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I'm a novice pc builder, so bear with me.

I was browsing some motherboards, and it seems that they announce the max. overclocked FSB and RAM frequences rather than stock settings.
However, if I just wanted to buy a stable system and use the stock settings, should I completely ignore those OC numbers that manufacturers show to market their products?

Also, is there even a motherboard nowadays on the market that could not be overclocked? I mean it's a standard bios feature, right?

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Lots of motherboards come bios locked. It's the norm for pre-built computers, like those from HP or Dell.

You really should look at chipset reviews rather than what manufacturers tell you as the oced value. If you don't oc, yes you can ignore them.

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
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You will find less settings on some of the really cheap mobos, but I don't think you will find a locked BIOS unless you buy an OEM.

You may not want to OC now, but you might later. I assume you are looking at a Core 2, based on your post. They OC very easily and stably unless you go crazy. The Q6600 for instance gets a "free" OC, on any decent P35 or above mobo, to 3Ghz. That's like getting a free upgrade to a Q6800, which, if you can find it, costs about $895. So you get an $895 CPU for $189.00.

Good deal aye?



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Felix:
Just FYI, some BIOS utilities will have a number of options disabled initially as the guys above have said, but generally there is a combination of keys you can press to unlock them (CTRL+F1, for examlple).

The restricted settings normally include the options that allow you to change your memory and CPU voltages and FSB frequency. If you do decide to start overclocking in the future, then the more basic BIOS (found in most commercially built machines) is a good way to start.

Agree with Zorg, try and find a board with a Q6600 or similiar CPU that runs at 2.66GHz because they generally have a very generic FSB freq that can work very well with most ram modules (using what's known as a 'clock multiplier') and is a good way to start overclocking (easier calculations).

As for your question, I wouldn't look too far into whether or not your mobo is overclocked - if it is sold overclocked then 9 times out of 10 the distributor has run some extensive testing on it to ensure its stability, not to mention manufacturer warranties.

Overclocking is frowned at mostly by people who don't fully understand it, but given the hardware available today it would be damn near impossible to damage your hardware during overclocking, because mobos that allow you to clock to those higher frequencies have very good heat sensors that will prevent your board from even running if the equipment gets too hot.

Buy whatever looks attractive to you, don't worry too much about overclocked components.

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taskforcetiny wrote :

Overclocking is frowned at mostly by people who don't fully understand it, but given the hardware available today it would be damn near impossible to damage your hardware during overclocking, because mobos that allow you to clock to those higher frequencies have very good heat sensors that will prevent your board from even running if the equipment gets too hot.

I don't know that I would go that far. A mild OC to 3G or 3.2G won't present any problems, but you still need to monitor idle and load temps. You need to monitor load and idle temps at stock anyway. It is possible, and even easy, to damage the mobo and CPU at extreme OCs that require excessive voltage increases.

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Zorg wrote :

I don't know that I would go that far. A mild OC to 3G or 3.2G won't present any problems, but you still need to monitor idle and load temps. You need to monitor load and idle temps at stock anyway. It is possible, and even easy, to damage the mobo and CPU at extreme OCs that require excessive voltage increases.



Effect of voltage depends on the particular cpu. A q6600 can tolerate higher voltages much better than most other chips. It's one of the major reasons why most overclockers prefer such a dated cpu over newer ones. The official "recommended voltage" on Intel's website for q6600 is listed as 1.5v or below. At 3.6ghz, q6600 can usually run fully stable at 1.45, which is well within safe limits for a q6600, but much higher than q9300/e8400's official recommendation of 1.3v.

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
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dagger wrote :

Effect of voltage depends on the particular cpu. A q6600 can tolerate higher voltages much better than most other chips. It's one of the major reasons why most overclockers prefer such a dated cpu over newer ones. The official "recommended voltage" on Intel's website for q6600 is listed as 1.5v or below. At 3.6ghz, q6600 can usually run fully stable at 1.45, which is well within safe limits for a q6600, but much higher than q9300/e8400's official recommendation of 1.3v.

I appreciate you schooling me on that. :lol:

This is what I was responding to.

taskforcetiny wrote :

... but given the hardware available today it would be damn near impossible to damage your hardware during overclocking, because mobos that allow you to clock to those higher frequencies have very good heat sensors that will prevent your board from even running if the equipment gets too hot.

And this is the pertinent quote.

Zorg wrote :

It is possible, and even easy, to damage the mobo and CPU at extreme OCs that require excessive voltage increases.

Do you agree?

If you do, and I know you do, what is your point?


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Point was, it's easy to damage cpu through oc for some chips, not as easy for others. No blanket statements. :p

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
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Read what I said again, the key words are "mobo and CPU "... "extreme OC that requires excessive voltage"

 

Should I start a thread and ask opinions?

 

Maybe a poll? :lol:


Message edited by Zorg on 09-29-2008 at 02:42:16 AM
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I am curious though, if you wanted to do an extreme overclock, why would you be doing it on a mobo that would allow your CPU to fry? Modern day mobos won't complete the post if the CPU is clocked too high, and older mobos that WOULD fry a cpu don't have the clock multipliers to stress todays 'latest' cpu's. Or am I wrong? Not having a dig, genuinley curious.

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Because mobos aren't your keeper.

 

The mobo manufacturers get more business for the highest OC, just like racing etc.

 

The difference is that the consumer will not allow hollow results/benches to stand. So unlike their counterparts they need to perform that way for the customer.

 

I have always been a believer in the understanding of DON'T OWN THE BIKE IF YOU CAN'T FLIP IT.
[Modified for clarity] I don't want to lose anyone.

 

It's all about the OC and your mobo better damn well not hold you back.

 

Does that answer your question, or do you need more?


Message edited by Zorg on 09-29-2008 at 11:24:24 AM
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Yeah thats good, cheers lol

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Cheers to you.

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