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July 27, 2008 7:00:54 PM

Does any1 know yet the price it will be yet?
Im in the UK im planin on buying a 4870 for about £170 but may wait if the X2 is only goin 2 be about £100 more

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a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2008 7:13:24 PM

In america its supposed to be 450 to 550... probably 450 b/c the gtx 280 can be had for as little as 420...

in the UK that's about 230 to 270 pounds right?

so I think your good with waiting
July 27, 2008 7:25:11 PM

4870X2 rumored price 499$ , it has the same price as GTX280 when it arrives
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July 27, 2008 7:58:39 PM

Still thinking it will be closer to $450. At $450 it will clean many systems of lingering Nvidia products.
July 27, 2008 8:24:58 PM

if it is around 250 dats incredible

Go ATi all my years of supportin u is finaly payin off
July 27, 2008 8:29:08 PM

fallen2004 said:
if it is around 250 dats incredible



42% more than normal price HD4870

No chance.

More like £350


Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2008 8:37:32 PM

the whole point of the 4870 X2 is to cut back on the costs of production...

dos if it sold @ that price point no one would buy it... ATI isn't price stupid like nvidia
July 27, 2008 8:42:04 PM

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dos if it sold @ that price point no one would buy it... ATI isn't price stupid like nvidia


Oh but they are, 3870x2 sold at launch for €400, yet 3870 could be had for less than €200.

Ati are in it to make money too.

July 28, 2008 12:06:33 AM

£300 is the break point for the UK, including delivery.

Above this = fail on release.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2008 12:16:14 AM

and same in america.... even the 8800 gtx when it first started was at about 550....

anything higher than 600 doesn't get enough sales
July 28, 2008 6:15:52 AM

i expect it to be £300 approx in uk , given that the 4870 1gb is £230 on pre-order atm in a few stores and the card is essentially two of these i cant see it being any cheaper. thats where the cost is , 2gb of ddr5 ram isnt cheap!.
July 28, 2008 7:29:31 AM

Typically when converting dollars to pounds for computer parts, you're best assuming the exchange rate is 1.5, not 2 like reality.

When the 280 was launched at around $650, it was £450, not the £325 you'd hope for if retailers used the real exchange rate.

So if it's going to be between $450 and $550 in the land of the fat, expect it to be £300 to £350 over here.
July 28, 2008 7:42:09 AM

if its near £300 or above i wont be buying, im too poor :( 
July 28, 2008 10:18:57 AM

rumored price is 550 - 600$

more expensive than GTX280.

ATI is in a freefall
July 28, 2008 12:41:19 PM

i no 2 4850's are faster than a single 4870, bt that would mean geting a x38 or x48 mobo where im planing on buying a p45 (and the x8 in crossfire would throttle them) as they are alot cheaper so getin 2x 4850 would be quite alot more expensive
Bt stil from what ive seen of the 4870 it is amazin anyway and the screen ive got only has a resolution of 1680x1050 so it should be powerful enough for at least a year hopefully 2 2 keep settings near high
July 28, 2008 5:09:22 PM

Well, before their release, speculation and hints from AMD hinted at the 4850 being $175-200US, and the 4870 being $250-280US. Since then, we saw them take the upper end for the 4850, and actually go HIGHER than the suggested range for the 4870... But even then, they still crushed nVidia on the price-performance scale. Given how the 4870X2 is on performance, and how nothing from nVidia in the next 6-8 months is even going to be able to ever hope to challenge it, very reasonably they could get away with a full $600US asking price, without a noticeable drop in sales volume as compared to what they might get with prices as low as $500US. More budget-conscious gamers are just going to go for a 4850 or 4870 anyway, as they alone provide overkill performance for almost everything, (particularly at the resolutions some 97% of us use, being 1680x1050 or lower...) so AMD doesn't have to worry about getting anything other than those with money burning a hole in their pockets.
concrum said:
ATI is in a freefall

If by "freefall," you mean "running headlong at breakneck speed as they rack up massive amounts of sales and profits while making nVidia bleed market share like crazy," then you'd be correct.

Since the 4870X2 utterly spanks the GTX 280 across the board, (after all, the plain 4870 bested the GTX 260, and threatened the GTX 280, so it's no surprise what you get with two of 'em) If the GTX 280 remains at $450US, then AMD could price the card at $600US and STILL win on the price/performance standpoint against that card, even coming close to the price-performance level of the mainstream-level cards, and above all, have an indisputable claim to the crown for the fastest single card on the planet. It's like a dream combination: for like the first time since 2002, the utterly fastest card in the world would actually be solid on the price-performance competition.
August 5, 2008 4:12:46 AM

Well, my question then is.....Why is ATI loosing its CEo? Why are they in such turmoil that they would change thier chief executive officer? WHen business is good...usually the chief stays in the drivers seat.

ATI/AMD is being hit hard by Intels competition with regards to CPUs, and in turn affecting their laptop and desktop sales. They are hurting, maybe not as bad as people are saying, but really...who wants a phenom...not me, when a great quad Q6600 is only 199USD.

THe price has to be a minimum of $550, considering a 4870 is $280 without tax and shipping on newegg.com. What about the cost of incorporating the PLX communication chip? That is new technology, and GOOD technology is not cheap. Also, I am waiting fot Asus' TOP card, that is going to be more expensive.
August 5, 2008 5:41:03 AM

ATI is definitely not if free fall. I think they're doing pretty damn good at the moment.

AMD division, however, is getting a major beat down from Intel.
August 5, 2008 7:00:38 AM

The reason they're getting rid of their CEO, is because they are getting beat down in the CPU market. They've been trying to get rid of him for some time now, and there have been many reports from experts in the field that have said they needed to get rid of him in order to make a comeback.
August 5, 2008 9:05:43 AM

Looking like £350 in the UK - rip off.
August 5, 2008 9:16:30 AM

nottheking said:
If by "freefall," you mean "running headlong at breakneck speed as they rack up massive amounts of sales and profits while making nVidia bleed market share like crazy," then you'd be correct.


:lol: 

agreed.
say the 4870X2 is $550. it still eats the 280 alive and the 280 is only (roughly) 50 dollars less. and when the 280 came out it was approximately 15 million dollars overpriced. typical nvidia. i can't wait till i get rid of my nvidia card. it's a waste of space in my case.
August 5, 2008 4:07:34 PM

If the 4870X2 is cheaper than 2 4870s... Noone will buy crossfire mobos.

I agree that it should be cheaper than 2 4870s, since its less material. But how will they justify crossfire setups, if the the 4870X2 is faster and cheaper? I expect the 4870x2 will cost roughly 2 times the 4870, plus about $50 for good measure.
August 5, 2008 5:59:05 PM

hixbot said:
If the 4870X2 is cheaper than 2 4870s... Noone will buy crossfire mobos

They could just price drop the 4870. . . it does happen.
August 6, 2008 7:53:13 AM

descendency said:
They could just price drop the 4870. . . it does happen.


... When there is competition... No, not until Nvidia gets it 55nm 280 out.

August 6, 2008 8:13:38 AM

hannibal said:
... When there is competition... No, not until Nvidia gets it 55nm 280 out.


they could be competing with themselves. if 4870s are really cheap at release then they won't sell many 4870X2s. after a little bit the 4870's prices will probably drop. after 4870X2s are being sold.

yeah?
August 6, 2008 10:05:38 AM

I second that the 4870x2 will be marginally more expensive then 2x4870's

Why?
4870 CF vs 4870x2
x2 Req no Crossfire Mobo
x2 Only requires 2 8x/16x for Tri/QuadFire
x2 Has 1Gb GDDR5 PER GPU vs 512
x2 Has better scaling then CF (to be confirmed.)
x2 Has reduced microstuttering vs CF (according to some previews)
x2 Req Less Power then 2x 4870
x2 is so much simpler to install...

Anything else to add tothe list?
I would not be surprised if it debuted at $600-$650 in US and £340-380 here in the uk.
Which would make sense since it's using twice as much GDDR5 as 2 4870's...
And again it fits in that price bracket given how much it will outperform a single gtx 280
August 6, 2008 11:59:12 AM

Precisely shaundwm, it will be slightly more expensive because it will be a more convenient and slightly better product. Even though clearly it will be cheaper to produce one X2 than 2 4870s.

They simply must charge more, or noone would be interested in in 2 4870s.

I'd say that it would still be more expensive than 2x 4870 1gb.
August 6, 2008 12:52:54 PM

Why the X2 should be cheaper.

- lower production costs (additional RAM aside)
- lower packaging costs
- lower shipping costs
- lower distribution costs
- lower retail costs
- lower service costs (returns, RMAs etc)
- kicking Nvidia's pricing model lower

They need to start thinking of ways to incentivise the mass market into multi GPU solutions, and the top end, with cost savings, is the place to start. ATI took a great leap forward with their pricing / performance model with the single GPU cards - they should now evolve it with the multi GPUs.
August 6, 2008 1:28:16 PM

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ati is losing it's CEO? do you mean hector ruiz? he is AMD's CEO and ati's only in name, nothing more, personally ATI will stay as ATI for many and it's stupid(yes you are stupid) to try to use the guy in chrge of AMD leaving as a reflection of the largely seperate entity that is ATI to score some fanboyish points.


Strangestranger...read this... http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9741630-7.html

Do you know what Acquisition means? OH yeah, nice rig...you can't even handle a 4870X2.


The 4870X2 is out fellas, starting price in Austria listed at "just under €400, which officially translates to $600. We get shortchanged in €uroland, so it’s unofficially $550 in the US or sumfink."

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/05/...



August 6, 2008 2:07:32 PM

WOOT! where can i preroder!??! i check newegg, ncix, tigerdirect, no luck!
August 6, 2008 4:27:16 PM

I heard $500
August 6, 2008 7:29:29 PM

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prices for $ are never direct translations, in europe and in the UK especially we pay more so it will be alot less than $670.

Not to mention its 7 days before it's official release ,
the gtx 280 was selling for 900$ on one of those crazy websites a few days before its release as well.
August 6, 2008 9:28:00 PM

@strangerstrager
your X2 4400+ might bottleneck it but you could always upgrade that to a better AMD dual core for around 100 dollars. or just overclock. but it probably wouldn't matter.


@texasreefer :lol: 
August 6, 2008 9:51:30 PM

texasreefer said:
Strangestranger...read this... http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9741630-7.html

Do you know what Acquisition means? OH yeah, nice rig...you can't even handle a 4870X2.


The 4870X2 is out fellas, starting price in Austria listed at "just under €400, which officially translates to $600. We get shortchanged in €uroland, so it’s unofficially $550 in the US or sumfink."

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/05/...


A great example of why forums need moderators.
August 6, 2008 9:52:20 PM

Well, guys look at it..
Taking into account my previous point about the 4870x2..
It's going to be much faster then the GTX280 (much bigger margin then if you remember 3870x2 vs 8800 GTX)
Taking into account the costs etc, it's sensible to assume it will be priced between $550-$650, more then the GTX 280 simply because it is a better card (guys the debate of GTX 280 vs 4870x2 is dead... simple as).

Now the more interesting product will be the 4850x2, 2x 4850's in crossfire can be seen to outperform the GTX 280 in a number of titles, of course it loses in others, this card will have a much closer performance to the GTX 280 compared to the 4870x2 and would be sensivle to assume that that card will be priced at round 400-450 USD (about what the GTX 280 is selling for now).

ATI already made an explosive price point when they first introduced the 4000 series, I very much doubt there will be a repeat with the x2 cards, although we can all hope...

Either way we are in for a very exciting few months coming, sit back and enjoy :) 
a c 86 U Graphics card
August 6, 2008 10:34:22 PM

^^ yeah, and they really shouldn't sell them too cheap because they sure could use some cash right about now.
August 6, 2008 10:52:28 PM


The point I was trying to make is that AMD and ATI are the same entity...
August 6, 2008 11:14:08 PM

texasreefer said:
The point I was trying to make is that AMD and ATI are the same entity...


that's like saying the FBI and the CIA are the same entity.
but yeah you have a point it's similar to HP/compaq i suppose.
but really the CEO stepping down doesn't have to be negative.


so the 4870X2 is going to obviously be more expensive than 2 4870s
the 4850X2 would also be more expensive than 2 4850s.

the 4870 is probably worth the extra cost, but
would the 4850X2 be worth it?
there still will be scaling problems in games as if you have 2 4850s in crossfire, am i correct?
August 6, 2008 11:17:52 PM

The 4870X2 would leave the option open to triple-crossfire and/or Quad-crossfire.
August 7, 2008 4:03:26 PM

shaundwm said:
Well, guys look at it..
Taking into account my previous point about the 4870x2..
It's going to be much faster then the GTX280 (much bigger margin then if you remember 3870x2 vs 8800 GTX)
Taking into account the costs etc, it's sensible to assume it will be priced between $550-$650, more then the GTX 280 simply because it is a better card (guys the debate of GTX 280 vs 4870x2 is dead... simple as).

Now the more interesting product will be the 4850x2, 2x 4850's in crossfire can be seen to outperform the GTX 280 in a number of titles, of course it loses in others, this card will have a much closer performance to the GTX 280 compared to the 4870x2 and would be sensivle to assume that that card will be priced at round 400-450 USD (about what the GTX 280 is selling for now).

ATI already made an explosive price point when they first introduced the 4000 series, I very much doubt there will be a repeat with the x2 cards, although we can all hope...

Either way we are in for a very exciting few months coming, sit back and enjoy :) 



Lets get this straight people are comparing dual gpu's to a single gpu how will a single core 4870 or 9800 do v a gtx280 all at stock. i agree best bang for buck would be the 4870 X 2 but if money is not a problem i would go for 2 x GTX280's .all reviews i have read on the 4870's and gtx280's some are bias in fact i would say prob 90% of them are bias either from ATI freaks or Nvidia freaks but the reviews do give you some insight in to wot card is best for you also it takes ATI a x2 card to beat a X1 card that says something about Nvidia also its a well known fact that sli and Xfire both have their problems so u can't realy say Xfire is better than sli or the other way round because niether comapany has fixed it yet. its a viscious circle that the GPU's are in Nvidia produces a kik @$$ card ATI competes with another so Nvidia then produces another and so on the card you think is the best is only the best for aprox 6 month at the most because another card will be out to whoop it
August 7, 2008 5:52:47 PM

I have run crossfire now for 3 yrs...first, with two 1950s and now, with two 3870s...

I have never had problems with drivers except for guess what game CRYSIS. But, even with Crysis I have always been able to run it on High (with XP, DRX 9) and now on Very High (Vista 32, DRX10.1) at 1920 X1080 res. THe catalyst driver must be in Advanced mode (to enable super-tiling), and triple-buffering and V-sync also enabled. NO AA or AF...and patch 1.1 not 1.2.1. Those cards were 199 dollars a piece, I'd say that's worth it.

And we all know that the major improvements with the New 4000 series is the improvement of Crossfire with the PLX chip, and almost Tripling the Stream Processors and Texture units, and 2GBs of RAM. Imagine if they increased the BUS width over 256bits (for each processor).

ATi has invested more Time and Money in Multi-processors and that's why their flagship card is a Dual-Processor. But, that is also to compete with NVidias Tri-SLI because ATI itself does not really support its 3rd PCI-E slot (with the downfall of TriplePlay Physics) and there aren't many X38 or P35 chipset boards with a 3rd PCI-e. So this is ATIs way of being able to Triple Crossfire.

GTX280 is a great card, I amlost switched when it came out...but 700 dollars for EVGAs OC is just Crazy. To me its like the XBOX putting out a NONHD drive and then making you buy a HD drive later. Sure, you can get the gtx280 NOW for 400 bucks.

ATIs way works out better for the consumer in many ways because they give you more solutions...you can get the 4870, then later you can crossfire two.

Or you can get a 4870X2...and later Tri- or Quad- Crossfire.
August 7, 2008 8:09:16 PM

Yesir...that is correct. my mistake...

I had sent an email to the reviewers at driverheaven after reading the 4870X2 review, and asked them about crysis and if they thought is was an unfair/bias benchmark (ATI/NVidia)...he (one of the three reviewers) said that he didn't think so...he said this as part of the response...

"As for Crysis. The first thing that is worth saying is that AF should really never be forced for this game. Doing so actually disables the games parallax occlusion mapping, something which Crytek want the end user to use. So that rules that option out. In terms of anti-aliasing, the higher the resolution you use the less need there is for AA as jagged edges are not as harsh. There will always be benefits to turning on AA, even at 1920x1200 and above but the main thing is to use a setting which you feel comfortable with. It sounds like you have found your ideal level, even if you don't like the game so well done on that front.

Finally, as you mentioned Crysis is a "The Way It Is Meant To Be Played" game, generally this means that on release day Nvidia have more optimised drivers than ATI but within a week or so ATI are usually up to speed and as a result it is currently not a biased test. Something which would help everyone though is ATI/AMD putting more money into developer relations in order to get game code as early as possible and as a result have drivers which have a higher level of optimisation when games are launched."

--
Stuart Davidson
Hardware Editor
Heaven Media Group
www.driverheaven.net

I also asked him about the PhysX AEGIA card that was used in the review.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=588&pageid=1


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