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Now this is a fair comparison, two GTX280 against single 4870X2 (this is a two CARD!!)

which one wins when running Crysis at highest setting as possible? GTX280SLI for me

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Yes it is. Quite obvious so. But which is cheaper? And has better performance per buck ratio?

Reply to stridervm

if someone wants the BEST card on the planet right now. GTX280 is the choice. its expensive.. but u get the best card on the market.

Reply to concrum

Only until Aug 12th

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concrum wrote :

if someone wants the BEST card on the planet right now. GTX280 is the choice. its expensive.. but u get the best card on the market.


really on review the 9800gx2 performs on par with it? is there any new benchmarks with new drivers?

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concrum wrote :

Now this is a fair comparison, two GTX280 against single 4870X2 (this is a two CARD!!)

which one wins when running Crysis at highest setting as possible? GTX280SLI for me




Let's see here.

GTX 280: $419/ea (I'm being generous too - this is the Palit one after rebate, currently the cheapest on Newegg), so $840 total.

HD4870X2: Somewhere around $600 (Again I'm being generous to the 280's, as this is on the high end of the estimated price).

Since when is comparing $840 worth of stuff to $600 worth of stuff a fair comparison?

If I go with more average numbers, the 280's go for $450 each (evga), and the x2 will be more like $500. Now it becomes $900 vs $500.

Oh, and did you know that the 4850 flattens a 9600GSO? That's fair right - they're both a single card...

Reply to cjl

The 4870 beats G260,9800GTX+,GTX9800,ULTRA,8800GTX,8800GTS512,8800GT, even the TNT2 Model 64 heheh


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concrum wrote :

if someone wants the BEST card on the planet right now. GTX280 is the choice. its expensive.. but u get the best card on the market.


Mkay, and...?

 

In answer to your OP, as of right now the SLI'd GTX280s beat the 4870X2 by fairly wide margin in Crysis (and rightly so). And of course it isn't a fair comparison. But you already knew this, now go away troll :hello:


Message edited by homerdog on 07-22-2008 at 06:57:12 PM
Reply to homerdog

LOL, concrum is my fav troll, he's more like a nieghbours pet really though.

Reply to The Lads

He's defending his purchase thats all he's doing.

WEll my GX2 can own the 280 GTX in tri sli. Yeah thats right, I bought it, I love it, it owns you, and it loves Cysis.

I have homemade benchmarks to prove it:D

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L1qu1d wrote :

He's defending his purchase thats all he's doing.

WEll my GX2 can own the 280 GTX in tri sli. Yeah thats right, I bought it, I love it, it owns you, and it loves Cysis.

I have homemade benchmarks to prove it:D



haha ya i have one 2.
=]
hey liquid u seem experienced can u answer my ? on the other thread i started titled gpu power consumption its related to the 9800gx2 so u might no the answer.

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OK Baron concrum, you win, better?

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Reply to jaydeejohn

invisik wrote :

haha ya i have one 2.
=]
hey liquid u seem experienced can u answer my ? on the other thread i started titled gpu power consumption its related to the 9800gx2 so u might no the answer.



I'll give it a shot

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Reply to L1qu1d

so seriously whats the point of this thread?
yes concrum, you win. here's your cookie.(oooo)
the o's are chocolate chips.

Reply to eklipz330

If you bought a 700$ card at the time would you want to show its large tool? Too bad it pleases only 1 woman, and her name is Crysis. :D

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Reply to L1qu1d

FIRST - Crysis is a game developed closely with nVidia which poured about 4-5 milions in its development (I might be wrong about the money here). It was developed especially for nVidia cards adjusting to their architecture etc. It was very non generic game, but closely specialized to nVidia.

That's why it scales much better on SLI and very bad on Crossfire.

2. You should be comparing 1 GTX 280 to 1 4870x2. Stop with the wining how many chips the card have. I dont hear you complaining that your dual or quad core have more that 1 core right? What would you say if I tell you that my single core Opteron (overclocked to 3.2 GHz) is faster than your quad core 6600

3. I am really anxious to see when the 4870 OC versions start to pop out. 800-850 core, 1GB memory at 4GHz will stomp the 280GTX by my opinion (may be except crysis but I wont bet money on that)

Reply to rawsteel

^Good post, with only one flaw: you are appealing to concrum's sense of reason. The fanboy cares not for your petty logic.

Reply to homerdog

point two is really good. like the logic.

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rawsteel wrote :

FIRST - Crysis is a game developed closely with nVidia which poured about 4-5 milions in its development (I might be wrong about the money here). It was developed especially for nVidia cards adjusting to their architecture etc. It was very non generic game, but closely specialized to nVidia.

That's why it scales much better on SLI and very bad on Crossfire.

2. You should be comparing 1 GTX 280 to 1 4870x2. Stop with the wining how many chips the card have. I dont hear you complaining that your dual or quad core have more that 1 core right? What would you say if I tell you that my single core Opteron (overclocked to 3.2 GHz) is faster than your quad core 6600

3. I am really anxious to see when the 4870 OC versions start to pop out. 800-850 core, 1GB memory at 4GHz will stomp the 280GTX by my opinion (may be except crysis but I wont bet money on that)




ignorant at its finest!

you dont want your 4870 runs as hot as 150*C woudl you? if u want to cook your rig, its fine with me

Reply to concrum

lol^ dude where do you get your facts????!?!?!?!!?!


Geez I'm done with this thread, the 280 GTX was a flop for the money and even if it were matched up to the 4870 in price, the 4870 outperfroms in CrossX most of the time, it has Dx10.1, it has 55 nm, :) I can go on but your fanboyism is too strong of an odor!

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Reply to L1qu1d

4870x2 will go for 550(aprox) while 2 gtx 280 for 800 to 900.........

sure 2gtx will beat the x2. but thats only bcoz IT COST $300 MORE.
so no, its not fair unless u want to compare 39$ HD3450 with $340 gtx 260.($300 difference in price after all)

but consider this.......x2 will run most "new" games in 60 to 80fps and 2gtx at 70 to 100........but will that make any difference considering ur we wont be able to tell the difference between these two setup unles we install FRAPS. now is all that worth

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concrum wrote :

ignorant at its finest!

 

you dont want your 4870 runs as hot as 150*C woudl you? if u want to cook your rig, its fine with me


No, I wouldn't want one running that hot.

 


So I would turn the fan up to 30%. Problem solved. (That was a really hard one though ;))

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Message edited by cjl on 07-22-2008 at 07:41:56 PM
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cjl wrote :

No, I wouldn't want one running that hot.


So I would turn the fan up to 30%. Problem solved. (That was a really hard one though ;))



well unless you want your your rig make noise as hard a vacuum.. its fine with me.

Reply to concrum

Since when does the fan at 30% sound like a vacuum?

 

Besides, you're one to talk. You're advocating the GTX 280, one of the loudest cards available:

 

http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/L/110757/original/image003.png

 


(yes, that's over sixty six decibels)

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Haha...concrum seems to be desperately searching for different ways he can denounce the 4870.

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Its fine with me. If its fine with you its fine with me. Vaccums and heat are fine with me if its fine with you.

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Wait...... Two GTX 280s in SLI will beat one HD4870X2 in Crysis...... No way!

I need hard proof... And I do not mean Some Web Site with a "BIAS" review. I want all the hardware sent to me and I will give you a "UNBIAS" review.

1Haplo

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Guru3D is 1

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Reply to L1qu1d

WTF! 66DB? wow, I never knew that....

I guess i would have to add it into the water loop... Resolved.


Message edited by grieve on 07-22-2008 at 09:32:30 PM
Reply to grieve

I certainly don't agree with Concrum's position - however: turning up a fan doesn't make the heat disappear into a black hole of nothingness and it also makes the video card consume more power.

I could really care less about either of those scenarios, but some people might.

Anyways, I wouldn't recommend the gtx280 - its hideously overpriced and its little brother gtx260 is just a flat out better value/performance ratio and has better overall SLI scaling per dollar as well.

Regardless, if all you care about is playing Crysis - then you might as well wait for the 4870x2 and Quadfire them because they will very likely outperform GTX 280 SLI even in Crysis with AA enabled once the drivers and GPU itself are out of the prototype stage.

Reply to ovaltineplease

It doesn't make the heat disappear, but it does dump it out the back of the case, and the card itself will run cooler, which makes it disappear for all practical purposes (as far as your computer is concerned).

Reply to cjl

yea, I know that; its quite apparent - but it still will matter to some people under some circumstances.

Reply to ovaltineplease

1HAPLO wrote :

Wait...... Two GTX 280s in SLI will beat one HD4870X2 in Crysis...... No way!

 

I need hard proof... And I do not mean Some Web Site with a "BIAS" review. I want all the hardware sent to me and I will give you a "UNBIAS" review.

 

1Haplo


Sarcasm? It's a shame I even have to ask, but with fools like concrum running around...

 

*Edited for content :)


Message edited by homerdog on 07-22-2008 at 09:54:00 PM
Reply to homerdog

It's like Poe's law :)

Reply to cjl

This guy is an idiot fanboi. Move along.....

Reply to Kaldor

Hey, if you're an Nvida Fanboy...the 280 is the best EXPENSIVE option... but, just the fact that there is a comparison between 2 GTX 280s in SLI to ONE 4870X2

I'd say is a compliment to ATI... you can't say this about the 9800GX2

PS - for all you 280 fans, you should be happy that the 4000 series exists...its making your Expensive ass cards cheaper.

Reply to texasreefer

Do you know how unoptomized crysis is for ATI cards? its a joke, try proper games like age of conan, grid, hl 2, ut 3, company of heroes, see who dominates those games.

I have my 4870 at 30 % fan, all the heat goes directly out of the case and the card idles at 45 c load at 58 c and i can barely hear the fan.

Enough with the NVDA "the way bull **** is meant to be taken" fanboyism

Reply to fugben

cjl wrote :

Since when does the fan at 30% sound like a vacuum?

Besides, you're one to talk. You're advocating the GTX 280, one of the loudest cards available:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/G/L/1 [...] age003.png


(yes, that's over sixty six decibels)



well i dont see any 4800 serie in that fig. i know an OC 4870 will hits 100 or even 110

Reply to concrum

sarwar_r87 wrote :

4870x2 will go for 550(aprox) while 2 gtx 280 for 800 to 900.........

sure 2gtx will beat the x2. but thats only bcoz IT COST $300 MORE.
so no, its not fair unless u want to compare 39$ HD3450 with $340 gtx 260.($300 difference in price after all)

but consider this.......x2 will run most "new" games in 60 to 80fps and 2gtx at 70 to 100........but will that make any difference considering ur we wont be able to tell the difference between these two setup unles we install FRAPS. now is all that worth




I agree...Currently, I play Crysis at Very High Settings at 1920 x 1080 on my 47" 1080p Westinghouse with my 3870s Crossfired (through HDMI). The Frames may be slower, but I can't tell...Smmooth as BUTTA! I don't enable AA or AF but, tweaking Catalyst the right way and who needs it. I can't wait to get these 4870s Quadfired, although I believe that a OC 4870 and an X2 would be better complimented in Triple Crossfire.

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Reply to texasreefer

An OC 4870? has that been released yet? over 100 dB? r u joking?

Reply to fugben

An OC 4870? has that been released yet? over 100 dB? r u joking?

Reply to fugben

OK, here's one with the 4800 series:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/P/W/114980/original/noise.png

Both the 4850 and the 4870 are more than 13dB quieter than the GTX 280 under full load. In fact, both the 4850 and the 4870 are quieter under full load than the GTX 280 is at idle.

Reply to cjl

concrum wrote :

ignorant at its finest!

you dont want your 4870 runs as hot as 150*C woudl you? if u want to cook your rig, its fine with me




your the ignorant one, if you get the fan working right it runs way cooler than the 280 stop ur fud please

Reply to rangers

fugben wrote :

An OC 4870? has that been released yet? over 100 dB? r u joking?




FYI.....not even the card in question (4870X2) has been released yet. So NO it hasn't?

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Reply to texasreefer

Concrum - are you running the GTX 280 in SLI? and, if so, what are you running them on

My point is... even if the 280 SLIed is faster and quieter in the stats, that doesn't mean that your 280 Sli set-up is fast than my System with ONe 4870X2


Message edited by texasreefer on 07-22-2008 at 10:45:21 PM
Reply to texasreefer

concrum wrote :

But you have to turn the fan up to 30% to able to get 4800 serie to cool down like GTX200. and even with 30% fan up, its still as hot as 78*C idle!


You do realize that 30% is quite a low fan speed, right?

Do I have to explain to you about percentages?

Also, at 30%, idle temps are nowhere even near 78C.

Reply to cjl

concrum wrote :

cooler, but loud as a vacuum


You know, if you remove the cooler part of this statement, you have a perfect description of a 280 SLI system.

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