to royalcrown

Theyd look at Sapphire and see how theyre doing. Or other ATI partners, maybe theyve already tested the waters, tho, this may upset ATIs current partners. All these are contracts, which have varying optouts, so anyone at anytime could do this, depending on contract. I believe Sapphire has certain exclusives regarding ATI, and it would be harder for them to jump ship. I assumed EVGA did as well with nVidia, but it looks as if I was wrong dayum

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Reply to jaydeejohn

dunno, the whole thing reads like a BAD hollywood rag..., typical,

come to think of it, most of these reply posts do to.

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thogrom wrote :

I don't get why a lifetime warranty is a selling point... I don't get it at all...

you usually replace a gfx card in about 2 - 3 years... (5 at most because then the rest of your system just sucks too) so why would you need to warranty it past that... sure you can stick it in an old pc you use for web browsing or w/e... but a lifetime warranty... seriously... you'll be dead before it's out... its so pointless...



Because sh@@ breaks !

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Reply to royalcrown

is it possible for a manufacture to sell both ati and nvidia?

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Reply to invisik

invisik wrote :

is it possible for a manufacture to sell both ati and nvidia?



Yes Asus , Gigabyte sell both ATI and Nvidia cards.


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thogrom wrote :

I don't get why a lifetime warranty is a selling point... I don't get it at all...

you usually replace a gfx card in about 2 - 3 years... (5 at most because then the rest of your system just sucks too) so why would you need to warranty it past that... sure you can stick it in an old pc you use for web browsing or w/e... but a lifetime warranty... seriously... you'll be dead before it's out... its so pointless...




EVGA's lifetime warranty covers hardware failure due to overclocking - as long as you don't physically smash the card with a hammer or something equally stupid, they will replace it.

Given that EVGA readily encourages those who buy their products to overclock the crap out of them - its a pretty good selling point.

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Yes Asus , Gigabyte sell both ATI and Nvidia cards.



And Palit


Message edited by ovaltineplease on 07-22-2008 at 04:30:46 AM
Reply to ovaltineplease

It would be wise to sell both products either ATI or Nvidia, which ever is profitable at the current time would not always be forever unless they play underground stuffs like Intel did in P4 times.

Reply to pogsnet

If the Inquirer is right, then they're going to Intel and not AMD. There's no viable option other than Intel. I'll guess that they will fulfill Nvidia contracts then gear up to be exclusive Intel partners for Larrabee. Intel knows EVGA is trusted and wants to take business away from Nvidia before AMD.

After all, Intel needs a weak AMD around in the CPU market and wants someone serious to compete against in the GPU market. Nvidia's just picked too many fights with Intel. Intel does not need Nvidia around. Not at all. Especially not with CUDA.

So, I hope that Nvidia gets their act together and reforms while doing a nice second place this year and third place next year. I'd love to see Nvidia support make something of a Via return to the desktop with at least low to mid range CPU's. I'd love to see a 3 way market where the other two CPU and GPU players aren't cannibalizing each other's sales but actually offering serious alternatives to Intel.

We could see a repeat with Huang that we saw with Ruiz. Guy leads a company forward to market leader but then makes serious misteps that cause the company to bleed cash and lose market share.

I just wish it would happen with Intel and Ottelini one of these years.


Message edited by yipsl on 07-22-2008 at 10:13:14 AM
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Reply to yipsl

Well, that is hardly good news. Larrabee should be available to the market soon, i guess. Not that the Brand of the card influences the card I'm going to/not to buy. Nvidia should have taken care of its own for a bit, and take a bit of the hit aswell.

Like it said in the Inq, this is gonna be a hot summer.

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Reply to radnor

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Well, that is hardly good news.



Lol, that is the only quantifiable good way to put it.


The thing is that if Intel dominates the platform market and squashes AMD - then it'll become apparent quite rapidly that not only will buying a gaming PC become ludicrously expensive (and we know Intel is all about that); but it'll drive even more developers to the console platform as a result.

I gotta say i'm really kinda holding my breath and hoping that Intel doesn't make Nehalem and Larrabee TOO expensive - but at the same time if Nehalem and Larrabee are TOO GOOD then its going to probably put AMD so deep in crap that they won't be able to swim out..

Reply to ovaltineplease

invisik wrote :

nvidia and there cockiness had it comin.
=]




its funny that you mention cockiness now nvidia are getting shafted by intel

stay out the gutter bill

Reply to rangers

thogrom wrote :

I don't get why a lifetime warranty is a selling point... I don't get it at all...

you usually replace a gfx card in about 2 - 3 years... (5 at most because then the rest of your system just sucks too) so why would you need to warranty it past that... sure you can stick it in an old pc you use for web browsing or w/e... but a lifetime warranty... seriously... you'll be dead before it's out... its so pointless...



The thing that is so great about evga's warrenty is that it warrents overclocking and after market coolers. They also have great support that doesnt really question alot when you have to send it in and it is a pretty quick process. Thats on top of you never having to worry about the warrenty running out.

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Reply to 3Ball

ovaltineplease wrote :

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=466366&mpage=4

Evgatech_jacobf claims that the afformentioned enquirer post is false.



There is also a post on HardOCP that states both XFX and EVGA were called for confirmation and both companies flatly denied that the story was true.

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?n [...] FzdCwsLDE=

Reply to Just_An_Engineer

Most of us know that Charlie from The Inquirer is an anti NVIDIA person who has nothing better to do than to make up **** just to put down NVIDIA. Wouldn't be surprised if he made this up.

At this point I don't see why XFX and EVGA should defect from NVIDIA at this time.

Reply to John Vuong

hmm, it's kinda what you expect companies to say exactly before they announce it is true though, ain't it.

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