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HD4850 vs. 9800GT vs. 8800GTS

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HD4850, 9800gt (8800gt rebranded but 55nm), or 8800gts

Total: 115 votes (32 blank votes)

  • ATI Radeon HD4850
  • 79 %
  • EVGA 9800gt AKIMBO
  • 15 %
  • EVGA 8800gts
  • 7 %
July 30, 2008 1:30:21 PM

Ok so I'm building an SFF here are the specs:

Case/Power Supply/Motherboard: Shuttle P35
CPU: E7200
Vid Card: ?
RAM: 4gb of OCZ
Hard Drive: 320gb Wd Greenpower
DVD Drive combo: some pioneer
OS: XP

This SFF is for LAN parties (not for playing Crysis)

Also how long and hot is the HD4850

More about : hd4850 9800gt 8800gts

a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2008 1:40:57 PM

The 4850 is a much better card.
The reference design dose run hot unless you modify the fan speed profile.
I would recommend waiting for HIS's IceQ version with it's upgraded cooling.
July 30, 2008 1:47:24 PM

+ for hd 4850
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July 30, 2008 1:50:49 PM

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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2008 1:56:23 PM

Why not spend a couple of dollars more on the 4870???
July 30, 2008 2:17:20 PM

I vote 4850 :)  Just adjust those fan settings.
July 30, 2008 2:21:05 PM

Another vote here for the 4850....even though the card does run a little hot, it really is nothing to be worrying about unless you're gonna oc it or something...mine runs just fine without any mods...
July 30, 2008 2:30:15 PM

1) I can vote for multiple cards :??: 

2) The 9800GT is still on 65nm. It will transition to 55nm at a later date.

3) The HD4850 is faster than even the 9800GTX, so easy choice there. It does however get HOT, which may be an issue in a SFF build. Although it may seem counter intuitive, the larger HD4870 might be better because of its dual slot cooler. I'm still crossing my fingers and hoping AMD will release a BIOS update for the HD4800 cards that fixes the idle power consumption, but there are no guarantees.

4) XP??? Vista 64 has been very good to me.
a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2008 2:35:21 PM

Get the 4850 and use Rivatuner to increase the fan speed.
July 30, 2008 2:51:57 PM

I belive the 4850 is around 8.5 to 9 inches, I belive it is a shorter card then eather the 9800 or 8800, it dosnt include a 2 slot cooler though so it will be generating more heat. The 4850 should do better in future games then the 9800.
July 30, 2008 3:02:05 PM

The 4850 would best those other two cards by a pretty solid margin, I'd say. Size-wise, it's only about 9" long, so it's not utterly huge, and should be able to fit in your standard ATX case.
July 30, 2008 3:13:39 PM

omicron_15 said:
I belive the 4850 is around 8.5 to 9 inches, I belive it is a shorter card then eather the 9800 or 8800, it dosnt include a 2 slot cooler though so it will be generating more heat. The 4850 should do better in future games then the 9800.


these are very true........

heat: increase fan or used get any aftermarket dualslot cooler that fits 3870. but trust me increasing fan will do very good
July 30, 2008 3:22:16 PM

It seems none of you are true overclockers, else you would have voted for the 9800 GT AKIMBO. Can't leave the AKIMBO part out.
July 30, 2008 3:26:13 PM

Yep this time of year go for the HD4850 if given a better heatsink and fan and change fan speed.
July 30, 2008 3:36:48 PM

I can't have heat it needs to be dual slot because usually ati cards run cool but since this runs hot i need it to be cool also I am planing to do overclocks so I'm thinking 9800gt AKIMBO
a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2008 3:41:15 PM

HD4850 easily. It's the same length as the GTS (and likely the GT, but haven't checked that), and it performs much better than both.
I would suggest you do what I've seen a few people with SFFs do, and that's put a slot cooler right beside it to eject the hot air out of the rig (an adjustable one is nice so you can turn it up for heavy gaming and down for day 2 day).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

PS, be sure it's a short one which leaves the intake spot on the VGA card open, and puts the slot cooler right next to the egde of the card's hot air eject area.
a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2008 3:53:00 PM

cow_moo said:
I can't have heat it needs to be dual slot because usually ati cards run cool but since this runs hot i need it to be cool also I am planing to do overclocks so I'm thinking 9800gt AKIMBO


That all sounds good on the surface, but your plan to 'overclock the GF9800GT' is basically like bragging "instead of buying the Nissan Skyline or 300ZX, I'm going to pay about the same price and then tweak the Sentra instead". Not remembering that the others can tweak/OC too.

You'll need a serious overclock on the GF9800GT to make it a competitor for most games the HD4850 would handle at stock speed.
a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2008 3:54:20 PM

4850 would be a good choice but i would wait till they get a dual slot cooler on it. how much space do u have for ur case ur going to use?
July 30, 2008 4:08:38 PM

+1 for the Radeon HD4870.
July 30, 2008 4:13:36 PM

+1 for the Radeon HD4850... If in anyway possible go for the 4870.
July 30, 2008 4:18:47 PM

I have just over 9in for the vid card
July 30, 2008 4:26:10 PM

sorry no posibility for the 4870 I'm on a tight buget
July 30, 2008 4:40:38 PM

4850 ftw
July 30, 2008 4:56:55 PM

cow_moo said:
I can't have heat it needs to be dual slot because usually ati cards run cool but since this runs hot i need it to be cool also I am planing to do overclocks so I'm thinking 9800gt AKIMBO

Like Ape said, that makes no sense. WTF is AKIMBO anyway?? According to Wikipedia:
Quote:
Akimbo is a human body position in which the hands are on the hips and the elbows are bowed outward, or bent/bowed in a more general sense[citation needed] (e.g. "the sailor sat with his legs akimbo").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akimbo
:o 
July 30, 2008 5:10:24 PM

AKIMBO Is better cooler than standerd cooling offers from EVGA
a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2008 5:13:11 PM

It may have better than stock cooling but it is still a crippled G92.
A 8800GTS 512/9800GTX will still have an edge over it and, in turn, a 4850 will have a large edge over all of them. This will stand overclocked or not.
July 30, 2008 8:56:48 PM

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July 30, 2008 10:22:24 PM

Lavacon said:
+1 Skyline GTR

+1 Charger SRT-8.
July 30, 2008 11:06:53 PM

AKIMBO is another one of EVGA's marketing gimicks, its a clever little name for a dual slot cooler on a card that is referenced using a single slot cooler . Also +1 for the 4850 here, since the 9800GT is just nothing but yet another revision card from nvidia.
July 31, 2008 1:34:54 PM

nottheking said:
+1 Charger SRT-8.


Pff, Lancia Delta S4. 250HP in 1.8L engine.


Edit: Any old Gamer would know what Akimbo means. never played Blood ?
August 26, 2008 8:49:38 PM

pffft to all those cars.


+1 for geo metro
August 27, 2008 1:17:06 AM

All those people who call 4850 "the clear winner" need to look at actual benchmarks instead of generalizing. Overall, 4850 would still qualify as the winner, but not by nearly as much as the hype would suggest, and there's nothing "clear" about it.

It all depends on resolution. 4850 consistently outperform 9800gtx/g92 8800gts at larger resolutions, but the opposite is true for 1280x1024 or below. Although low by today's standards, many people still use 1280x1024 resolution, or the widescreen counterpart of approximately the same area.

See benchmarks, performance very in different games, but there is a general trend as resolution increase.
Far Cry:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/10.html
Crysis:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/8.html
CoD4:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/6.html
UT3:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/17.html

Of course, there's also the issue of overclocking. Those benchmarks are done on stock cards. For example, pro reviewers have only been able to oc 4870 a mere 7%, while the 8800gts goes from stock 650mhz to 780mhz (20%) easily enough for typical home users to manage using free utilities like Rivatuner.
August 27, 2008 12:02:36 PM

^The HD4850 gets better with higher levels of AA too, which IMO is the most important thing a videocard can offer these days. Even most mid-low range cards can offer playable FPS in modern games without AA; 4xAA and 16xAF is what separates the men from the boys, 8xAA even more so.
August 27, 2008 4:21:47 PM

you dont need 8xaa unless your resolution is like 1024 x 7
a b U Graphics card
August 27, 2008 5:34:00 PM

teh_boxzor said:
you dont need 8xaa unless your resolution is like 1024 x 7


The hell you don't!
It's purty :love: 
Hell, I am playing HL2 through again at 1920x1200 with 32x AA on a pair of 4850's.
The only time I have seen it drop below vsync is on the stage where you are running through the girders under the train bridge. Tons o lines to straighten there :pt1cable: 
Just about everything I have thrown at this rig with 8x AA is smoth as butter (sans Crysis).
August 27, 2008 5:45:41 PM

HD4850 > 8800 GTS > 9800 GT :)  You can always get the 8800 GT which is bascially a 9800 GT but costs less:D 
August 29, 2008 5:30:08 AM

i just bought a 9800gt is it true that it comes with the physx drivers whereas the 8800gt doesn't?
August 29, 2008 6:07:20 AM

both of them I believe have Physx:)  just that the 9800 GT is higher price:p 
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2008 7:13:50 AM

9800GT = 8800GT with a new sticker
Later to be changed to a 55nm process but still with identical specs to the 8800GT.
And yes, the 8800GT can do physX.
August 29, 2008 5:01:33 PM

teh_boxzor said:
you dont need 8xaa unless your resolution is like 1024 x 7

Huh?? The need for AA is dependent on pixel size and pixel pitch, not just* resolution. Most LCD monitors have similar/identical size pixels (and distances between them) regardless of the resolution. Or more to the point, higher res screens are also bigger ;) 

*Added "just" because obviously resolution is a factor when discussing aliasing :) 
August 29, 2008 6:19:44 PM

Actually I found that the need for AA minimizes as resolution is upped:S lol Well thats what i se when I go from 1280x1024 to 1920x1080:p 
August 29, 2008 7:07:14 PM

^It is less noticeable given that you have more pixels representing the same FOV, but until we have really high resolution monitors AA is still going to be important.

I'm the kind of guy that thinks 1680x1050 with 4xAA looks better than 1920x1200 with no AA :) 
August 29, 2008 7:09:26 PM

Well put, all in all it comes down to how much jaggies actually upset you:)  I for 1 think that Shadow detail will give you more of a performance hit than AA:) 
August 30, 2008 2:39:53 PM

got my 9800gt and i must say it is a good jump from my 7900gs. it runs a bit cooler than it too. fps increase is 2x in some games and 4x in older games. also i played around with AA and saw no difference between 4xaa and 16xqaa in CS:S at 1680x1050
August 30, 2008 10:17:28 PM

cs:s runs smoothly on a lot of video cards (its a relatively old game)...it ran everything maxed out on my old x1800xt...(i did pay 4 benjamins for it at the time though...lol)
a b U Graphics card
August 30, 2008 10:49:50 PM

Last time I looked at those benches, they were at 2x AA at 12x10 . Thats not enough. At higher res, the he cranks the AA up. To me it doesnyt make sense. 4x or greater is what they should be reviewed at, especially at that low of a res
August 30, 2008 10:54:05 PM

homerdog said:
Like Ape said, that makes no sense. WTF is AKIMBO anyway?? According to Wikipedia:
Quote:
Akimbo is a human body position in which the hands are on the hips and the elbows are bowed outward, or bent/bowed in a more general sense[citation needed] (e.g. "the sailor sat with his legs akimbo").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akimbo
:o 


i lol'd hard.

anyway, 4850 is definitely the only way to go just look at the votes and any benchmarks.
you can turn of the fan speed that's what i did. i did a mild OC to 650/1050 and my temps were 45 idle 65 gaming.

edit: ATI fixed their AA problems, i don't really see the debate here. get the 4850.
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