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So, I originally planned to spend about $800 to get a new computer for myself. That idea has been scrapped, and I'm now going to be dissecting my old computer for parts and buying some new stuff (CPU, mobo, RAM, video card, power supply). This is supposed to be as cheap as possible while still giving me a huge performance boost for gaming (I currently have an athlon xp 3200+, 1gb ram, radeon 9600xt, so I'm a little outdated at this point).

I'm trying to stay in the $500-550 range. Here's what I've got for the 5 parts I'm buying:

$35 - Antec Earthwatts EA-500D
This was suggested in another thread on Tom's Hardware and it looked like a great deal.

$210 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Don't plan to overclock. I know lots of games don't take advantage of all the cores, but I'll have this thing around for years, so I'm not too worried.

$160 (after $30 rebate) - Radeon 4850 512MB
It seems like a good video card for the money, it's getting awesome reviews, too.

This ($57 after $35 rebate) or this ($67 after $20 rebate)?
I've heard Corsair is good for RAM, but the other one has lower timing (Is lowering timing even good? I dunno!) and higher voltage (bad I think?). The price difference is about $10.

$40 (after $10 rebate) - Motherboard
This one I really don't know about. I know almost nothing about motherboards. I just want it to be able to use 4gb RAM, my video card, IDE ATA100 HD (tee hee, might have to upgrade that later/soon), CD/DVD drive). Any suggestions here specifically would be REALLY appreciated as I'm lost :( It would be nice to have a little bit of room for upgrading in the future IF it's still in the price range; I can live without it if it exceeds the price range.

$10 Shipping
$502-$512 Total

I think I'm pretty well set on everything but the motherboard and RAM. I could really use some suggetions on those (motherboard especially). There is some room left for changing up the motherboard to something a little more expensive, but I just because I have a maximum limit on the budget doesn't mean I have to reach it; The lower price the better.

Thanks!

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For ram, either will do fine. The OCZ one has tighter timings, so it looks better from specs.

 

The retail q6600 is not good. Get OEM version instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115018
They put high VID chips in retail boxes. Plus it's $15 more. The stock cooler that comes with it is next to useless for a warm 65nm quad, even at stock. You'll need to buy a new one anyway. Something like this is only $5 more than stock fan, but perform far better, and can handle typical oc:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835150082

 

That motherboard is a joke. It's not only a matter of poor performance. 630i chipset is shaky. It has all kinds of intractable problems, such as ram compatibility, instability at high load... etc. Not worth the headaches. P43/45 start as low as $75, overclocks as far as the q6600 can take, has no ram compatibility problems, and is perfectly stable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] rder=PRICE

 

If you want best value for graphics, consider g92 8800gts instead of 4850. It's $120 ar, performs the same as 4850, runs cooler, and reliably overclock 20+%, compared to 4850's 7%.
http://fxvideocards.com/ZOTAC-GeFo [...] 16280.html
benchmarks

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
Reply to dagger

well i will say this $40 for a motherboard..... if i may give any example that is like taking a 700hp engine and putting it in a 10 year old station wagon just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be.....

ok to fix that the 4850 is the new hot thing and it is great but any 8800 or 3800 series is going to destroy your 9600xt in gaming trust me...

so i would step down just one llevel to ethier a 9600gt 8800gt or a 8800gts (g92) for about 120 to 150ish this way you can put about $100 to
yoyur motherboard and get a P35 or 45 ....

another example if your not into cars... your heart(CPU) can extremely healthy but if your vanes (motherboard) get a clot or whole body can breakdown.

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Get this RAM instead. Good timings at the JEDEC standard 1.8v.

I agree that the motherboard you chose is a very bad decision. Everything connects to your motherboard and everything runs through it so a lower quality board will effect the stability and performance of the whold system.

Something like this or this would be a much better choice of motherboard

I agree that $120 for a 8800GTS is a unbeatable deal so get it and spend the extra $40 on a motherboard.


Message edited by ausch30 on 07-12-2008 at 10:26:05 PM
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Makes sense to me about switching up the motherboard/video card. How's this work then? I'm looking to buy this either today or tomorrow, so I hope I can get this nailed down fast.

 


$35 - Antec Earthwatts EA-500D
$195 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield OEM
$21 - MASSCOOL 8WA741 92mm Ball CPU Cooler
$57 - OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800
$120 - ZOTAC GeForce 8800 GTS G92 512MB
$80 - Motherboard

 

$21 - Shipping
$529 -Total
($85-$90 in rebates)

 

For the motherboard, the only brands I've heard of (I don't even know if they are good :( )that are on the cheap end of the P43/45 are MSI ($80) and Biostar ($80). They both look like they'd suit my needs and more. Seems to me like most of the motherboards so far in the thread look really similar (minus the one in my first post); Could I just pick one at random and be okay? :)

 

How does this all look?

 

(Also, What's the voltage difference on the RAM you suggested ausch30 and the one I have picked mean? And what sort of difference will the different timings make? It's only a 8 dollar difference so I'm fine with picking which ever is better, but I haven't heard of mushkin before.)

 

edit: Just noticed the cooler doesn't have the quad core thing listed under it's "compatibility" list; will it still work for my cpu?

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Message edited by mgammon on 07-12-2008 at 10:54:37 PM
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Get a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128078

Best most reliable micro atx motherboard ive ever used and only 60 $.

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mgammon wrote :



Could I just pick one at random and be okay? :)

(Also, What's the voltage difference on the RAM you suggested ausch30 and the one I have picked mean? And what sort of difference will the different timings make? It's only a 8 dollar difference so I'm fine with picking which ever is better, but I haven't heard of mushkin before.)



Different companies use different level quality components in their different models to sell at different prices. That is the reason you should look for some reviews before just buying the cheapest.

JEDEC is the governing body that certifies RAM speeds and their standard for DDR2 is 1.8v. All the other RAM that has different voltages is being sold at it's EPP (Enhanced Performance Profiles) speed and you will have to go into the BIOS and manually set the memory to those timings and voltage. If you look through the list of memory you will see a lot sold at similar timings but different voltages and this is because companies will jack up the voltage on lower quality chips to get the timings of higher quality chips.

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Reply to ausch30

I do not know how you feel about ASUS but I have been using this one for about a month now and it might be worth considering.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 813131277R

It has allot of features for its price and was easy to set up and run (also it came with these little blocks for connecting up front USB ports on a case and I have had front USB ports on my case that I never connected as it was just such a pain in the ass, long story short it made it sooo easy I did it in like 1 minute flat...)

Something else to consider is that if your set on that 4850 you can crossfire on this one later on :)

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fugben wrote :

Get a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128078

 

Best most reliable micro atx motherboard ive ever used and only 60 $.


MicroAtx boards perform badly, and are meant as bottom level boards. G31 chipset is not good. It ocs badly and has more ram compatibility issues. The $20 dollar difference is not worth it.

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
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Ahhh k...Thanks for clarifying that. :) Going with the RAM you suggested then. Brings the total to ~$537. Down to one last part to pick! The motherboard...Anyone have specific suggestions? Would either of the ones I found on newegg be good? (this msi one and this biostar one). I'm terrible at deciding on things I don't completely know about. :(

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JonathanDeane wrote :

I do not know how you feel about ASUS but I have been using this one for about a month now and it might be worth considering.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 813131277R

 

It has allot of features for its price and was easy to set up and run (also it came with these little blocks for connecting up front USB ports on a case and I have had front USB ports on my case that I never connected as it was just such a pain in the ass, long story short it made it sooo easy I did it in like 1 minute flat...)

 

Something else to consider is that if your set on that 4850 you can crossfire on this one later on :)


That board is p35, not p45. While still quite good, it's a level below. Also, it's Open Box. Those are motherboards that other people rmaed due to a variety of problems. It's a bad idea to buy them.

 

To crossfire 4850, you need an expensive X38/48 motherboard with dual PCIE2.0x16 slots. Anything lower will bottleneck.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/ [...] index.html

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
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mgammon wrote :

Ahhh k...Thanks for clarifying that. :) Going with the RAM you suggested then. Brings the total to ~$537. Down to one last part to pick! The motherboard...Anyone have specific suggestions? Would either of the ones I found on newegg be good? (this msi one and this biostar one). I'm terrible at deciding on things I don't completely know about. :(


They're both fine, and a step above anything else suggested. The Biostar board supports 1600mhz fsb and 1066mhz ddr2 ram natively, which is better than MSI's support of them as "o.c." The MSI model can use 16gb ram, which, while not useful in reality, is still a plus. It also has 8 SATA ports, compared to Biostar's 6, and 8 channel sound, compared to 6. Reviews are good for both.

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
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Open box doesn't sound like my sort of thing. I doubt I'll be upgrading anytime soon (last built a computer 3 years ago maybe, haven't upgraded since then, just now building a new computer), so the motherboard I do get doesn't need to be able to do crossfire/SLI stuffs.

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Okay, nearly done! Here's what I've got as a final run-down:

$35 - Antec Earthwatts EA-500D
$195 - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield OEM
$21 - MASSCOOL 8WA741 92mm Ball CPU Cooler
$65 - mushkin 4GB DDR2 800
$120 - ZOTAC GeForce 8800 GTS G92 512MB
$80 - Biostar Thingy

$24 - Shipping
$540 - Total (with $85 in rebates calculated in)

Getting close to my limit, but I think that's everything. Do I need thermal paste or does that normally come with a CPU cooler?

Aside from that, am I good to go?

Reply to mgammon

it looks to me like the cooler doesn't have thermal paste so just get some artic silver 5 it cost like 5 bucks other than that great changes

Reply to rammar16
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+1 @ausch. I have found Mushkin RAM to be painless anytime I've bought it; it has become my first choice. It runs well at JEDEC specs.
I've only used a few Biostar boards, but they too have performed flawlessly. I think you've ended up with some good safe choices.

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I think that CPU cooler comes with a patch of thermal compound already applied:
http://www.masscool.com/masscool/Imagep/8WA741_M.jpg from the Masscool website: http://www.masscool.com/masscool/Product.aspx?ID=283


Reply to WR2

dagger wrote :

That board is p35, not p45. While still quite good, it's a level below. Also, it's Open Box. Those are motherboards that other people rmaed due to a variety of problems. It's a bad idea to buy them.

To crossfire 4850, you need an expensive X38/48 motherboard with dual PCIE2.0x16 slots. Anything lower will bottleneck.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/ [...] index.html



Weird results I wonder if driver updates will fix that :)

Reply to JonathanDeane
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yay, glad to hear the stuff I picked now isn't gonna be a pile of crap. :) I'll be buying this tomorrow I think. Thanks everyone for the help.

Reply to mgammon
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wy dont u spend the extra 40 bucks for an msi 4850. Its like 30 % better than the 8800 gts and comes with a free witcher game (awesome game)
for a total of 160 $

Reply to fugben
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fugben wrote :

wy dont u spend the extra 40 bucks for an msi 4850. Its like 30 % better than the 8800 gts and comes with a free witcher game (awesome game)
for a total of 160 $


Compared to the old g80 8800gts, it's 30% faster. Compared to g92 8800gts, it's the same.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/10.html

------------------------------ Q6600@3.6ghz, GA-EX38-DS4 motherboard, 8gb 800mhz ddr2 4-3-3-12, 8800GTS(g92)@780mhz, 1TB + 1.5TB hdds, 850watt psu
Reply to dagger
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It's actually only an extra $31 once you take shipping into account, but I dunno, they seem pretty close in terms of performance (at least according to those benchmarks, may have try to scrounge some more up). I'll probably be sticking with the 8800gts unless someone wants to convince me a 4850 is going to give me noticeable performance gains. Afterall, there's always "donating" my plasma for an extra $50. :P


Message edited by mgammon on 07-13-2008 at 08:15:24 PM
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