HD4850 vs. 9800GT vs. 8800GTS

Ok so I'm building an SFF here are the specs:

Case/Power Supply/Motherboard: Shuttle P35
CPU: E7200
Vid Card: ?
RAM: 4gb of OCZ
Hard Drive: 320gb Wd Greenpower
DVD Drive combo: some pioneer
OS: XP

This SFF is for LAN parties (not for playing Crysis)

Also how long and hot is the HD4850

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Reply to cow_moo

The 4850 is a much better card.
The reference design dose run hot unless you modify the fan speed profile.
I would recommend waiting for HIS's IceQ version with it's upgraded cooling.

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Reply to outlw6669

+ for hd 4850

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Reply to radnor

Why not spend a couple of dollars more on the 4870???

Reply to Anonymous

I vote 4850 Just adjust those fan settings.

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Reply to Lavacon

Another vote here for the 4850....even though the card does run a little hot, it really is nothing to be worrying about unless you're gonna oc it or something...mine runs just fine without any mods...

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Reply to ahslan

1) I can vote for multiple cards :??:

2) The 9800GT is still on 65nm. It will transition to 55nm at a later date.

3) The HD4850 is faster than even the 9800GTX, so easy choice there. It does however get HOT, which may be an issue in a SFF build. Although it may seem counter intuitive, the larger HD4870 might be better because of its dual slot cooler. I'm still crossing my fingers and hoping AMD will release a BIOS update for the HD4800 cards that fixes the idle power consumption, but there are no guarantees.

4) XP??? Vista 64 has been very good to me.

Reply to homerdog

Get the 4850 and use Rivatuner to increase the fan speed.

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Reply to evongugg

I belive the 4850 is around 8.5 to 9 inches, I belive it is a shorter card then eather the 9800 or 8800, it dosnt include a 2 slot cooler though so it will be generating more heat. The 4850 should do better in future games then the 9800.

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Reply to omicron_15

The 4850 would best those other two cards by a pretty solid margin, I'd say. Size-wise, it's only about 9" long, so it's not utterly huge, and should be able to fit in your standard ATX case.

Reply to nottheking

omicron_15 wrote :

I belive the 4850 is around 8.5 to 9 inches, I belive it is a shorter card then eather the 9800 or 8800, it dosnt include a 2 slot cooler though so it will be generating more heat. The 4850 should do better in future games then the 9800.

these are very true........

heat: increase fan or used get any aftermarket dualslot cooler that fits 3870. but trust me increasing fan will do very good

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Reply to sarwar_r87

It seems none of you are true overclockers, else you would have voted for the 9800 GT AKIMBO. Can't leave the AKIMBO part out.

Reply to themyrmidon

Yep this time of year go for the HD4850 if given a better heatsink and fan and change fan speed.

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Reply to goonting

I can't have heat it needs to be dual slot because usually ati cards run cool but since this runs hot i need it to be cool also I am planing to do overclocks so I'm thinking 9800gt AKIMBO

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Reply to cow_moo

HD4850 easily. It's the same length as the GTS (and likely the GT, but haven't checked that), and it performs much better than both.
I would suggest you do what I've seen a few people with SFFs do, and that's put a slot cooler right beside it to eject the hot air out of the rig (an adjustable one is nice so you can turn it up for heavy gaming and down for day 2 day).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] rchInDesc=

PS, be sure it's a short one which leaves the intake spot on the VGA card open, and puts the slot cooler right next to the egde of the card's hot air eject area.

Message edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 07-30-2008 at 05:57:23 PM

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

cow_moo wrote :

I can't have heat it needs to be dual slot because usually ati cards run cool but since this runs hot i need it to be cool also I am planing to do overclocks so I'm thinking 9800gt AKIMBO

That all sounds good on the surface, but your plan to 'overclock the GF9800GT' is basically like bragging "instead of buying the Nissan Skyline or 300ZX, I'm going to pay about the same price and then tweak the Sentra instead". Not remembering that the others can tweak/OC too.

You'll need a serious overclock on the GF9800GT to make it a competitor for most games the HD4850 would handle at stock speed.

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

4850 would be a good choice but i would wait till they get a dual slot cooler on it. how much space do u have for ur case ur going to use?

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Reply to invisik

Wait for the HIS ICEQ card to launch....dual slot cooling is the only way.

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Reply to SpinachEater

+1 for the Radeon HD4870.

Reply to Horhe

+1 for the Radeon HD4850... If in anyway possible go for the 4870.

Reply to grieve

I have just over 9in for the vid card

Reply to cow_moo

+1 HD4850

sorry no posibility for the 4870 I'm on a tight buget

Reply to cow_moo

4850 ftw

Reply to Nik_I

SpinachEater wrote :

Wait for the HIS ICEQ card to launch....dual slot cooling is the only way.
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I agree if I go with the 4850 it has to be dual slot

Reply to cow_moo

cow_moo wrote :

I can't have heat it needs to be dual slot because usually ati cards run cool but since this runs hot i need it to be cool also I am planing to do overclocks so I'm thinking 9800gt AKIMBO

Like Ape said, that makes no sense. WTF is AKIMBO anyway?? According to Wikipedia:

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Akimbo is a human body position in which the hands are on the hips and the elbows are bowed outward, or bent/bowed in a more general sense[citation needed] (e.g. "the sailor sat with his legs akimbo" ).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akimbo

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Reply to homerdog

AKIMBO Is better cooler than standerd cooling offers from EVGA

Reply to cow_moo

It may have better than stock cooling but it is still a crippled G92.
A 8800GTS 512/9800GTX will still have an edge over it and, in turn, a 4850 will have a large edge over all of them. This will stand overclocked or not.

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Reply to outlw6669

+1 Skyline GTR

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Lavacon wrote :

+1 Skyline GTR

+1 Charger SRT-8.

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Reply to nottheking

AKIMBO is another one of EVGA's marketing gimicks, its a clever little name for a dual slot cooler on a card that is referenced using a single slot cooler . Also +1 for the 4850 here, since the 9800GT is just nothing but yet another revision card from nvidia.

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Reply to spathotan

nottheking wrote :

+1 Charger SRT-8.

Pff, Lancia Delta S4. 250HP in 1.8L engine.

Edit: Any old Gamer would know what Akimbo means. never played Blood ?

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pffft to all those cars.

+1 for geo metro

All those people who call 4850 "the clear winner" need to look at actual benchmarks instead of generalizing. Overall, 4850 would still qualify as the winner, but not by nearly as much as the hype would suggest, and there's nothing "clear" about it.

It all depends on resolution. 4850 consistently outperform 9800gtx/g92 8800gts at larger resolutions, but the opposite is true for 1280x1024 or below. Although low by today's standards, many people still use 1280x1024 resolution, or the widescreen counterpart of approximately the same area.

See benchmarks, performance very in different games, but there is a general trend as resolution increase.
Far Cry:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/10.html
Crysis:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/8.html
CoD4:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/6.html
UT3:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/17.html

Of course, there's also the issue of overclocking. Those benchmarks are done on stock cards. For example, pro reviewers have only been able to oc 4870 a mere 7%, while the 8800gts goes from stock 650mhz to 780mhz (20%) easily enough for typical home users to manage using free utilities like Rivatuner.

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Reply to dagger

^The HD4850 gets better with higher levels of AA too, which IMO is the most important thing a videocard can offer these days. Even most mid-low range cards can offer playable FPS in modern games without AA; 4xAA and 16xAF is what separates the men from the boys, 8xAA even more so.

Reply to homerdog

you dont need 8xaa unless your resolution is like 1024 x 7

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teh_boxzor wrote :

you dont need 8xaa unless your resolution is like 1024 x 7

The hell you don't!
It's purty :love:
Hell, I am playing HL2 through again at 1920x1200 with 32x AA on a pair of 4850's.
The only time I have seen it drop below vsync is on the stage where you are running through the girders under the train bridge. Tons o lines to straighten there :pt1cable:
Just about everything I have thrown at this rig with 8x AA is smoth as butter (sans Crysis).

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Reply to outlw6669

HD4850 > 8800 GTS > 9800 GT You can always get the 8800 GT which is bascially a 9800 GT but costs less

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Reply to L1qu1d

i just bought a 9800gt is it true that it comes with the physx drivers whereas the 8800gt doesn't?

both of them I believe have Physx just that the 9800 GT is higher price

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Reply to L1qu1d

9800GT = 8800GT with a new sticker
Later to be changed to a 55nm process but still with identical specs to the 8800GT.
And yes, the 8800GT can do physX.

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Reply to outlw6669

teh_boxzor wrote :

you dont need 8xaa unless your resolution is like 1024 x 7

Huh?? The need for AA is dependent on pixel size and pixel pitch, not just* resolution. Most LCD monitors have similar/identical size pixels (and distances between them) regardless of the resolution. Or more to the point, higher res screens are also bigger

*Added "just" because obviously resolution is a factor when discussing aliasing

Message edited by homerdog on 08-29-2008 at 09:11:14 PM

Reply to homerdog

Actually I found that the need for AA minimizes as resolution is upped:S lol Well thats what i se when I go from 1280x1024 to 1920x1080

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Reply to L1qu1d

^It is less noticeable given that you have more pixels representing the same FOV, but until we have really high resolution monitors AA is still going to be important.

I'm the kind of guy that thinks 1680x1050 with 4xAA looks better than 1920x1200 with no AA

Message edited by homerdog on 08-29-2008 at 09:11:35 PM

Reply to homerdog

Well put, all in all it comes down to how much jaggies actually upset you I for 1 think that Shadow detail will give you more of a performance hit than AA

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Reply to L1qu1d

got my 9800gt and i must say it is a good jump from my 7900gs. it runs a bit cooler than it too. fps increase is 2x in some games and 4x in older games. also i played around with AA and saw no difference between 4xaa and 16xqaa in CS:S at 1680x1050

cs:s runs smoothly on a lot of video cards (its a relatively old game)...it ran everything maxed out on my old x1800xt...(i did pay 4 benjamins for it at the time though...lol)

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Reply to ahslan

Last time I looked at those benches, they were at 2x AA at 12x10 . Thats not enough. At higher res, the he cranks the AA up. To me it doesnyt make sense. 4x or greater is what they should be reviewed at, especially at that low of a res

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

homerdog wrote :

Like Ape said, that makes no sense. WTF is AKIMBO anyway?? According to Wikipedia:

Quote :

Akimbo is a human body position in which the hands are on the hips and the elbows are bowed outward, or bent/bowed in a more general sense[citation needed] (e.g. "the sailor sat with his legs akimbo" ).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akimbo

i lol'd hard.

anyway, 4850 is definitely the only way to go just look at the votes and any benchmarks.
you can turn of the fan speed that's what i did. i did a mild OC to 650/1050 and my temps were 45 idle 65 gaming.

edit: ATI fixed their AA problems, i don't really see the debate here. get the 4850.

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