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July 7, 2008 6:58:54 PM

Hi there,

In few/several days i'm going to order the stuff to build my gaming rig.

Here's how it looks like:

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Updated:

Case: Antec 900
PSU: Corsair 750TX
Motherboard: Asus P5E Deluxe
CPU: Q9450
HDD: WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 rpm
RAM: TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX
GPU: Asus HD4870, Asus is one of the cheaper in my place
Display: Samsung 226BW (thinking about 226CW at the moment)

Cooling stuff:

CPU Cooler: ZALMAN CNPS9700
Thermal Compound: ZALMAN ZM-STG1

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Outdated (first one):

Case: Antec 900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: Corsair 750TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: Asus Rampage Formula
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Q6600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 rpm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: TWIN2X4096-9136C5DF
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: HD4870 one, waiting for newegg user reviews

Display: Samsung 226BW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooling stuff:

CPU Cooler: ZALMAN 9500A LED
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thermal Compound: ZALMAN ZM-STG1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD Cooler: TTC-HD90

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Some thoughs:

GPU:
I'm going to crossfire with another 4870 later. I guess the PSU is alright for it.

Motherboard:
I'm doing next upgrade in 2-3 years, is it ok to go with DDR2 now?

Motherboard/CPU/RAM:
Could you check FSB/MHz thing?

HDD:
I had decided to go with Raptor 150GB first, but changed my mind because of price/performance/space ratio.
I've got WD 500GB USB drive (I mean, I could live with single 150GB Raptor + that USB drive for now), so maybe should I switch back to Raptor? Is it worth it?
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I really need your advices!
Any suggestions on the build would be nice as well.

Thanks for your help, I greatly appreciate it (:

Wieslaw

Edited after Shadowducks reply:

Mobo: P5E Deluxe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: I will look at cheaper ones. Problem is I can choose from these manufacturers only:
Apacer, CISCO, HP, Corsair, FUJITSU, Kingston, PQI, Codegen, Asus, A-Data, Olympus.
Is there any you can suggest?

CPU: Is Q9450's 2.66Ghz so worth getting over 2.4Ghz Q6600. Price difference is like 330/210.

Waiting for next reply :)  Thanks!
July 8, 2008 3:31:09 AM

All 48x0 series are reference cards. They are 100% identical. Buy the cheapest one with the best warranty.

Motherboard is overkill. Look at the P5E Deluxe instead. Consider upgrading to a Q9450.

PSU is fine.

What the hell is all I can say on the RAM. Vastly overpriced and won't provide benefit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146731 Buy this instead.
July 8, 2008 5:34:00 AM

Mobo: Getting P5E Deluxe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: I will look at cheaper ones, as you suggested. Problem is I can choose from these manufacturers only: (no mushkin there :/ )
Apacer, CISCO, HP, Corsair, FUJITSU, Kingston, PQI, Codegen, Asus, A-Data, Olympus.
Is there any you can suggest?

CPU: Is Q9450's 2.66Ghz so worth getting over 2.4Ghz Q6600? Price difference is like 330/210.

Waiting for next reply :)  Thanks!
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July 8, 2008 7:25:46 AM

I use mushkin DDR2 1000 on P5E X38, I know that mushkins DDR2 1000 is not on the supported memory list, but hey! I don't encounter any problem.

I have to say go for Q6600 and OC it to 3GHz for daily usage, but your CNPS9500 is not enough, go for CNPS9700, Xigmatek HDT-S1283, or Scythe Orrochi or get Q9300 if you want an increase of performance, Q9450 is not worth the money right now.

July 8, 2008 12:11:23 PM

I guess I'll go with Q9300 then, probably..

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., hope it will work on P5E mobo.
(Well, at least http://www.corsair.com/configurator/product_results.asp... says it does)

What is I'am afraid of is the chance that ZALMAN 9700 will not fit in in P5E Deluxe (X48), will it?
9500A should be fine on Q9300 (even overclocked) though, could set it at higher %, it's more silent that 9700 one. And smaller, lighter.

By the way, shouldn't I get 1066MHz RAM? Please be sure about it.

I think I'll get raptor 150GB and seagate 500GB instead of WD 640GB one.

P.S. RAM brand thing is not really compatibility issue I'm concerned at this point, it's rather the country I live in.
July 8, 2008 2:32:22 PM

I guess I'll go with Q9300 then, probably..
-Yup! Q9300 is a good choice.

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., hope it will work on P5E mobo.
-It will work out fine, but don't waste your money on 1066 DDR2, just get DDR2 800. It doesn't make any big difference. BTW : My Mushkin DDR2 1000 is working on 667 at 9x333=3GHz Q6600.

What is I'am afraid of is the chance that ZALMAN 9700 will not fit in in P5E Deluxe (X48), will it?
9500A should be fine though, could set it at higher %, it's more silent that 9700 one. And smaller, lighter.
-I see, that the lay out from P5E X48 Dlx is not very different from my P5E X38, I think, it has the same lay out. I don't have any problem using CNPS9700.

I think I'll get raptor 150GB and seagate 500GB instead of WD 640GB one.
-Raptors don't worth the money. They are fast but not a significant increase in speed compared to Seagate 500GB 32MB or WD 640GB. Seagate 500GB and WD 640GB have about the same performance, just pick the best deal.

P.S. RAM brand thing is not really compatibility issue I'm concerned at this point, it's rather the country I live in.
-What does this mean? Where do you live?
July 8, 2008 2:35:39 PM

Almost forgotten :
CNPS9500 is an old design that was meant for procs before quads are on the market.
CNPS 9700 is a little loud on maximum rpm but has better performance than CNPS9500.
I have try to use Xigmatek HDT-S1283, this one is cheaper and more silent and has almost the same performance as CNPS9700. Why don't you choose this one.
July 8, 2008 5:16:17 PM

You are wasting your money on that Raptor. It is slower than the WD640GB drive. But suit yourself.

DDR2-800 RAM- you don't need 1066- it offers ZERO benefit until you raise the FSB over 400 (1600).
July 8, 2008 6:19:19 PM

Quote:
P.S. RAM brand thing is not really compatibility issue I'm concerned at this point, it's rather the country I live in.
-What does this mean? Where do you live?

Lithuania. I don't feel like ordering whole rig from the web, so I'm using local store services. And yeah, they got limited supplies (f.e. no EVGA, VisionTek, Mushkin).

Some changes due your comments:

HDD: WD6400AAKS 640GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler:
Kind of confused right now :)  You see, I'm buying the stuff from local store, and they seem to miss Xigmatek. Would it be ok if I leave cpu speed stock for a month (with stock cooling), then get Xigmatek HDT-S1283 from newegg, and then overclock?
More simple way is getting CNPS9700 though.

Does it seem to look allright now?

By the way, would be great if you could explain FSB thing a little bit. What are perspectives of effective overclocking with Q9300 and DDR2-800? There's what I think:
1. DDR2-800 needs no more than 400 FSB.
2. With 400 FSB Q9300 will have 400x7.5=3GHz.
3. At this point there will be FSB:Memory 1:1.
4. Later overclocking is just for CPU speed.

Do I really got that right?

Huge thanks :) 


July 8, 2008 7:48:16 PM

Q9300 is a poor overclocker. If you really want to o/c and cannot afford the Q9450 go to the 6600.

See 400FSB on the 6600 gives you 3.6. And the 6600 has more cache.
July 8, 2008 8:23:25 PM

Well, what's the Q9450 win over Q6600 in my case?
July 8, 2008 10:41:30 PM

If you have the money the 9450 runs cooler and overclocks better.

Q6600 works just fine also, if budget is a concern as the difference is over $100. $199ish vs $330
July 9, 2008 6:29:09 AM

Off Topic : Ach so! you are living in Lithuania. So you are in europe eh mate? how are the prices there? are they nuts, like here in germany?

Newegg doesn't ships outside USA, so you'll have to obtain your components not from newegg.

So you've done your math. I think it might works, but shadowduck is right and Q6600 at 3GHz (9x333) works stabil as hell, even on daily usage.
July 9, 2008 6:35:30 AM

+1 for the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 if you can find it
July 9, 2008 7:03:06 AM

Thank you for help, I feel a way better now ;) 

I still need your opinions about the final build:

Case: Antec 900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: Corsair 750TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: Asus P5E Deluxe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Q9450
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 rpm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: TWIN2X4096-6400C4DHX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: Asus HD4870, Asus is one of the cheaper in my place

Display: Samsung 226BW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooling stuff:

CPU Cooler: ZALMAN CNPS9700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thermal Compound: ZALMAN ZM-STG1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Well, and some thoughs:

One thing I fear is I might have problems with installing CNPS9700 on P5E Deluxe.
Kind of stupid question, but still: will it be possible to use Antec 900 front usb ports?
July 9, 2008 7:26:32 AM

Looks like every other freaking build on this forum.
July 9, 2008 10:27:03 AM

Quote:
Off Topic : Ach so! you are living in Lithuania. So you are in europe eh mate? how are the prices there? are they nuts, like here in germany?

Newegg doesn't ships outside USA, so you'll have to obtain your components not from newegg.

So you've done your math. I think it might works, but shadowduck is right and Q6600 at 3GHz (9x333) works stabil as hell, even on daily usage.


Offtopic as well:

Yeah, prices are kinda nuts indeed. It's ~270Euros (423$) for Q9450, ~230Euros (364$) for HD4870. Well, it could be worse though. ;) 
July 9, 2008 11:08:45 AM

um... consider a newer screen... There is a new 22" samsung that replaces the 226BW...
July 9, 2008 11:29:43 AM

Like 226CW? 2232BW?

226BW has awesome reviews/ratings though.
July 9, 2008 11:35:39 AM

wieslaw said:
Like 226CW? 2232BW?

226BW has awesome reviews/ratings though.



ya but it is old the newer versions are better
July 9, 2008 4:00:25 PM

wieslaw said:
By the way, is this memory ok for P5E Deluxe?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Corsair one seems to be out of stock at store, might never come.

It won't be a problem, but...can you afford better RAM, I mean with heatsink and all?
Those on your link is value RAM, don't get me wrong, it has a good quality but if you can still afford something better then go for one.
Hmmmm....since you are in lithuania, I guess you'll buy your components not from newegg.
Hmmm.....
Can you find patriot, or crucial ballistix? they are also good. or get Kingston HyperX series, not the one that you've chosen.
July 9, 2008 4:32:52 PM

Well, I could afford, but there's no much choice at the moment :( 
Do these RAM really need heatsink? Would it increase overall performance?
July 9, 2008 4:45:50 PM

Hmmm...Overall performance? not really. But RAM with heatsink tends to live longer, because it stays cooler.
You live in lithuania right? Care to buy things from germany, england or other countries near you? Perhaps, if you can't find any good RAM, you can try to buy only the RAM from one of the online stores from other countries that deliver to you.
July 9, 2008 5:23:06 PM

This is just my 2cents...

I am currently deciding on what I want to upgrade to, and my buddies and I have discussed this at lengths. I honestly believe that if you are building a true gaming computer, there is no need for a Quad core processor. First of all nothing supports it, and if you are thinking you are going to buy now for the future keep this in mind. 1-3 years from now when you plan on upgrading do you really think that the Q9450, Q9300, Q6600 will be worth a crap? They will prolly have 6x, or 8x processors out there that are not being supported by games and people will buy them. Now if you are into other things and programs that will support the Quad core, by all means get one. That would be a good purchase for the price. But if you are like me and alot of gammers you build your system to play games. Now lets say Quad cores are being utilized when you plan on upgrading...I can promise you that your current speed you are planning on purchasing now, will be on the low tier. My suggestion would be the Intel E8500. It overclocks very well and is only $229.00 at Newegg right now. The Q9300 is a 2.5gig vs. E8500 3.16 gig. Now I am sure some people will disagree with this philosophy but imo those are the ones playing for future systems that they do not get use to its fullest potential now. As far as the rest of your system goes I totally agree with all the advice given here. Once again this is kind of a personal choice but I just wanted you to see another side of the possiblity. In the end make sure you purchase what will make you happy for the next 2 years or so. Oh and once you make your purchase do not go back to Newegg or Pricewatch till its time to buid your new one to avoid becoming sick rofl =p happens to me after every build lol. I am just so dang happy I didnt purchase a GTX 280 two weeks ago! Oh one other thing...if you do go with the Quad core get at least the Q9450 so you can get that 12mb L2 cache, plus others have said it over clocks better with lower temps.
July 9, 2008 5:42:43 PM

Quote:
But RAM with heatsink tends to live longer, because it stays cooler.

Well, that kingston ram comes with lifetime warranty, so it should keep up at least those 2-3 years, till next upgrade :) 

JamietheDon, I actually thought about E8500. I don't know why I've sticked to Quad lately. Well, 4x3Ghz or even more is charming.
Main games I've planning to play is Diablo 3, Gothic 3. Mainly hack&slash, RPG, Action RPG. No cutting edge FPS there :) 

So once again I'm confused a little bit. And once again I'm changing my mind.
Would E8500 look allright along with rest of the build? And yeah, I guess I should go with ZALMAN 9500A then, right?

Thank you for assistance :) 
July 9, 2008 5:56:21 PM

Hmm...not 100% right.
New games do gain advantage from quad cores. Crysis, NFS pro street, and COD 4 are among them. I know, that the advantage attained is not significant, on stock speed.
Just OC 'em and you'll receive a powerfull multitasking and a gaming machine, not to mentioned those games which gain advantage from quads.
If you have a dual core than you'll get only a gaming machine even with OC.
Yes..quad will make you happy for the next 2 years, after 2 years, perhaps I am planning on getting a new proc (perhaps 8 cores, sorry not quad anymore), a new mobo, DDR5 perhaps, holodeck-like monitor etc. , and dump my current system.
Conclution : get quad if you can still afford 'em.

Q6600 is the value solution while Q9450 is the best solution, so it is your choice.

My Q6600 runs at 3.0GHz daily, hmmm...I haven't try to go higher, but I think it is still possible, since a friend of mine runs his Q6600 a 3.2 or 3.4 GHz. So you don't have to worry not being able to OC a Quad.
Why do I put my Q6600 @ 3.0GHz for daily use?
1. I don't even have to bother raising the Vcore, it stays the same as the original Vcore.
2. It is cool enough (max 51'C with Zalman CNPS9700 at 80% rpm, 20'C room temp)
3. On 3.0GHz (9x333MHz) is a Q6600 stabil as hell.

GTX260 and GTX280 are good and powerfull but have less value/performance index than those HD48x0 series. Get real! 2 HD4850s on Xfire are cheaper than 1 GTX280. So..I don't recommend anyone getting GTXs for this moment, but who knows when the their prices go down a lot.
July 9, 2008 6:00:48 PM

Oh yeah...forgotten to be mentioned.
You can also OC your RAM, but this possible only by using RAM with heatsink.
I have try to set my Mushkin DDR2 800 to 1001, that is why I write on my system configuration Mushkin 2x2GB DDR2 1000.
But to achieve the best stabilty I have set my RAM to 667 to go along with 9x333MHz Q6600.
July 9, 2008 6:06:06 PM

wieslaw said:
Quote:

Main games I've planning to play is Diablo 3, Gothic 3. Mainly hack&slash, RPG, Action RPG. No cutting edge FPS there :) 
Quote:

I love also one of those hack and slash! I play all the Dynasty Warriors Series, and Samurai Warriors series on PS2.
I don't know if this kind of game is also exist on PC. Can you tell me at least a title (but not online games, please)?
Thank you.
July 9, 2008 7:28:05 PM

It was mainly Diablo series :)  And yeah, there's Devil May Cry (3: Dante's awakening lately). I guess it's available on PS2, as well there's PC version. Action hack&slash, pure brute action.

I'll see, if the store I'm buying from will have Q9450 at the time, I get it, otherwise I'll get the E8500. I don't think there's a lot of difference. One is a little better on gaming, another one on multitasking. Anyway, both of those CPU will suit my needs, for sure :)  As I said, I'm not going to play Crysis, or COD4. Well, at least not on the MAX settings.
July 10, 2008 6:17:01 AM

If you have decided to buy dual core. Choose E8400 rather than E8500. OC your E8400.
It is your choice, altough My fav is Q6600.
July 10, 2008 7:25:30 PM

I guess I've made the choice. I'll take Q6600. It will last those 2-3 years gaming on desirable level, and quad core would make nice multitasking machine, therefore more fluent overall vista performance.

By the way, would that build work good on XP 32bit?
July 10, 2008 7:35:52 PM

Vista 32bit? Are you kidding? XP? XP works fine even with my old PIII 800eb with only 256MB SDRAM, and GeForce FX5200. KnockKnock!! Haloooooo!!!
If you are worry bout the drivers, well right now, the new hardwares are still working under xp, and it will be so for the next 2 years. By then get a new OS.
July 10, 2008 9:06:42 PM

I've meant driver issues ;)  And RAM thing. I guess whole 4GB will not be supported there, will it?
July 11, 2008 5:54:15 AM

You still gain advantage using a 32bit OS and 4GB RAM, since it will still use up to 3.3GB RAM. But 2GB is the most efficient in using a 32bit OS.
The word is ''EFFICIENT'' not ''SUPPORTED or NOT SUPPORTED''.
Sometime you can find a deal for 2x2GB only 10-20USD more expensive than 2x1GB (like my RAM), so...even if you are using 32bit OS, well..this is still a very good deal.
Beside, XP32bit? Care to migrate to 64bit OS sometime near in the future? 32bit XP is kinda old you know? Altough it is still good enough.
July 11, 2008 5:58:17 AM

Oh yeah...bout those driver.
I use my system using 2 OS.
My old 32bit XP and 64bit VISTA Business. No Problem at all.
I prefer to use VISTA but I use XP more often because I can do everything faster with xp, because you know? I use XP since more than 5 years ago...I kinda get use to it and having everything memorized, while VISTA is new and I have much to learn bout VISTA.
July 11, 2008 6:28:34 AM

Well, let's say I want full 4GB (expandable to 8GB) support. So my way would be 64bit. Is there anything I should know about it? What's the main difference in gaming performance between 32bit and 64bit? Are there (64bit) any software support issues (I want Apache server running), or any other purpose why should I pick 32bit instead?

Thanks for helping me out. :) 
July 11, 2008 7:15:37 AM

Ok dude here's what u get....

Q6600.

Corsair Dominator RAM. u only need 4GB.
Make sure u have vista 64bit ultimate for the RAM! If u wana OC the CPU u need good RAM and this will give you some good potential... Otherwise go for OCZ REAPER CL4. Just amke sure it works on the mobo!

Case: Get the Thermaltake ARMOR+ full case. Has awesome fans and more than enough space! Its really cool looking too! Just frigin huge! but thats good right? lol! :p 

HDD: Get 2 WD caviars 300GB each or whatever ammount of space u need and out them in a RAID 1 or 0 configuration. It's way faster than one Raptor and even veloci raptor and alot cheaper....

A great cooler is the Thermalright Ultra Extreme black ed. it's just a bit pricy... I'd say go for the X1283 from Xigmatek...

My personal choice on Mobo would be the GA-X48-DS4... But u gt a good one there!

Hope this helps a bit! Have fun with this baby!
!