I'm trying to build a good gaming rig on a budget of $800-900 dollars. I have gathered as much information as I can from reading just about a million threads on 100 different forums. This is what I have on my list so far:
Case: Antec 900 Steel ATX Ultimate Gamer PC Case
or
NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 Power Supply 90
Video Card: VisionTek 900241 Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
Other stuff aren't that important. Maybe a CPU cooler and thermal compound stuff.
My biggest question is this. This system right now costs about $870 (including MIR) without taxes or any of the accessories like a mouse and a keyboard. Right now, I am going to start college, and I am just going to play not too processor burdening games like WoW and Orange Box games. So, should I build a cheaper build with less powerful parts and wait until later to constantly upgrade it so I can play Diablo III and StarCraft2? Or should I just do this build and save time and money (if it does save money). I'm going to keep this machine for a looong time, until I absolutely have to make a new PC, which I hope isn't in less than 6 years. Please help?
Message edited by Viridis25 on 07-16-2008 at 04:31:36 AM
it's 750w continuous only $129 after $30 rebate well worth it especially if you plan to overclock
most pc's are obsolete for new games after 3 years without any upgrades
max out your ram oc the cpu to 3.0ghz (or upgrade when prices drop) and add a new video card every couple of years and you might get 5 years out it. goodluck
Yeah that PC&POWER COOLING is a very good choice (the Corsair model is good too)but the PC&POWER model is better,u may want to consider OCZ GAMEXSTREAM 700W too,thats another solid PSU.
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Reply to Maziar
I try to build my machines with upgrades in mind, for example, start with a $50 CPU, then upgrade that. after the CPU, a better video card. then its a new mobo and CPU, but keep the vidcard, then replace the vidcard.
maybe add some more memory in there someware, but the next mobo will be DDR3, so you'll need to then.
never get top of the line, and you'll keep you prices down, but still always have up to date stuff that perform better on average than the guy who buys a $3k machine and figures he never has to upgrade.
your 6 year plan is an absolute pipe dream.
6 years ago, a s939 single core was the top of the line CPU (I think costing about $1000), and now its hopelessly out of date.
I purchased a P4 at the time, upgrade graphics and memory. my mom need a new computer, so instead of building her a cheap one, she got mine and I built a system that was comperable, but much more upgradable.
I started fresh with PCIe and DDR2 based system with a $40 CPU and OBG. I got a 7900gs after a few months. when dual cores dropped down under $70 I got one. somewere along the way, I upgraded to 4 gigs of faster ram for $100 (the 2 gigs or DDR2 cost me over $200 initialy). I've been picking up HDDs the whole time. I just placed an order for a 4850. I should get it tomarrow or the next day. I also ordered a new motherboard to build a HTPC. It will use OBG (the best availiable), the old single core $40 cheapy, the $200 ram, and 2 or 3 of my 4 HDDs and an old XP MCE license. my "good" CPU is out of date (not drasticly), but I'll wait to see whats the best upgrade path with between Intel's new socket and whatever AMD manages to come up with. for now my "computer bucks" are spent
my 7900gs will be sold, or I will hold onto it and put it with my current MoBo, the cheap CPU and the $200 ram (basicly my current system after the first upgrade) to give to some family member.
Well if he tells me what resolution will he play then IF he needed to add second GPU in future then he should go for a better PSU(and that PC&POWER 750 will be fine)
------------------------------Q6600@3.4+ TT V1 Cooler,SAPPHIRE HD 4870X2,ASUS MAXIMUS FORMULA,4GB OCZ DDR2 800,LG W2452V 1920x1200
Reply to Maziar
Haha, wow, I went to sleep early after waiting for people to reply, and now there's so many. Anyways, I guess I wasn't clear in my first post. I meant that I wanted my system to last for 6+ years while I upgraded, so I didn't know if it was worth it to buy top notch stuff right now, when I can easily upgrade for cheaper later. I'm playing on my 19'' widescreen samsung, and I think it's 1440x900. That's the max I'll ever go cuz that's the max this thing goes, lol. Idk if I have some extra to spend...
the 4850 is more than enough for curent games on its own at 1440x900. by the time it isn't, 1 gig will be the "minimum recomended", so you wont be able to crossfire it with a 512mb 4850 anyway. with all this physix/cuda crap going on now, maybe you would be ably to use the 4850 for non-graphicsl stuff and a new card for graphics.
I don't know if the scenario I paint is worth the extra money for a crossfire board, but that really the only one I see for you using one.
I don't know how much longer Intel will keep making 775 chips, and how much longer current board will suport them if they do, just try putting a 9450 on one of the first 775 p4 based boards.
like I said get a cheap CPU now, and make that your next major upgrade, but I wouldn't plan one board lasting more than 1 CPU upgrade but you might get lucky. I think an AM2+ board has more upgrade potential than a 775 board, and as I suggest getting a cheap CPU in the begining, there isn't a performance hit for getting a non-Intel.
I'd planned on unpgrading to a dual core (like I did), then a quad core, only to be stuck with a board whos manufacturer doesn't want to bother upgrading BIOS to let me upgrade to a Quad. otherwise I'd have a quad now. I don't think its worth the expense for me to get a top of the line dual core, but I'm tempted.
that's a lot of stuff that I really don't understand. I mean I follow a lot of computer-related news, but still. So what are you ultimately suggesting? Get dual-core for now?
my college experience tells me there will be lots of guys who show up with "ultimate gaming machines" and then realize they'd rather have pizza and beer money after a few months.
if you go to big school out in the sticks, like my alma mater, Michigan Tech, there isn't a big enough comunity around it suport the market, so prices fall and computers go cheap.
if thats the case, you might want to buy one later.
to your question:
a dual core will be cheaper, but need to be upgraded sooner. a dual core will serve you for now, and by the time you "need" an upgrade quads will be cheap.
can you save money? maybe get a good quad core CPU from ma and pa for christmas 2008 or 9? depend on if you spend $50 or $100 on your dual
if you go the longer upgrade path AMD would be better because a socket's pinical processors stay expensive. look at what s478 P4EEs go for. you could buy a new mobo and a dual core for the price of those old CPUs. same could be said for an Opteron 165.
Its hard to say what you should do. I don't know what money or PCs are to you.
for me, If I were starting fresh, what you have looks good. maybe a P45 and a Q9450 instead. but I'd be planning on a new mobo with the next CPU upgrade.
If I were starting fresh, and going to college in a dorm room. I'd get a gaming laptop. or your desktop with a TV tuner and a UMPC. does your planned school have a laptop requirement?
@groo gaming laptops are way too expensive. my school doesn't have a laptop requirement and i really don't think college students need laptops. i think it's just a widely held misconception. if i really need a laptop, i'm going to buy a Dell E for 300 bucks when it comes out. also, if I had a P45 mobo with a dual-core processor, would I need to upgrade my mobo when I upgrade to a quadcore processor?
You're a lucky one...my college required a $2000+ tablet and that thing hardly runs bf2142 with the latest video drivers, but you can't use the latest video drivers with the software the engineering college requires you to use...
To be perfectly honest, I've found I do a better job of keeping notes with pen/paper and imagine the kind of desktop you could build with that kind of cash (or even half of it!)
Of course there's always the Xbox, but who would rather have sticks when you can have a mouse!?
anyways, i have some more questions. does all my stuff work together well? is my psu enough? (i know some of you said no but someone said it's plenty) Any foreseeable compatibility issues?
what I would love is electronic textbooks for my tablet.
it would be so simple to do, and students wouldn't have to foot the inflated bill for short run printing. I paid over $90 for a chemistry book as a freshman that was only ever used to angle up the dorm room TV.
I agree, most student don't need a laptop, but many schools require them. I think part of it is so they dont have to maintain computer labs and get to look "cutting edge" at the same time.
I'm looking at going back to school. 1 school fairly high on my list requires a MacBook Pro ($2500 last I checked) plus another couple of grand in accesories and software. I have no problems with mac software, but I don't like haveing to pay twice (or more) what the hardware is worth to use it.
I've been playing around with the idea of making my tablet a mac clone.
to the main question;
I believe a P45 suports all current Intel 775 quads. It will probably be good for the rest of the socket's life. thats the Intel chipset I would probably buy, but if your set on a future crossfire, it will hurt your performance some. in that case, I'd get a x48.
the PSU is marginal for crossfire. I dont see any problems.
Message edited by Groo on 07-17-2008 at 08:40:15 AM
So i'm keeping everything except the mobo, which I'm going to switch to P5Q P45 instead of the original intent. Will everything on my list work together well? And, you guys have any suggestions for sound cards, network cards, etc.?
does the antec 900 have enough cooling on its own? should i get another fan for that empty fan hole the case comes with? i'm not going to OC until I'm very stable with my system.
You've a good build.
Don't worry about getting a sound card, the onboard sound with the newer motherboards is really quite good.
Q6600 processor is still very strong, and if you get impatient with it a year or two down the road, the board should give you enough overclocking options to make you happy.
The only change I might make is an upgrade on the PSU....definitely go with more wattage. I'd say at least a 650W name brand.
Oh.....and don't expect to buy a gaming laptop unless you have twice the money at least than what you are budgeting for this new build :-)
With what you have here, this should run your monitor very very well at the highest settings. You'll have a blast!!!!
God luck with the build.
I'm soooo excited, haha. I haven't hardcore pc gamed since like starcraft and diablo2 lol. so, i have one last question. the mobo i'm going to get, the p5q p45 doesn't support crossfire. however, the p5q pro p45 does support it. in the future, will crossfire be more used or just single cards?
Here again I don't really like the term future proof, but, I do like the idea of getting the latest and most feature rich components I can while not breaking my budget too badly...lol. Whose to say you're going to stay with the current monitor forever. I run a 24 inch, but did have just a 19 inch before. Now I cannot imagine going back to a smaller monitor. If you plan on perhaps upgrading your monitor at some point in the future, then if you have a Motherboard that's Crossfire capable, you'll have the ability.
With the prices seen from ATI for some very good cards, I think Crossfire and Sli are going to become even more popular than they already are. (if the sale of Dual PCI-E slotted boards are any indication) :-)
For now though, if the budget doesn't allow it, the 4850 should be able to handle just about anything you throw at it, probably including the resource needs of a 24" monitor. They really are a good card.
the P45 suports crossfire at x8 + x8, I skimmed of a review that said that its worth upgrading to a cheap x48 for crossfire. I believe they tested with 4850s.
might be worth searching for that article. It wan't on toms, but someone did link to it here.
Yep....true enough...I seem to recall reading the same review. Here's a link to a review that recommends the X48 or X38 chipset for Crossfire, although I also recall other reviewers thinking it may not necessarily be just the issue with tha fact the P45 boards running two X8 slots... Anyhow definitely go for a X48 board if you can squeeze it into your budget, if not you might be able to find a X38 a little cheaper, (although probably not much)
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