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July 22, 2009 12:51:48 PM

Ok everyone-I dont know what the deal is. I have my Phenom II 720 at 16.5x-HT at 218-volts at 1.392-Running prime my temps dont go over 45c according to HWmonitor but i am still crashing after about 20 minutes. I have upped my volts all the way to 1.425 and still dont go over 49-50c but it still crashes. Could this be a PSU problem ? I have the Ultra 650- It just doesnt seem like i am pushing too hard so i cant figure out why i ant get stable. Can anyone help me or offer some advice. If any more info is needed please ask-i dont get offended easy so dont be scared-LOL

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a b K Overclocking
July 22, 2009 5:39:53 PM

It may be as simple as upping the voltage on your memory. If your running at the default MoBo setting it's probably not enough.
July 22, 2009 6:06:57 PM

I have read that too-so just try the smallest tick and go from there ? I have EPP on, and i think i can tell it to adjust voltage too. I will try and let you know. Thank you for the idea.
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a b K Overclocking
July 22, 2009 8:20:48 PM

No problem, Remote
By the way, what memory are you using?
July 22, 2009 8:25:49 PM

2x2gb OCZ Platinum at 872mhz-4-4-3-15-i have EPP enabled as well-
a b K Overclocking
July 22, 2009 8:30:22 PM

4-4-3-15? strange timings. low timings can be hard to obtain at over 800mhz.
a b K Overclocking
July 22, 2009 8:55:38 PM

The Platinums I see at NewEgg are rared at 2.2v (dont' go that high if you don't need to), unless your running the 1150s, which are 1.8v. You may also want to loosen your timings until you find what your CPU is capable of, then go back and start cranking your memory timings down.

PS: Be prepared to reset the CMOS when you tighten them back down!
a c 197 K Overclocking
July 22, 2009 8:56:34 PM

Relax the timings to 5-5-5-15 or even 6-6-6-18. Get your CPU overclock stable first. Keep in mind that you may not be running your core voltage high enough.

Optimize your memory after you have reached a stable CPU overclock.

I am running Core2 systems so I do not have a good feel for AMD systems.
July 22, 2009 8:59:10 PM

Try upping your voltage more. With your FSB and multiplier, you are around 3.6 GHz which is pretty high. Some 720s OC better than others, try increasing the voltage more to stabilize that OC. For your reference it took me 1.45 V at 3.64 GHz.
a b K Overclocking
July 22, 2009 9:01:02 PM

@JSC, there's an old saying that "Great Minds Think Alike", but this time you may be in big trouble LOL
a b K Overclocking
July 22, 2009 9:15:24 PM

I have the exact same ram in my AMD rig at 5-5-5-15-26-2T 2.1 volts and it is stable as a rock....

IMO if you have played with all these timings and still crash you might have a bad stick or two....
July 22, 2009 9:31:27 PM

i have ran memtest 100% coverage and says no errors. I am gonna start over from the beginning-stock everything and go from there again-cpu first then maybe a little bit with the ram-
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 6:51:50 AM

Fixed?
July 24, 2009 7:27:23 AM

remotehugger said:
i have ran memtest 100% coverage and says no errors. I am gonna start over from the beginning-stock everything and go from there again-cpu first then maybe a little bit with the ram-

Hi, :hello: 

I had the same problem it was the RAM 1.8volts resolved the lockups...this is the email I received from OCZ tech support.

Quote:
Description: OCZ3P13334GK

Please be advised that the status on your trouble ticket
has been changed from Acknowledged to Waiting on Customer
with the following comment:
-------------------------------------------------------
Comment: Hello James,

Try clearing the CMOS and then manually adjusting the memory settings in the BIOS. For this particular kit I recommend using timings of 7-7-7-20, command rate of 2t, and 1.8 volts.

If the problems persist even with these settings try testing each memory stick individually with Memtest. You can download a bootable copy from http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/be_pagegen.php?...

If you find errors with your memory, especially if the errors follow one particular memory stick, your memory is likely faulty and will need replacement with an RMA.
-------------------------------------------------------
Status changed by: Eric Von Stwolinski
-------------------------------------------------------

OS: Windows XP Pro 32
CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE
MoBo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790X ATX
Mem: OCZ OCZ3P13334GK 4gb kit (2gb x 2) 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 240-pin DDR3
PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2
VC: MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3
HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB OEM
DVDROM: Sony Optiarc Black 24X Rewritable Drive - OEM
CASE: Antec 900
July 24, 2009 11:25:40 AM

I am now stable at 17x multiplier-215Ht-1.41volts-which puts me at 3.65Mhz. Ran OCCT for 3 hours and then Prime for 12. I havent touched the memory yet-i think i will just try turning on EPP and see what happens first then go from there. Thanks everyone .
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 2:29:48 PM

remotehugger said:
I am now stable at 17x multiplier-215Ht-1.41volts-which puts me at 3.65Mhz. Ran OCCT for 3 hours and then Prime for 12. I havent touched the memory yet-i think i will just try turning on EPP and see what happens first then go from there. Thanks everyone .


Yes Sir, then once EPP is enabled and you lower you timings you should get a higher overclock... [:lectrocrew:6]
July 24, 2009 2:58:43 PM

Sweet-will do that today and let everyone know-rock on ! Oc'ing is like crack-aaaaaaaggggghhhhh !
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 3:28:17 PM

lol yep, true that........
July 24, 2009 3:57:53 PM

So can you help me understand why EPP would help me get a better OC? EPP puts timings at 4-4-3-15 at 2.1 volts-i put them at 4-4-4-15 at 2.1 volts-can i lower my cpu volts now and try stressing it or is there better ways to get a little more ?
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 8:04:42 PM

If you open cpu-z, you will see a tab called EPP in the timings table....you can try those timing and go from there, they do not have to be exactly as they appear on the EPP tab but it should give you better timings....as opposed to the other tabs on the left hand side....
July 24, 2009 9:11:55 PM

ok-i see what you are talking about-i actually have it set to 4-4-4-15 with the EPP handling the voltage-so i am assuming my ram voltage is at 2.1-i just ran 2 hrs. of OCCT at 3.65Mhz.----- 17x-215 bus-NB+0.050 which put it at 1.35 volts-and +0.150 cpu volts which put it at 1.47-cpu never got hotter than 48c-TMPIN1 59c and TMPIN2 49c.-i was thinking that wasnt too bad :) 
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 9:19:06 PM

Exactly... see its not that hard...... [:jaydeejohn:5]

You will learn by playing around with your timings, not all motherboards are the same so the best way to make sure you are keeping a safe track of them is to write them down, then later you can compare numbers and find your sweet spot.
July 24, 2009 9:25:51 PM

Well.......Frustrating but rewarding-my ram is at 860 and some change-gonna work on my Saphire 4830 now-i cant get Rivatuner or ATItools to download though-
July 24, 2009 9:26:49 PM

I have 6 pages full of successes and failures-
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 9:32:46 PM

remotehugger said:
Well.......Frustrating but rewarding-my ram is at 860 and some change-gonna work on my Saphire 4830 now-i cant get Rivatuner or ATItools to download though-


Why cant you get Rivatuner and Ati tools to work?
July 24, 2009 10:00:46 PM

well with rivatuner it says its extracting it to my documents-it shows up there as an application but when i click on it it just extracts it all over again ?
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 10:02:40 PM

I think you are extracting the exe. .... do you have an Icon on your desktop?
July 24, 2009 10:06:06 PM

nope-it doesnt even show under programs or anything-even if i right click on the application it still tries to extract it again-
July 24, 2009 10:18:37 PM

and ATItool wont because its not digitally signed
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 10:54:13 PM

Man I wish i could help you on this one, i have never had this issue, and as far as ATI tool I have never used it since I don't own ATI cards.....


Is ATI tool the same thing as Catalyst?

You don't have to have RIVA, as I assume it is an overclocking program just like Catalyst....
July 24, 2009 11:21:36 PM

Well stupid me got Rivatuner installed-it was extracting it to my downloads and then i found the extracted application-sent it to my desktop and im good-DUH :(  ------ Catalyst only goes up to 700/1200- i have gotten to 700/975 with no artifacting and temps no higher than 67c-id like to go a little higher if i can-
a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2009 11:43:44 PM

There you go.....

So how is the airflow in your Raidmax Smilodon Case ?
July 24, 2009 11:57:23 PM

Well-it seems to be good-i replaced the front and rear 120mm fans with a pair of Scythe "slipstream" 120mm(front intake/rear exhaust of course)- i cut a hole in the top and put a 120mm exhaust fan there(waiting for my grill from Frozencpu)-2 80mm fans on the window side and one on other side-have that one exhausting-might turn it around and see what happens-I dont know what or how to tell what the temp inside my case is though-sorry about the storybook :) 
July 25, 2009 12:01:53 AM

Oh-i also added a 120mm to the HDD cage as well-so its right behind the front intake-
a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2009 12:11:35 AM

The more info, the better.....

Well if your NB is getting to a point that it will burn your finger, then its time for a 40mm fan... Btw will you connect it with a 3 pin or 4 pin (molex) connector?

July 25, 2009 12:16:27 AM

Can i add a fan to the NB on the Gigabyte mobo with the silentpipe cooling? i put some AS 5 under it allready-the 2 Scythe fans are 3 pin-all the others are 4 pin molex connectors-the cpu fan is 4 pin of course and i let the bios control that one-i am going to get a fan controller after i get back from Vegas-we leave the 3rd of Aug. and come back the 7th.
July 25, 2009 12:18:27 AM

I am gonna take some pics too-i just did some pretty decent cable management(at least i think so anyway) i post them on photobucket-i will post the link so you can peak if you want.
July 25, 2009 12:27:11 AM

Sorry to but in but I'd like to see those pics, lol. Have to get a better idea of good cable management.
a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2009 12:37:09 AM

AKM880 said:
Sorry to but in but I'd like to see those pics, lol. Have to get a better idea of good cable management.



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July 25, 2009 12:39:36 AM

Oh great :(  No pressure-lol- i just used some twist ties and the available space in my case to hide them as best i could-
July 25, 2009 12:41:38 AM

plus that looks alot better than mine-i dont think i did as good of a job as i thought :( 
July 25, 2009 12:48:50 AM

Hahaha mine is probably worse than yours remotehugger. My case has no room whatsoever behind the motherboard tray.
July 25, 2009 1:19:58 AM

Ok-------- photobucket.com/remotehugger---------the last 6 or 7 pics are from when i first finished this build-----the first ones i took tonite-dont laugh :) 
*puff puff*
July 25, 2009 1:24:19 AM

RH, at first when I looked at the Raidmax case pic I thought it was pretty ugly, but infact its not. Looks like a nice case in your pics.
July 25, 2009 1:25:05 AM

Also nice job on the cable management :D 

Is that a Freezer Pro 7?
July 25, 2009 1:31:30 AM

Hery OvrClkr, what temps do you reccomend for the NB heatsink? In your opinion should the NB be warm to touch? LOL my NB burnt my finger.
a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2009 1:33:48 AM

AKM880 said:
Also nice job on the cable management :D 

Is that a Freezer Pro 7?


As far as the 300 with the 650w Thermaltake PSU, no its a XIGMATEK Dark Knight

the other pic with the neon wiring is a Freezer Pro 64
July 25, 2009 1:36:09 AM

Ahh yes that was the one I was refering to. Also any reccomendations for a heatsink for the South Bridge?
a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2009 1:36:34 AM

AKM880 said:
Hery OvrClkr, what temps do you reccomend for the NB heatsink? In your opinion should the NB be warm to touch? LOL my NB burnt my finger.


I would say 7c - 8c MAX over what you Idle (cpu). Ex : if you idle at 40c (cpu) then 47c - 48c should be the MAX IMO....The closer you get your NB temps to your CPU temps the better.....
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