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July 14, 2008 1:43:07 PM

Building a kids computer based loosely off my Computer I just built. (E8400, 4GB Ram, EVGA 8800GT, etc with the same case & motherboard.) I figure when I upgrade my computer in the future, my parts will just go into this one.

Case, Motherboard & Chip are decided, the rest are still up in the air. I am trying to keep this right around 500$ and I am slightly over right now. I have OS, 19" monitor, keyboard (might have to get a mouse). Wife prob does not think the kids need to play some games, but I thought I would sneak a card in there as well....
:D 

If you got a better suggestion for a video card, please speak up! I just grabbed a 8800GS as it is a 'poor mans' 8800GT, from what I have been reading.

1st 5 items are pretty much decided, under the ~~~~~ are not.


Rosewill R102-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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EVGA 384-P3-N851-AR GeForce 8800 GS 384MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-04 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Added Mouse....used these for years, no problems:

Microsoft U81-00009 Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Compact Mouse 500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 14, 2008 1:48:47 PM

Hmm...E7200
P31DSL
2GB RAM
Get the antec sonata 3 which comes with a very good power supply!
88GT
and your set :D 
July 14, 2008 1:57:06 PM

at least spend the money on a good corsair power supply and save yourself future headaches, specially if your gonna give em your old parts, don't cheap out on the powersupply you'll have to replace later !

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

it's gonna hurt budget wise, but you wont have to replace it the minute you upgrade your kids stuff.
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July 14, 2008 1:59:23 PM

bnbader said:
Hmm...E7200
P31DSL
2GB RAM
Get the antec sonata 3 which comes with a very good power supply!
88GT
and your set :D 


I'm going to build in the case\mobo\chip as I had listed above. I use them and they work great, and take up very little space. Can't beat a 25$ case & 59$ Motherboard.



July 14, 2008 2:02:01 PM

ditch the rosewill unit..
July 14, 2008 2:05:55 PM

royalcrown said:
at least spend the money on a good corsair power supply and save yourself future headaches, specially if your gonna give em your old parts, don't cheap out on the powersupply you'll have to replace later !

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

it's gonna hurt budget wise, but you wont have to replace it the minute you upgrade your kids stuff.


Will do....I have the same PSU in my current build....and I see the price dropped slightly.

Edited my top post for items picked. I am at 540$ b4 shipping with 40$ of available rebates so still real close to 500$ still :D 
July 14, 2008 2:10:03 PM

The Earthwatts 500W is a very very good PSU i reccomend strongly going with what i said!
July 14, 2008 2:17:27 PM

Yah, if you look on jonnyguru.com...you'll find that a lot of the cheap high wattage units blow up at half load or less ad that the nice power supplies (corsair included) actually can run over 100 percent load and live.

Is it their bdays or something ? he / she / him / they are gonna flip...you get the cool dad award !
July 14, 2008 2:40:12 PM

bpogdowz said:
that hard drive only got 8MB cache what is he trying to do piss the kids off. 8MB cache on HD is horrible make it a 16 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Well, the kids currently use an old laptop. 700Mhz - 168M Ram, 10GB drive running XP Pro....Anything is a step up at this point.

EDIT: Updated Drive to suggested.

July 14, 2008 2:45:59 PM

royalcrown said:
Yah, if you look on jonnyguru.com...you'll find that a lot of the cheap high wattage units blow up at half load or less ad that the nice power supplies (corsair included) actually can run over 100 percent load and live.

Is it their bdays or something ? he / she / him / they are gonna flip...you get the cool dad award !


Well, the current laptop they use is quite slow (700mhz) and I want something that will last a while and easily upgradeable (aka my old computer parts when I upgrade MY computer :D  )

July 14, 2008 2:53:06 PM

paq7512 said:
Get this powersupply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Why are you buying such a big psu?


550W is not that big, is it? It is what I currently run for my E8400 & 8800GT setup. This computer will eventually get these parts when I upgrade my computer in the future (same case & MoBo as this build) in the future.

Think of it as kid computer hand-me-downs...... :lol: 
July 14, 2008 2:58:00 PM

Y2kGTP...bpogdows is incorrect on the hd...the main attributes which determine the speed are the:

seek times/ rotational speed
and the density of the platter, the cach gets written to and emptied in a fraction of a second, and after that it is the speed that the heads can read from and write to the platters that is the limiting factor. 8 meg is fine and so is 16, but you'll never see a difference in speed based soley on cache size, save the money.

consider a sata drive with 8 vs 16 meg cache running at 150 for instance:

8 meg / 150 meg per sec = .053 sec to fill or empty
16 meg = .106 sec

after that, it's all from the platters
and sata 300 deplete and fill em in 1/2 that time. This is very rough math and there are other factors, but the cache deal is just for bragging rights or buffering when the system is busy.
July 14, 2008 3:03:34 PM

royalcrown said:
Y2kGTP...bpogdows is incorrect on the hd...the main attributes which determine the speed are the:

seek times/ rotational speed
and the density of the platter, the cach gets written to and emptied in a fraction of a second, and after that it is the speed that the heads can read from and write to the platters that is the limiting factor. 8 meg is fine and so is 16, but you'll never see a difference in speed based soley on cache size, save the money.

consider a sata drive with 8 vs 16 meg cache running at 150 for instance:

8 meg / 150 meg per sec = .053 sec to fill or empty
16 meg = .106 sec

after that, it's all from the platters
and sata 300 deplete and fill em in 1/2 that time. This is very rough math and there are other factors, but the cache deal is just for bragging rights or buffering when the system is busy.


Yeah, I'm not sure if you could tell the performance difference really. Regardless, I bought a 500GB 32M cache for my personal computer :lol: 

July 14, 2008 3:15:39 PM

I'm awaiting ups this am for my wd 640, upgrading from a 40 ide...so I can't wait !
July 14, 2008 3:18:20 PM

Why such a big powersupply? Just get a corsair 450 Watt.
July 14, 2008 3:28:53 PM

SuicideSilence said:
Why such a big powersupply? Just get a corsair 450 Watt.


For future upgrades.....
July 14, 2008 3:36:02 PM

royalcrown said:
the 8800gs will destroy that 8600, but if your gonna give em your card then go for it, plus if they are lil still, lil kids games don't use much.


It's a 9600GSO aka renamed 8800GS nVidia card. I would not even bother with a 8600 series, I agree.
July 14, 2008 3:56:26 PM

dirtmountain said:
I'm not sure if the DDR2 on the Asus 9600GSO has the same effect on it as it does on the 8600GT. Same price for this 8800GS from EVGA that uses the 384 DDR3. I'm just not sure if you noticed the change by Asus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I'm not too sure what the performance differences really are, but the kids are not going to play Crysis or high end games, so either one should do fine.

July 14, 2008 4:08:47 PM

8800gt = very cheap as of late as well....
July 14, 2008 4:12:25 PM

Get the e2200 instead of the e7200. With that cheap motherboard, you won't be overclocking the e7200. At stock speeds, you won't notice a big difference between them and you will save $50.
July 14, 2008 4:37:35 PM

orangegator said:
Get the e2200 instead of the e7200. With that cheap motherboard, you won't be overclocking the e7200. At stock speeds, you won't notice a big difference between them and you will save $50.


Motherboard is fine, it can overclock as well as any other....I just prefer mATX as I like the smaller cases.


July 14, 2008 9:19:14 PM

Dont go with that 9600 gso for $10 more u can get the 384mb 192 bit model
July 15, 2008 1:05:34 PM

Ok..changed Video card to EVGA 384-P3-N851-AR GeForce 8800 GS 384MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
July 15, 2008 4:47:28 PM

royalcrown said:
Y2kGTP...bpogdows is incorrect on the hd...the main attributes which determine the speed are the:

seek times/ rotational speed
and the density of the platter, the cach gets written to and emptied in a fraction of a second, and after that it is the speed that the heads can read from and write to the platters that is the limiting factor. 8 meg is fine and so is 16, but you'll never see a difference in speed based soley on cache size, save the money.

consider a sata drive with 8 vs 16 meg cache running at 150 for instance:

8 meg / 150 meg per sec = .053 sec to fill or empty
16 meg = .106 sec

after that, it's all from the platters
and sata 300 deplete and fill em in 1/2 that time. This is very rough math and there are other factors, but the cache deal is just for bragging rights or buffering when the system is busy.


Incorrect. a 16MB cache drive scores 5.9 on the Vista rating where as a 8MB drive only scores 5.3. Not the topic to be bashing microsoft's programmers now is it? The benchmarks don't lie. There you have it. A performance difference of .6 on the Vista rating chart. Oh and I can tell the difference or why would I post such nonsense.
July 15, 2008 4:50:58 PM

I'm not too worried about Vista ratings :lol:  I just don't want it to drag slow. If Vista seems to lag too much, I'll just put put XP Pro on it.....
July 15, 2008 4:53:19 PM

Well whatever my rig is faster
a b V Motherboard
July 15, 2008 4:59:56 PM

bpogdowz said:
Incorrect. a 16MB cache drive scores 5.9 on the Vista rating where as a 8MB drive only scores 5.3. Not the topic to be bashing microsoft's programmers now is it? The benchmarks don't lie. There you have it. A performance difference of .6 on the Vista rating chart. Oh and I can tell the difference or why would I post such nonsense.

Vista scores are just cr@p and un-reliable. The best way to measure performance is to run benchmarks. For HDDs run HDTune to benchmark. Usually a 16MB drive is better than a 8MB drive, but depending on if it's a 7200.11/7200.9,etc the performance changes.
October 11, 2008 6:19:10 AM

I dunno why you have a 550-watt gaming power supply in a kids computer. Keep in mind that dual GTX280's don't even use more then 550-watts (the whole system).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This 430-watt thermaltake would be more then enough. I have it and it works great. (its super popular for a reason) I have brought this up 4 times here so far, but remember that Tomshardware was able to SLI 8800GT's under a 400-watt power supply....

Also, an E7200 is probably way overkill. Kids generally aren't insanely picky on graphics, and a AMD 5200+ with an 8800GS would be more then enough to run games very nicely with 2xAA, 4xAF, on medium-high settings (on a 19" monitor.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The above motherboard is awesome, I highly recommend it.

My friend has a Q6600, 4GB of RAM and and an oldschool 7900GS, and his kids play the new lego Indiana Jones on it or whatever... it runs it on high at 1440x900... it actually looks pretty good hehe.
My kid's computer is running an AMD3500 with 3GB of RAM and onboard graphics... and it's absolutely plenty for them.

@ bpogdows comments... your hard drive argument is pretty bogus. Vista scores don't matter... like at all. There are lots of 8MB cache drives that outperform 16MB drives.

Just for the record, an AMD Sempron (which I also own), with 1GB of RAM and onboard graphics will be PLENTY for any homework/school/kid stuff.\

Good luck on your build. :) 
January 21, 2009 10:46:23 AM

Get an HD 4670. I would say good enough for the kids or wait for the RV740 if you can.
For the Case get something better. Get the Antec Sonata III. It gets great reviews(just google or go to antec site) and comes with an Antec Earthwatts 500w and just for $99.99. I think it is enough to even power a quad core with a high end gfx card. And why such an old HDD, slow and with such less space? get something like WD Caviar Black 500GB for just $20 more. HDD speed makes quite a difference and a Caviar Black would improve it by about 35%. For the mouse, get this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... as it is getting better reviews at the same price.
a b V Motherboard
January 22, 2009 12:24:52 AM

+1 for 4670. Also you might be able to save money by going with a Corsair 400CX. Or the Antec Sonata w/ PSU.
January 22, 2009 12:46:44 AM

y2kgtp said:
550W is not that big, is it? It is what I currently run for my E8400 & 8800GT setup. This computer will eventually get these parts when I upgrade my computer in the future (same case & MoBo as this build) in the future.

Think of it as kid computer hand-me-downs...... :lol: 


550W is great not too big and plus it will give you alot of headroom for upgrading in the future
!