If ATI isn't a possibility at all, the GTX 260 is the one I'd go for with the recent price drops, but it's still not as good of an option IMO as the ATI offerings right now.
Even though I honestly think that for that price range the best option is 2x 4850's from ATI, the guy said NO ATI.
...that means... NO ATI.
Which is the equivalent of NO ATI.
And also translates to NO ATI.
He asked whether the GTX 260 or 9800GTX+ was a better buy. If he has an nVidia chipset and wants to go SLI, obviously ATI is not an option. Perhaps he just sticks to a brand and is ignorant in that sense. Either way, when somebody is dead-set on something, why can't we just answer the question?
That said, I would go for the GTX 260. It depends on the amount you want to spend and your p/p ratio desire, though.
To answer the "why not ati" question, I must reply with the following.. [however unintelligent or ignorant as it may sound]
I have always been Nvidia/Intel. I would not consider myself a "fanboy" of either.. it's more the fact that both of them have been really good to me and I am choosing to support them, whether they are #1 or not.
Flame away internet users, I await thee.
edit/ - It's like a muscle car VS a rice burner... sure one might get better gas mileage, and could be much faster... but I would rather have the muscle car.
To answer the "why not ati" question, I must reply with the following.. [however unintelligent or ignorant as it may sound]
I have always been Nvidia/Intel. I would not consider myself a "fanboy" of either.. it's more the fact that both of them have been really good to me and I am choosing to support them, whether they are #1 or not.
Flame away internet users, I await thee.
I don't think anybody intelligent enough will waste time to flame you.
The smartest choice is to choose whatever brand brings you the best price performance ratio and what you're looking for in the product. Loyalty to a company regardless of the product's quality in comparison to others means you sacrifice your best possible price/performance ratio, but that is up to you.
EDIT: There is something to be said about a company's reputation, and I think it's ridiculous to lay blame on somebody's preference for brands that tend to treat them well. Just as ridiculous as it is to expect somebody to stick with a brand that consistently underperforms.
Hell, I like BFG Tech and bought a few cards because of my experience with them. We're all that way.
Message edited by resonance451 on 08-05-2008 at 07:49:06 PM
i think being loyal to a company is stupid, you should always pick something that will better benefit YOU the BUYER in the end
its lilke intel/amd...people still choose to buy AMD, but seriously, intel is the better buy... personally i've never bought and AMD proc or nVidia gpu because i've never had the oppurtunity, and when i CF'd my 2900's, it was only because i had a x38, if i had the knowledge that i do now a year ago, im sure i wudda went with an 8800....
enuff of my rant, gtx260
Message edited by eklipz330 on 08-05-2008 at 08:31:26 PM
I'm a switch hitter myself I just bought a new laptop and went straight for an Nvidia GPU (8800 GTS) ATI doesn't make anything that comes close to that in terms of performance (keep in mind we're talking mobile parts) Had the roles been reversed, I'd have gladly gotten an ATI based laptop (assuming I could verify Linux support) They're both large, established companies and although they may crank out a few crappy products from time to time... by in large they ultimately correct their mistakes (updated drivers/firmware, recalls, etc)
I think the reason so many people suggested ATI is they're just pointing out what they believe to be the best value... they're not trying to convert you... just save you a little money and get you a little more performance.
since ati isn't an option (i guess you haven't been looking at any reviews the last month?), just wait until all of ATI's better cards force all of nvidias cards to be really cheap and then go with nvidia. and still lose money with nvidias price retardation. but whatever, you like nvidia i guess. and it's cool when people support people that have been good to them. my nvidia experience was a nightmare so i guess i can't see where you're coming from.
EDIT: the gtx 260 is better, have you considered the 9800GX2?
Message edited by hhahaahyea on 08-05-2008 at 09:37:47 PM
I have to agree. ATI may be better on paper, but my experiences thus far point me towards Nvidia. I've owned two ATI cards in the past and two Nvidia cards. Both ATI cards had issues and while they looked good in benchmarks they exhibited flickering from time to time. Both Nvidia cards (including the 8800GT I have now) have worked great. I will still definitely consider ATI in the future but Nvidia definitely has a good reputation with me.
ntune caused my computer to completely lock up. and it was definitely ntune. i'm not a retarded system biulder, i have an nvidia chipset on board and everything. my apg x800 is almost as good as their 8600, it's ridiculous. nvidia only makes decent high end cards and those are really overpriced. my ati experience was much better. simple overclocking etc. my nvidia cards got extremely unstable when overclocking regardless of temps.
I remember back in the day when everyone seemed to think that Intel+Ati and AMD+nVidia worked well together, things surely have changed.... And I have had every combination in my rigs, so I'm not really a loyal customer
What res do you play at? 1600x1200/1680x1050 is the "tie breaker" point. Anything below this you should get the 9800GTX. Higher then this and the 9800GTX starts to need more power. At this point, it depends on how big your pocketbook is.
It also depends on what games you play. If you play mostly RTS games, they are more CPU bound then anything else. You don't need a beefy video card for Supreme Commander, Red Alert 3, CNC3, World in Conflict, etc. What you need is a big CPU to handle all those units.
I also would like to jump on the AMD bandwagon. The 4xxx series is very good, better then what Nvidia has to offer. As soon as the 4870x2 comes out, Nvidia won't even have the performance crown that they are barely holding now. (4870 can in some situations beat the GTX280) You might have had issues before in the past, but these are different cards now. For crying out loud, they even have a different name.
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I would wait until October to decide. By then the 4870x2 will have been out and hopefully the improved GT200 versions. I'm leaning toward the 260 but I'm not happy with the performance/power ratio. If Nvidia is on the ball they should be coming out with something that will compete better with the 4870.
I'm not sure if someone has said it already but if you're going with BFG make sure you register your graphics card with them as soon as you get the card.
If you don't register your card in 30 days after you get it your lifetime warranty goes from 10 years to 1.
I would wait until October to decide. By then the 4870x2 will have been out and hopefully the improved GT200 versions. I'm leaning toward the 260 but I'm not happy with the performance/power ratio. If Nvidia is on the ball they should be coming out with something that will compete better with the 4870.
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