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August 1, 2008 9:34:34 PM

I have a conundrum!

4870 or 9800gx2
both Newegg, 4870 is $285 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
9800 gx2 is $285 as well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have googled extensively and have been met with mixed results. Some say the 9800gx2 is incredible and smokes the 4870. Others say the 9800gx2 has microstutter and scaling issues and the 4870 is superior. Also, my mobo does not support sli/cf so that is out of the question.

Please any experiences, opinions, recommendations,or insights will be greatly appreciated.

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August 1, 2008 9:41:29 PM

Same price?
GX2 - average of better framerates but certainly does not smoke the 4870

Higher power consumption and will not scale in all games (naturally of any multigpu card tho).

This time round tho the 9800 is a better deal
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August 1, 2008 9:48:14 PM

Of course!! ATI is soo much better. I should've listened to my friend and his wisdom. He was saying how I should get the 4870. I'm so thickheaded.
August 1, 2008 10:00:56 PM

it really depends on what games you're playing.

a lot of numbers/benchmark results don't mean a lot. what's more important is actual frames per second in games.

it depends what resolutions you play at. 285 for a 9800GX2 is a really really good deal.

i personally have a 4850 and i love it. played crysis on very high (and on a pcie1.0 motherboard which creates a bottleneck) and i'm waiting to crossfire it. the 4800 series cards are great.

imo you should wait ~2 weeks for the 4870X2 to come out becuase it'll mess with the market and drop a bunch of prices.
August 1, 2008 10:40:09 PM

I would go with a 4870.
Im not posting any data to support my decision! to lazy right now.
August 1, 2008 11:27:57 PM

Hm, the issue of microstuttering is making me lean towards the 4870

Anyone here have first-hand experience with micro stuttering, is it very jarring?
August 1, 2008 11:41:40 PM

Stop looking at the numbers for a second and listening to people who have never used that card and base opinions off reviews.

Reviews might say 9800gx2 is better, but its not.

I had that card and it was horribile, it gave no advantage at all over the 8800gtx I sold to get it, performance on some games like Crysis was horribile, frame rates all over the place, tearing, glitching.

It was a mess.

I have the Gtx 260 2 weeks now and its 10 times the card the gx2 is, reviews you read might not say it, but it is.

HD4870 is even faster than my gtx260, so go for that.

Only a fool would go with 9800gx2 over HD4870



August 2, 2008 12:15:13 AM

the 4870 is a newer card, and it supports DX10.1 (even if that isn't all that useful). it also uses alot less power which means you may not need a new psu just to run a 9800GX2. plus, if you use your pc for media center functions, then the 4870 is the clear winner.
August 2, 2008 3:28:55 AM

I think I have decided on the 4870. It seems as if all the problems of the 9800gx2 are not worth the power... even at that awesome price.

More input is, of course, always welcome.
August 2, 2008 4:09:27 AM

Really depends on what games you play to be honest. If you're playing games that don't scale well with dual gpus then go for the 4870. If you're playing Crysis the 9800gx2 would be better. The gx2 is a beast of a card, but just make sure it scales well with the games that you play, because that is what matters on your end.
August 2, 2008 5:05:25 AM

don't know what to make of this
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7659.html

but the 4870 is an amazing card, obviously.
while i'm siding with ATI right now, i honestly think the 9800GX2 is going to be a better single slot option than the 4870.









i can't really believe i'm saying it, but i think you should go with nvidias card in this case.
but i think what you really should do, is wait for the price drops the 4870X2 will bring.


edit: i'm having a similar issue but will have multi gpu capabilities, i'd appreciate input :D 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/253462-33-which-grapi...
August 2, 2008 3:53:48 PM

thanks for the charts, but the problem with the 9800gx2 is that even with the high FPS, microstuttering can make it look much choppier. I would rather have 35 smooth FPS than 48 choppy.
August 3, 2008 5:16:36 PM

yes thats true, but I have a Gx2 and I rarely see it. I play games like COD4, CSS, world of Conflct. I don't notice it, its only when I try to find the microstuttering, thats when I see it once in a while.

I don't know if other people are in the same boat as me, but really its minimal. And it doesn't impact gaming.
October 6, 2008 12:05:39 PM

By looking at the recent post's I think that the Nvidia card could be alot better if the driver were a little more stable, so maybe holding out and trying the Nvidia drivers in a couple months might improve on the "glitches" its having. Then see if it has a better rate over the ATI card.

but then again it might not! :cry: 

I will let you if I get any problems once i get my 9800GX2 :??: 
a c 89 U Graphics card
October 6, 2008 12:33:18 PM

No probs here with the 9800GX2 either
October 6, 2008 4:12:05 PM

For a single slot card. the 9800 GX2 is the best bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have recently purchased one.. and its performing graet. with the new driviers... which i realised that i did not install everything is now awesome!

Crysysis dx10 very high clear sky dx10 all high etc.. its amazing :) 

So dont be worried about the 4870.. go to ebay so you can find a monster deal! tis what i did and got a 9800 GX2 for like £160!

Overclocked it and now im in love :)  xxxxxxx
a b U Graphics card
October 6, 2008 5:13:06 PM

FrantiX said:
Hm, the issue of microstuttering is making me lean towards the 4870

Anyone here have first-hand experience with micro stuttering, is it very jarring?


I've got a GX2, and have NEVER encountered microstuttering.

I can get around 45-55 FPS in Crysis with everything on (XP, DX9) running at 1280x1024. And according to most benchmarks I've seen, the GX2 actually beats the 280 in Crysis, and in fact matches the 280 in almost every game out there.
October 6, 2008 10:38:48 PM

gamerk316 said:
I've got a GX2, and have NEVER encountered microstuttering.

I can get around 45-55 FPS in Crysis with everything on (XP, DX9) running at 1280x1024. And according to most benchmarks I've seen, the GX2 actually beats the 280 in Crysis, and in fact matches the 280 in almost every game out there.


Of course not. Most people tends to forget that microstuttering applies to both dual card setups and x2 cards equally. Yet people with the very common 8800gt sli and 4850 cf setups hardly ever complain of it, because it does not happen. The frequent microstuttering issue is fabricated by fanboys who don't actually run crossfire/sli setups or x2 cards. Unless you're afraid of getting hit by lighting, don't consider the basically nonexistent "microstuttering issue." Crossfire/sli setups, as well as X2 cards (3870x2, 9800gx2, 4870x2) will work just fine.

Performance level:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=13
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=14
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=15
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=16
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=17
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=18
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=19
a c 89 U Graphics card
October 6, 2008 11:18:32 PM

^+1
Well said , forget reading what they write, hear it from guys that actually own the cards/setup.
a b U Graphics card
October 6, 2008 11:52:26 PM

Keep in mind that the 9800GX2 requieres a little more power compared to the 4870, so check if your PSU can handle it.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=22

If it does not, then you might want to stick with the 4870 or consider a GTX260 :p 

Esop!

EDIT: Fixed thingy X'D
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