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I want to get a water cooling kit for my E5200 @ 3.4Ghz, I want to get it to 4.0Ghz and with water. I'm in Canada so its cheaper to buy from my local computer stores. There are two water cooling kits, I bet they're rubbish but here they are. Any good? My motherboard is the ASUS P5QL Pro.

1. Coolit A.L.C DM-1000 Domino Water Cooling System
2. Coolit WC-1000 Pure 1C

Thanks

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...waiting for conundrum to respond... he will answer any ? about water cooling (=


Message edited by overshocked on 07-21-2009 at 06:14:43 AM
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Reply to overshocked

+1. True that :lol:

Go Conundrum!!

Reply to AKM880

LOL

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Reply to overshocked

There are a lot of reviews about the Domino... i saw one where the guy bought it, cut it open with a dremel and exposed the inner workings... which sadly were mostly corroded.

From what i understand, the Domino works pretty well, but is finicky and is cheaply made, so you have to be careful.

*shrug*

Reply to Kithzaru

Had a domino and it worked fairly well on my 4Ghz I7 920. Aslong as you have a good case with excellent airflow it will work well.

If you buy it. PM me and i'll show you how to modify it for better performance.


Message edited by PsychoSaysDie on 07-21-2009 at 11:40:35 PM
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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Thanks, so if I do get it I'll be able to overclock my E5200 higher by upping the voltage? I want to get it to 4.2Ghz or so. I'm planning to use a Antec 300 or a Coolermaster Elite 335.

Reply to N890

lol. Since Conumdrum is probably busy...., I'll do the honors of this:

Conumdrum wrote :

I'll just snip the whole thing, I just redid parts of it.

Us guys have done the WC thing, there are basics you gotta know. Take a look, don't take it as a diss on you or a rebuttal, look at as a friend saying "Dude, you gotta know what to say and how to communicate".
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CPU HS $65
GPU HS and air HS for vram and mosfets $95, full cover block, $100-$200
Radiator $60 min, up to $130
Pump $50 +
Resiviour $25
Hose, some barbs and clamps etc (min $25, more like $35)
Fans $15-30

I went top notch and spent close to $600 to cool my CPU and GPU.
First you gotta learn about WC. It's not like walking into Best Buy.
Spend a while (weeks is best for your sanity) at these links.
Look at the hundreds of loops close to your case and components in the stickies, read a couple 50 or so threads over the next week or so, you'll be on the ball to make the right choices and by then know how to put it together.
Not 'Roket Sience', but basic knowledge is required.
And you should spend a few hours on the listed sites reading threads. It's how we learn. Once the goodies show up on your doorstep your on your own.
For your benefit please spend a few days reading a LOT. At the busiest places for WC masters. Guys who have done it for YEARS at OC Forums and xtreme forums. It took me a while (I was OCing on air, aftermarket stuff, bios settings, best chipsets etc etc) to learn the language and the tricks to a easy install.

Don't expect miracles or SUPER DOOPER over clocks. What you will get is a quiet system that can handle OC to the max of your hardware IF you buy quality and buy smart. And minor maintenance too, a bonus for the water cooler.

Also while there please read on case mods etc. The radiators are not for small cases, pumps and hose routing, wire management and other things are important. Google your planned case and the word water-cooled in one line. You might get lucky.
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Edit: The next paragraph was from 2008. With the advent of the HOT i7 and bigger GPU's, it has changed. A 220 size MIN rad for an i7, you want big overclocks, better go 320 sized rad.
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IF you just cool your CPU and your NB if you want, you can get by with a 120.2 sized radiator (RAD). And MAYBE fit in inside depending on your mod skillz. You want to cool your GPU too, you'll need a 120.3 sized rad, and it probably won't fit inside. The rear external rad really works great. No matter what your adding 10lbs to your PC.

Once you got an idea of what is good/bad then start getting your system for WC put together and we'll be glad to help.
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Here is the poop on solid info on air/water temps. The link is to an MCR320.
http://martin.skinneelabs.com/Swifte...20-Review.html
Scroll half way down and you can see the in/out air diff on the chart. It depends, like I said on fannage what the out air temp vs. the in temp is.

You can also see the water in/out is very close in temps. No more than 1.5 C. Amazing eh? I thought so too once I deciphered the charts.

So if you put a second rad with good airflow, you still get good results. Fannage needs to be higher to compensate for the increased air restriction. Meaning double fans on the rad setup, but it's a viable solution.

Equilibrium (tough word) means with a set heat load (idle/load) after an amount of time temps in a WC loop will stabilize. The heat load is the same, ambient air is the same, fannage is the same, pumps are the same, size of rads are the same, temps will stabilize for those conditions. Any of these parameters change, it has to stabilize. …………………………………………………………
Cleaning a loop, not a new loop: I do this once a year, I drain and refill at 6 months, the next time I do this……..
Wash hands very well, getting rid of hand oils.
For pumps and blocks, fittings, clamps, acrylic res/block parts.... not hose, tear it to smallest pieces, put in a bowl, heat water up not to boiling add 10% vinegar, when hot, pour over parts. Rinse in 10 min or so. Put aside.
The bocks will probably have some black oxidation. Take the copper parts out of the pile of parts you took out of the water. Dry well and pour ketchup on them, and set aside. Only the copper parts need this.
Rad cleaning: fill with very almost boiling hot water. Let sit 10 minutes, drain half out and shake for 5 min. Repeat till liquid is clean.
All the pump, block, fittings, and clamps, inspect, get in the tiniest corners with a tooth brush. Kind of meditative, time consuming, you learn a lot about o-ring size, how it all feels. Run a rag using a caat hanger and dish soap through the tubing, rinse well.
Rinse all the parts and hose with distilled, dry then really dry with an air compressor (nice extra step to get rid of water spots). Don’t need to dry the inside of the hose.
Now on to the copper parts, they should have been soaking an hour or two. A toothbrush and ketchup should clean much of the oxidation. It probably won’t be like new, but pretty darn good. Rinse, dry, and blow the parts.
That’s it.
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Benching software and such is very varied. I use these for each purpose:
These are pretty standard and used by many.
Monitoring the PC temps overall: HWmonitor aka hardware monitor
CPUZ for CPU info
GPUZ for GPU info
CPU only: RealTemp
GPU only: ATI Tool, I have a Nivida GTX280, so it works on Nvidia

Loading/benching tools:
CPU loaders: Prime95 and OCCT
GPU Loaders: ATI Tool and the best one is Furmark, nothing pushes the GPU harder right now.
Benching for overall graphics/gaming performance is 3DMark06
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Guides
http://forums.extremeoverclocking. [...] p?t=282232 Pretty up to date info and buying guide
http://gilgameshreviews.com/index. [...] s&catid=40:overclocking-and-cooling&Itemid=86 Another good guide
http://forums.extremeoverclocking. [...] p?t=312743 What to do once all the stuff is in the door

Forums
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php? Not a noob site, but great stickies
http://www.ocforums.com/ My fav, good peeps, know their stuff, less hardcore
http://www.over-clock.com/ivb/inde [...] opic=20277 A GREAT Europe site
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/ Decent site

Tests on equipment, not reviews, truly scientific tests
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] n&ie=UTF-8 Info on rad testing
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] p?t=220593 More rad testing
http://skinneelabs.com/ Host for Martins lab and some newer tests
http://www.skinneelabs.com/MartinsLiquidLab/ Test results, very technical


Stores
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/
http://www.performance-pcs.com


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@OP: If you are really serious about Watercooling, DO NOT get the Domino. It's pretty cheap and a good high air cooler can come close to the performance of the CoolIt. My recommendation for you would be 1: Get a good HSF and a E8400 which can be OCed easier (as in lower voltages = lowe heat) or 2: Spend $150-200 on a good CPU loop .

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Reply to Shadow703793

Yep, definetly

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Reply to overshocked

N890 wrote :

Thanks, so if I do get it I'll be able to overclock my E5200 higher by upping the voltage? I want to get it to 4.2Ghz or so. I'm planning to use a Antec 300 or a Coolermaster Elite 335.




Yeah 4ghz should be a breeze with it

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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Haha, $600 compared to a $100 CoolIt LC system. So I took a closer look at it and its just the CPU that it coolers. So it cannot cool the GPU?
TBH I wouldn't and couldn't spend $600 on a water cooling kit, anyways is there any site that will ship to Canada and provide me with high quality parts? Or is there just a whole LC kit I can buy? I know there are some at xoxide but I don't know if they will ship to Canada. Also is it possible for me to first if I got the Domino to change the tubes to clear one and secondly to cool the GPU.
Thanks!

 

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Message edited by N890 on 07-23-2009 at 06:37:20 AM
Reply to N890

N890 wrote :

Also is it possible for me to first if I got the Domino to change the tubes to clear one and secondly to cool the GPU.


I would not recommend that you do that. I understand the desire for water-cooling and the benefits of it but a good water cooling system offers so much more than a no-brainer system for "Da Masses" You might want to read this article her on TOM'S : http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,2290.html
So many of the "Ready to go kits" only provide marginal (if any) gains over a good air cooling solution. You may want to study the "art of water cooling" further. Good luck

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^Thankyou! I have been looking for that link.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Corsair H50 is probably better and cheaper

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Reply to TerminatorXT

I'm wondering is the Corsair H50 only for the CPU? Or can it do the GPU too.

Reply to AKM880

H50 is for the cpu only. Maybe later models will subbort gpu.

Reply to overshocked

overshocked wrote :

H50 is for the cpu only. Maybe later models will subbort gpu.



He needs the "HSH" [:lectrocrew:6]

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Reply to OvrClkr

We'll see, i hope it cools alot better than old air coolers (=

Reply to overshocked

You can't modify the domino's tubes because they are a nice hard plastic and when i tried to remove them from the rad i snapped off the rad inlet. :)

If you want GPU cooling as well. Go custom

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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Dominos suck..... its a waste of money.....IMO

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Reply to OvrClkr

OvrClkr wrote :

Dominos suck..... its a waste of money.....IMO



Based on experience or just because thats what you've heard?

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Message edited by PsychoSaysDie on 07-24-2009 at 10:41:58 PM
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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Im just not a fan of them, its a waste of money IMO.... My temps never reach 53c (prime load) and idle at 34c....and thats on a 30.00 dollar AC Freezer...

My other rig uses a V8 (920 @ 3.5Ghz) and again temps never reach 56c no matter what I do....So why bother and spend 75 dollars on a Domino if my temps are fine?

IMO the Pure and the ALC are low end WC solutions....The Freezone Elite is on another level.

And I dont like how they cover half of the mobo, id rather spend more coin on a swiftech system with danger den blocks before I think about a Domino...but this is soley my opinion....


Message edited by OvrClkr on 07-24-2009 at 11:02:57 PM
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Reply to OvrClkr

And let me re-phrase that : Domino's don't suck they are just low end water solutions for peeps that get irritated by the sound of a CPU fan...IMO

So in all its a matter of taste, didn't mean to disrespect your hardware... just don't see a need for it at the moment...

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those arnt fabulous temps considering that it is at 1v LOL [:jaydeejohn:4]

Reply to overshocked

overshocked wrote :

those arnt fabulous temps considering that it is at 1v LOL [:jaydeejohn:4]



Better? ;)

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Message edited by PsychoSaysDie on 07-25-2009 at 10:22:49 AM
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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

^someone has a screwed up thermal sensor...

your temps are below ambient wich is impossible, even for a water cooler.

Unless it has a tec wich would still be extremely hard to believe.

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Reply to overshocked

overshocked wrote :

^someone has a screwed up thermal sensor...

your temps are below ambient wich is impossible, even for a water cooler.

Unless it has a tec wich would still be extremely hard to believe.



Coolit eliminator has 3 TEC's :)

This is an eliminator on my old E8500 at 4.5Ghz

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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Hey psycho can you take a picture of the TEC's in it for me?

im making a heatsink and id really like to know how they use the advantage of 3 TEC's to handle high heatloads.

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Reply to overshocked

Not, bad...

Maybe he has an "HSH" who knows..... [:grahamlv:1]


Message edited by OvrClkr on 07-25-2009 at 08:00:06 PM
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Reply to OvrClkr

^lol

im just wondering how those TEC's are alligned because i might utilize the power of peltier in the "HSH"

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Reply to overshocked

overshocked wrote :

Hey psycho can you take a picture of the TEC's in it for me?

im making a heatsink and id really like to know how they use the advantage of 3 TEC's to handle high heatloads.




This is it bro

http://product.caenet.cn/Uploadfiles/12889522506531250020090615025506531.jpg

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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

That is an awsome design!

great how they used TEC's to tranfer heat to the rad

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Reply to overshocked

So is the CoolIt Eliminator for GPU's or is it only CPU's?

Reply to AKM880

AKM880 wrote :

So is the CoolIt Eliminator for GPU's or is it only CPU's?




Heard of a mod? [:jaydeejohn:4] :lol:

although if you modded it onto a newer video card chances are that the heat output from the video card would overcload the TEC that is on the block.

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