Hey guys,
Ive been working on turning an A/C unit into a phase change lately and it been going along pretty nicely.
Go here if you want to see pics of it so far (if you havnt seen the already)
http://img33.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=1000744b.jpg
And i noticed after i cut off the evaporator it could possibly be turned into a heatsink for air cooling (because i love air cooling and dont like water to much)
In your traditional heatsinks you have heatpipes that have some kind of liquid in them that cunducts heat. The evaporator from the A/C looks like this...
So i though ok... lets make a giant heat sink with giant heatpipes and LOTS of them. What do you guys think? I was planning on doing something like this
I was hoping the water vapor would push the water through the system
Of course i wouldnt use water but some other liquid with a lower boiling point.
Click fora larger image.
So, what do you guys think?
would this work?
Any better ideas for it?
This way i can say that i got to 5.2GHz on air LOL!

I was thinking about filling it with ether because its boiling point is ~30C

What are you going to do about condensation?
there wont be any condensation.... its just a heatsink ( =

I've tried running water through a very similar pump (from a dehumidifier) in the past, it ran fine first day, left it off for a few days, when I came back it was rusted internally which jammed it. I believe there is some sort of oil that resides in the pump which was washed out by the liquid. Don't run water through that pump (I know you said you would not). Also water would not vaporize like you would want for proper cooling. I'm not sure which water-like liquid would vaporize properly, without removing the oil from the pump.
You could try liquid propane if you have the ability to get it properly pressurized/filled. That is very similar to the coolant used for AC units, of course if you could get your hands on chlorodifluoromethane that would be best, (just don't let it leak, it is really bad for the enviornment).
If you do use coolant (propane or chlorodifluoromethane) condensation will be an issue as you will drop the temperature of the heatsink below air temperature.
Edit: Actually the pump you are using is exactly the same one I mentioned using.
| dzeric wrote : I've tried running water through a very similar pump (from a dehumidifier) in the past, it ran fine first day, left it off for a few days, when I came back it was rusted internally which jammed it. I believe there is some sort of oil that resides in the pump which was washed out by the liquid. Don't run water through that pump (I know you said you would not). Also water would not vaporize like you would want for proper cooling. I'm not sure which water-like liquid would, and would not remove the oil from the pump.
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I am going to use propane in the phase change but i am going to use ether in the heatsink that i am making..
And its a compressor in the phase change, dont worry about that i already have the phase change all planned out, my questions are about the heatsink im making
Maybe you guys dont get it, the heatsink that i am making is totally seperate from my phase change... sorry if you misunderstood

Why don't you just use that heat exchanger what it was meant for. 134a refrigerant. Just get something so it would not condensate like puddy. And if you want you can add a fan and also cool yourself when it's hot out. ![]()
But if you really wanted to cool it down you could buy r12 from ebay. ![]()
You might have to go to the auto store and get some A/C lines or go to the junk yard.

yeah, but all those things arnt a liquid until thyr under pressure and i need something that doesnt need a compressor...
So i was going to go with ether.

This thing is going to be exactly like a GIANT heatsink

you could use the compressor from the A/C. Just make sure to plug it in a different wall socket line.

| blackpanther26 wrote : you could use the compressor from the A/C. Just make sure to plug it in a different wall socket line. |
LOL, maybe you dont understand
I bought an A/C unit for making a phase change, with the phase change ia am going to use the compressor and the condensor... but i cut off the evaporator because i didnt need that for my phase change..
So now i have this evaporator laying around and i am looking to turn it into just a regular heatsink

What are you going to use for the copper block? Are you going to take it from an old heatsink or make your own? There is going to be some welding involved. If you can get a decent block with good welding to attach it to the unconventional copper pipes, I think it would work. You should attach like 4 X 120mm fans on it. That would be crazy!
Edit: I looked at the picture again, you could probably fit like 6 X 120mm fans.
| ragsters wrote : What are you going to use for the copper block? Are you going to take it from an old heatsink or make your own? There is going to be some welding involved. If you can get a decent block with good welding to attach it to the unconventional copper pipes, I think it would work. You should attach like 4 X 120mm fans on it. That would be crazy!
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Yeah, thats what i was planning 6x120mm fans, i think it would fit perfect.
And that is my main problem right now, i dont know what to use as copper block for this... cuz it needs to fit 20 heatpipes (=
I would make my own, and am comfortable if it takes a little welding.
Any ideas for a block would be MUCH appreciated, and it need to be hollow as you can see.
And thanks for the post, you are the first person who really gets my plan (=

I just had a pretty good idea, how about 2 copper endcaps that i weld together to make the copper block???
It seems perfect!

I changed the design a bit, so now each heatpipe will have its own pipe through the evaporator/radiator
What do you guys think???
Click on it for a larger image (=

Here is my design for the copper block that sits on the cpu
All of the heatpipes would connect to this, What do you think?

lol. I thought you ment you did not want to do that. But hey you have your own little A/C unit to cool your CPU maybe even your GPU. But any ways this looks cool show us some pics of each of the steps you take to build this.

| blackpanther26 wrote : lol. I thought you ment you did not want to do that. But hey you have your own little A/C unit to cool your CPU maybe even your GPU. But any ways this looks cool show us some pics of each of the steps you take to build this. |
Yeah. the a/c comes with 2 grills like that and i need one of them for the phase change but the other one i can use for this heatsink...
and yes ill definetly keep you updated.

Unlike your CM Centurion 590, the CM 690 has a second fan grill in the bottom panel, in addition to the one directly below the PSU:
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Why not punch a hole in your floor, directly below
that fan grill, and bring air-conditioned cold air
directly into the chassis?
That approach will save you a ton of work
getting this huge radiator hooked up and working.
A proper floor register e.g. sheet metal, could be connected
to a standard duct e.g. for a household clothes dryer:
the duct would direct the cold air straight into that
bottom fan grill.
MRFS
I'm not using the 590, im using my haf. But that still wouldnt work because of condensation.
i.e the inside temp is colder than the outside temp.
But still i would rather make a phase change out of it because..
My phase change will reach -40 to-50c much colder than just an ac
Much better than just hooking an ac up to my computer

hey overshocked, im going to class right now, but when i get home ill bust out my thermo and heat transfer books and find a a liquid that will work well (right boiling point at a pretty low pressure, and a high enthalpy). you have an email i can send you some stuff at so i dont have to post it all?
WOW, THANKS...
I would really appreciate it.
I will pm you with my email.
I was thinking about methane because it has a relatively low boiling point with a high conductiveity.

| overshocked wrote : any ideas? |
Yeh, I have an idea: Use water. Specifically, water vapor at low pressure. Water can boil at nearly any temperature if the pressure is right, and it absorbs a great amount of energy going from liquid to gas.
So, do a little research and you'll find the pressure you need.
Yeah, crashman... i was thinkinga about that.
But the problem is that i would need to drop the pressure to about 1.5 (the atmosphere is 16) for the water to boil at a sufficient temperature.
wich means that i would need to use a vacuum pump and create a vacuum to 1.5psi wich would be tuff.
but the harder part is, i can sustain that vacuum while putting the water in.

| overshocked wrote : Yeah, crashman... i was thinkinga about that.
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Here's an idea: Heat it up! When it cools the volume of air will decrease, creating negative pressure compared to the atmosphere.
Woah, did ez get banned?
I think i will juat use propan as a coolant, or maybe r134a

| overshocked wrote : Woah, did ez get banned?
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EZ who?
R134A would probably work, but I'm still thinking about how well it might work to heat the entire assembly up to boiling, add a specific amount of boiling-hot water, then cap it and let it cool.
| Crashman wrote : EZ who?
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Yeah, i dont really want to take the risk of it not working and i have a shitload of propane so i think i will use that.
On another not my phase change is almost done...WOOT!

| overshocked wrote : Yeah, i dont really want to take the risk of it not working and i have a shitload of propane so i think i will use that.
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An angle you might not have thought of: As temperatures rise, pressure rises. That means the boiling point of whatever you put in there will continuously increase as temperatures increase, that is, unless you have an expandable vessel to allow a volume increase.
^ i have definetly not thought about that.
I hope beyond all hopes that it will cool fast enough that there wont be much of an increase in pressure.
If it does increase it should only be by 1-2psi wich wont make a terrific difference.

Im also going to test and see how different amounts of propan will affect the cooling performance of it.
This will be a great air cooler.

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