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September 2, 2008 3:12:54 PM

Tom's facts on cpu technology shows AMD started this little
cat fight with INTEL.
They cloned Intel chips for 14 years, overclocked them and
sold them for less thats just bad bussiness, to under cut the
cpu's designer/owner prices.
I have a ? for everyone tell me if IBM didn't twist Intel's arm
to allow AMD to clone there cpu learning how the technology
work from Intel, where would AMD be right now without the
knowledge of Intel existing cpu's

More about : amd intel

September 2, 2008 3:37:06 PM

jed said:
Tom's facts on cpu technology shows AMD started this little
cat fight with INTEL.
They cloned Intel chips for 14 years, overclocked them and
sold them for less thats just bad bussiness, to under cut the
cpu's designer/owner prices.
I have a ? for everyone tell me if IBM didn't twist Intel's arm
to allow AMD to clone there cpu learning how the technology
work from Intel, where would AMD be right now without the
knowledge of Intel existing cpu's


What are you some kind of Communist? Its called a free market.

Your second point is valid, AMD owes its existence in the x86 segment to IBM.
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September 2, 2008 3:45:03 PM

flamebait, or just stupidity?
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September 2, 2008 3:48:07 PM

...

Requesting a lock.
September 2, 2008 3:49:10 PM

1 vote for stupidity. @spuddyt
September 2, 2008 3:57:34 PM

He has a point, before AMD was making cpu's they were just making bios chips. It wasn't until IBM said something that Intel licensed AMD to make chips to help supplies. Now if Intel didn't do what they did because of IBM, AMD would probably still be in just bios chips.
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September 2, 2008 3:59:42 PM

I'd say "stupid flamebait", lol.

But just for the sake of the "argument"... If AMD dissapears (and all other chip makers that use x86), you won't have improvements like C2D over previous gens (at reasonable prices) nor anything to compare it to (risc vs cisc anyone?).

Esop!
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September 2, 2008 4:47:49 PM

i say stupid stupidity.....

if there was no amd, we would still be using pentium pro and this pentium pro would have been released last year or something......
September 2, 2008 4:50:59 PM

I agree, without AMD, Intel would have a monopoly and wouldn't care. We'd all still be playing Doom 2 with our latest S3 GPU with a card made by Trident on our 486 with the turbo button on!
September 2, 2008 4:56:10 PM

^I like that! Playin' Doom 2 with the Turbo Button on! My new signature.^
September 2, 2008 5:02:46 PM

Flame on!!! :p 
September 2, 2008 5:13:33 PM

spuddyt said:
flamebait, or just stupidity?


i think this may actually be both...
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September 2, 2008 5:20:19 PM

jed said:
Tom's facts on cpu technology shows AMD started this little
cat fight with INTEL.
They cloned Intel chips for 14 years, overclocked them and
sold them for less thats just bad bussiness, to under cut the
cpu's designer/owner prices.
I have a ? for everyone tell me if IBM didn't twist Intel's arm
to allow AMD to clone there cpu learning how the technology
work from Intel, where would AMD be right now without the
knowledge of Intel existing cpu's


Your little provocation shows an ignorance about the technology industry in general, an ignorance in the free market, an ignorance of (any) large company's procurement and vendor practices, as well as an ignorance of the the underlying factors that have promoted and furthered technology over the past 30 years.

"AMD started this little cat fight with Intel" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If you wanna play "point-the-finger" then you should be looking to IBM and not AMD. If not AMD then it would have been someone else (Texas Instruments?!?!) who won the contract and then Tom would be writing articles about them instead of AMD.

Cat fight...hahahaha...meow!

FLAME ON!!!!!!!!!!
September 2, 2008 5:24:41 PM

jed said:
Tom's facts on cpu technology shows AMD started this little
cat fight with INTEL.
They cloned Intel chips for 14 years, overclocked them and
sold them for less thats just bad bussiness, to under cut the
cpu's designer/owner prices.
I have a ? for everyone tell me if IBM didn't twist Intel's arm
to allow AMD to clone there cpu learning how the technology
work from Intel, where would AMD be right now without the
knowledge of Intel existing cpu's


This posts reeks of fail:

1) Not a question or plea for help
2) Not based on any information
3) Not much thought was put into the creation of the post


Smells like flaimbait to me; and my guess is that is the intent of the author as well.


::Yawn::
September 2, 2008 5:34:59 PM

jed said:
Tom's facts on cpu technology shows AMD started this little
cat fight with INTEL.
They cloned Intel chips for 14 years, overclocked them and
sold them for less thats just bad bussiness, to under cut the
cpu's designer/owner prices.
I have a ? for everyone tell me if IBM didn't twist Intel's arm
to allow AMD to clone there cpu learning how the technology
work from Intel, where would AMD be right now without the
knowledge of Intel existing cpu's



Where would anything be with out evolution.....now that is the question you should be asking......or let's go back a little further.....

How about a universe with nothing instead of something.....now where would we be.......no AMD or Intell................

What came first the chicken or the egg.... :D 

In other words, who cares.......................
September 2, 2008 5:36:24 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
This posts reeks of fail:

1) Not a question or plea for help
2) Not based on any information
3) Not much thought was put into the creation of the post


Smells like flaimbait to me; and my guess is that is the intent of the author as well.


::Yawn::


Better add strange grammar / punctuation. OP doesn't know what "question" means.

We are bashing, ill make a small pun (lousy pun actually), quoting OP:

Quote:
I have a ? for everyone tell me if IBM didn't twist Intel's arm
to allow AMD to clone there cpu learning how the technology
work from Intel where would AMD be right now without the
knowledge of Intel existing cpu's


Say that loud, no commas (it had one, badly placed, so off with the comma). But don't come saying "yada yada Ingrish not m3 native lang". I work in Spain, in my office, that people CAN talk, Castellano (Spanish), Catalan, Gallego, Euskera (i know very little of this one), one of my mates is Brazilian, i post in English,Portuguese and Spanish.

I'm Portuguese. Firefox Dictionary is "LA HOSTIA MACHO".
September 2, 2008 6:32:32 PM

I'm not bashing AMD, but am tired of hearing how Intel copied AMD
the truth is AMD was the clone for so many years. No I'm not flaming
just telling the truth. Like a student and teacher the student can improve
on what is taut by the teacher but without the lesson there's nothing
to improve on. (BOTTOM LINE DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEED YOU).
September 2, 2008 6:54:36 PM

why do you randomly
press the carriage return
on your keyboard when
typing messages on this
forum. Also, your post is pure
flamebait, please see the
video I posted for more deails
September 2, 2008 7:11:27 PM

alright then tc do you think
intel has copied amd or the
other way around.
September 2, 2008 7:15:30 PM

I think
they
have both
copied each other.

September 2, 2008 7:35:39 PM

jed said:
alright then tc do you think
intel has copied amd or the
other way around.



Sorry, I must be an AMD fanboy, right?
September 2, 2008 8:13:54 PM

no i didn't say that i know your
not a amd fanboy i've ben reading
these post for a long time and
agree with you 99% of the time
i'm tired of the same noise i started
by talking against amd.
i think there's good in both companys
cpu's.
honestly i have more respect for your
opinions TC than anyone in these forums
your about technology no matter the
company.
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September 2, 2008 8:17:41 PM

what happens if i copy both AMD and Intel? MWAHAHAHA! ZOMG!
September 2, 2008 8:27:22 PM

jed said:
alright then tc do you think
intel has copied amd or the
other way around.


There is no way AMD copied Intel in the way you are suggesting. If you had even the slightest idea of what you were talking about you would know that there some pretty key differences in AMD's architecture:

1) On die memory controller
2) L3 cache
3) Monolithic quad core

Now if AMD simply copied Intel architecture (which I already showed you that claim is false), and overclocked them, then why do all of AMD's latest processors have lower clock speeds then Intel's latest processors?

Neither company copied each other, it is obvious the processors are different. If you are tired of the same "noise" then why did you start this nonsense thread?
September 2, 2008 8:31:40 PM

I thought this thread was soooo idiotic I had to register just so I could post (I have lurked around for years but never registered).

You would have to be an idiot to think that one company does not copy another. Who cares if AMD got their start by licensing the technology from Intel and then creating their own processors....do you realize that many companies start out just this way? Do you not even have the slightest understanding of how the world works?

I work for a fortune 500 company. Most of our products are built by first leasing a product from another company and then when we realize we can make more money by just building our own rather than leasing, we do that.

Further, of course companies copy each other, if they didn't we would have incompatible parts! Could you imagine how difficult it would be if we had to stop and think if our CPU was compatible with no only our motherboard, but our video card, hard drives, Optical drives, etc? Just be glad AMD made a clone of the Intel chip and that all of their chips still have the core functionality to work with the same components as their Intel counterparts (okay so you have to have a motherboard that is compatible with your cpu, but otherwise all parts are interchangable).

This is by far the stupidest thread I have ever been apart of in all the forums I belong to......."We are now dumber for having listened. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul."
September 2, 2008 8:36:48 PM

beersy said:
I thought this thread was soooo idiotic I had to register just so I could post (I have lurked around for years but never registered).

You would have to be an idiot to think that one company does not copy another. Who cares if AMD got their start by licensing the technology from Intel and then creating their own processors....do you realize that many companies start out just this way? Do you not even have the slightest understanding of how the world works?

I work for a fortune 500 company. Most of our products are built by first leasing a product from another company and then when we realize we can make more money by just building our own rather than leasing, we do that.

Further, of course companies copy each other, if they didn't we would have incompatible parts! Could you imagine how difficult it would be if we had to stop and think if our CPU was compatible with no only our motherboard, but our video card, hard drives, Optical drives, etc? Just be glad AMD made a clone of the Intel chip and that all of their chips still have the core functionality to work with the same components as their Intel counterparts (okay so you have to have a motherboard that is compatible with your cpu, but otherwise all parts are interchangable).

This is by far the stupidest thread I have ever been apart of in all the forums I belong to......."We are now dumber for having listened. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul."


I agree that AMD took the x86 architecture, but I don't think they "copied" in the sense the OP made it sound. In his words, AMD took developments from Intel and used it as their own "for the past 14 years".

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September 2, 2008 8:41:33 PM

jed said:
I'm not bashing AMD, but am tired of hearing how Intel copied AMD
the truth is AMD was the clone for so many years. No I'm not flaming
just telling the truth. Like a student and teacher the student can improve
on what is taut by the teacher but without the lesson there's nothing
to improve on. (BOTTOM LINE DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEED YOU).


I suppose then by your logic DeLorean copied off Ford and Benz? Or that Microsoft copied off Xerox, Apple, and Digital Research? Or that the Playstation was copied from Atari and Sega?

C'mon already...get over it...this is getting ridiculous!


September 2, 2008 8:45:02 PM

njalterio your talking about there latest cpu's
and i'm talking about from the begining and
from the start of amd making processors was
and is fact those cpu's are intel designs right.
before 1) on die memory controller
2) L3 cache
3) Monolithic quad core
the ? is what did amd have, let
me anwser this point for you a
clone is a copy of something that
already exist.
September 2, 2008 8:46:19 PM

njalterio said:
I agree that AMD took the x86 architecture, but I don't think they "copied" in the sense the OP made it sound. In his words, AMD took developments from Intel and used it as their own "for the past 14 years".


I agree with that. By Copy, I mean they copied the core funcionality of what makes an X86 processor. They did not copy verbatim. AMD processors are not Core2Duo's in disguise, but they are X86 processors which makes them clones.

Did the original Compaq PC function any different than the Intel variety way back in the day? Not at all....Compaq copied the ideas and the functionality and made them their own.

Reverse Engineering, plain and simple.
September 2, 2008 8:58:21 PM

beersy thats all i was sayin.
i understand reverse engineering.
in these forums i here amd the best
and it's not theyr'e both good
September 2, 2008 9:09:24 PM

My eyes hurt.
Actual sentences make people happy.

Yes, AMD "copied" intel, but why's it matter. I can't come up with any reason why it would matter. Isn't one part of the x86 license agreement that a whole bunch of information between AMD and Intel has to be exchanged every so often (ie, SSE instructions).
September 2, 2008 9:47:38 PM

AMD licensed, it was legitimate, and they had permission, what about AMD64? You don't seem to blame Intel for copying that do you? No, this is because you decided that "Hey, AMD isn't the top dog right now, LETS BEAT THEM TO THE GROUND" I'm not defending AMD, but they have done some great things in the past, and so has Intel, why does it have to be about which company is better, how about you buy the fastest processor, for whatever price range you are looking in, and then SHUT UP!
September 2, 2008 10:01:15 PM

i love this first of all i did say both companys have
good products and the arguement of coping amd
with the new processor nehalem without talking
about cpu's history.
now xNEM3S1Sx if your going to chat here i wish
you and others will stop telling people to shut up
if your not going to
September 2, 2008 10:19:58 PM

jed said:
i love this first of all i did say both companys have
good products and the arguement of coping amd
with the new processor nehalem without talking
about cpu's history.
now xNEM3S1Sx if your going to chat here i wish
you and others will stop telling people to shut up
if your not going to


I hereby claim this thread in the name of fail pictures!

September 2, 2008 10:51:26 PM

jed said:
Tom's facts on cpu technology shows AMD started this little
cat fight with INTEL.
They cloned Intel chips for 14 years, overclocked them and
sold them for less thats just bad bussiness, to under cut the
cpu's designer/owner prices.
I have a ? for everyone tell me if IBM didn't twist Intel's arm
to allow AMD to clone there cpu learning how the technology
work from Intel, where would AMD be right now without the
knowledge of Intel existing cpu's


So you are saying if you opened a business "lets say for example cloning macs" you would sell them at a higher cost than the original and underclock them so that no one would buy them.

September 2, 2008 11:16:16 PM

no what i'm sayin is if you made a product of your own
sold it for 100.00 dollars each, now you decide to let
someone clone your product but they sell it for half the
price which cut into your bottom line, tell me as a bussiness
you would be very happy with that.
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September 2, 2008 11:43:07 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
I hereby claim this thread in the name of fail pictures!

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2008-01/shipment-of-fail.jpg


Classic TC. Hehe...

macky said:
So you are saying if you opened a business "lets say for example cloning macs" you would sell them at a higher cost than the original and underclock them so that no one would buy them.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/fail-owned-land-fail.jpg


Hey thats some prime real estate there. I would buy it and then turn it into a lake and then what ever land is lefts value would go up.

As for the OP, so he didn't start it right. Yes AMD started as a BIOS maker and made em for Intel. Then they were a Intel clone until the 386 where they broke out with their own micro code. And it wasn't until K8 that they ditched the FSB for HTT. But hey if things always went the way of the bigger company we would all be setting on 64bit with Itaniums in our PC and probably be moving to 128bit.

AMD has done a great job and are now quite a big company. They have their work cut out for them because they still do not hav as advanced of a process nor the manufacturing capabilities that Intel does. But with a little hard work and some new process tech from IBM I am sure they will do fine.

Either way when AMD copied Intel, it benefited us. When Intel copies AMD, it will benefit us. Why you may ask? Because when they copy they only copy the best the other company has instead of the crap. So we end up taking the best of one and putting it with the best of the other for one kick ass product.

Now is that so bad?
September 2, 2008 11:58:45 PM

jimmysmitty you are totaly correct, all i'm sayin the amd doublecheese
berger nonsence instead of it working and working well, the boys just
can't give any a good one guys unless it's there company
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September 3, 2008 12:03:28 AM

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September 3, 2008 12:57:42 AM

September 3, 2008 1:42:34 AM

This
has got
to be one
of the most
entertaining
threads I've
seen in
a
long time.
(just
had to
for you
T
C)
BTW, your video post was awesome, I needed the laugh today.
September 3, 2008 1:57:48 AM

sdf said:
This
has got
to be one
of the most
entertaining
threads I've
seen in
a
long time.
(just
had to
for you
T
C)
BTW, your video post was awesome, I needed the laugh today.



your welcome
its not 2
often that both
amd and intel
fanbois can
unite; it takes
epic fail
for that to happen

have
a
great
night
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September 3, 2008 7:24:40 AM














Just thought I would add to the collection
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September 3, 2008 8:25:35 AM

y does someone
now copy both
AMD and Intel
and make AMtel
and release a processor
that has all the plus point
of both cpu......
i would like that.

What do u think we
call that cpu, Nehenom??
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September 3, 2008 8:33:25 AM

lol, the atm is the best
September 3, 2008 11:44:46 AM





The movie store is named "MEGA FLICKS"... What an unfortunate font choice:








And my favorite:

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September 3, 2008 12:17:44 PM

Once again, requesting a lock.
!