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Fud - Nehalem Will Get 8 cores at 45nm in 2H 2009, Confirmed.

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September 17, 2008 8:28:26 AM

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9471&Itemid=1



At 45nm, confirmed


Nehalem's Chief Architect Ronan Singhal has confirmed Fudzilla that Nehalem will get its eight core version in second half of 2009.


We also learned that such a chip will be more than twice bigger than the quad core Nehalem and that we should expect TDPs around 150W level. The chip will have much more cache than 8MB that you see on Quad core Nehalem-EX, the server part.

Eight-core Nehalem would definitely have a lot of cache and it will come at significantly lower frequency compared to a highest clocked quad core Bloomfield CPUs. We also learned that such a chip will be announced, used and sell as server / workstation part and that Intel investigates does it makes sense to launch such a chip for desktop market.

At this point its unlikely that eight core Nehalem will make it to desktop as in applications such are games it could easily end up slower than quad cores, due its lower clock.

You should look at this chip as a Dunnington 6-core successor and eight core Nehalem will end up as 45nm chip.

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Things to note:

  • It will have a lot of cache
  • It will come at significantly lower frequency compared to Bloomfield
  • We probably won't see these as desktop chips
    September 17, 2008 8:35:14 AM

    WOW holy crap. Too bad they will charge an arm and leg for these Im sure.
    September 17, 2008 10:01:03 AM

    two 8 cores (HT 16 threads each) on an X58 skulltrail with watercooling and overclocked to the max :)  32 threads at one time anyone? :p 
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    September 17, 2008 10:53:53 AM

    Whoa, what happened to Fuad's grammar skills? "More than twice bigger", switching tenses back and forth within one sentence, using singular and plural adjectives and nouns incorrectly...

    I think it's pretty much expected that it will be at least "twice bigger" than a quad core, because it has twice as many cores. :heink: 
    September 17, 2008 11:02:30 AM

    At those great cpus, and that is not in discussion, they will be great CPUs, i got 2 points.

  • Microsoft Kernel
  • Single-threaded apps

    Now, why the hell you want that on a desktop environment ?
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    September 17, 2008 2:26:57 PM

    radnor said:
    At those great cpus, and that is not in discussion, they will be great CPUs, i got 2 points.

  • Microsoft Kernel
  • Single-threaded apps

    Now, why the hell you want that on a desktop environment ?


  • The MS kernel problem can be solved by moving to a more advanced kernel, such as the Linux kernel (256 core support on a standard kernel), but the multithreaded apps will take more time.
    September 17, 2008 2:38:18 PM

    MU_Engineer said:
    The MS kernel problem can be solved by moving to a more advanced kernel, such as the Linux kernel (256 core support on a standard kernel), but the multithreaded apps will take more time.


    Yes, the linux Kernel is pretty good, but most of us enthusiast still use mostly the Microsoft environment and apps.
    Although Wine is getting better by the day, and in some games even playing in the same level than windows, there are loads of problems with this approach.

    And you must a agree for people that never used Linux, the learning curve is rather steep.

    Although i use it daily (Virtualized or not) and i agree is a much better Kernel (and OS) most of us don't need a 8 core 16 thread CPU. For some apps yes. For some jobs yes.

    To have at home, while surfing porn, playing games and troll forums, well............... lets face it. You won't even use half of it.

    September 17, 2008 4:11:53 PM

    It would be great for highly threaded apps. I can see a lot of single and dual socket workstations being sold for video encoding and photoshopping.

    However, I agree with others that I can't see an 8-core chip being appealing to most folks in the desktop market.
    September 17, 2008 4:29:42 PM

    This will be a nice workstation/server chip, but I think it will be awhile before its highly useful on the desktop.
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    September 17, 2008 4:41:29 PM

    Wow! 8 cores! That's just crazy. Very cool, but crazy...

    Agreed, 8 cores is pointless for even the most uber of power enthusiasts. Aside from e-penis, no sense in an 8 core proc for the desktop. Fast quad cores are barely maxed out. Heck for that matter fast dual cores are more than enough!

    Dual cores are just now the mainstream, finally, and it only took 3 years to happen. If the trend continues, 8 core procs won't see the light of the mainstream desktop for another 6-8 years.
    September 17, 2008 4:57:19 PM

    chunkymonster said:
    Aside from e-penis, no sense in an 8 core proc for the desktop.


    LMAO, so true.
    September 17, 2008 4:57:55 PM

    Quote:
    Intel launched seven 45nm Xeon 7400 series processors with up to six processing cores per chip and 16MB of shared cache memory, applications built for virtualized environments and data demanding workloads, such as databases, business intelligence, enterprise resource planning and server consolidation.

    Platforms based on these processors can scale up to 16 processor sockets to deliver servers with up to 96 processing cores inside, offering tremendous scalability, ample computing threads, extensive memory resources and uncompromising reliability for enterprise data centers.

    These products offer frequencies up to 2.66GHz and power levels down to 50 watts, including the first 6-core, x86 compatible 65-watt version which translates to just under 11 watts per processor core, with platforms available in rack, tower and highly dense blade form factors.

    The Xeon 7400 series processor is compatible with Intel's existing Xeon 7300 series platforms and the Intel 7300 chipset with memory capacity up to 256GB, allowing IT departments to quickly deploy the new processor into a stable platform infrastructure.

    Starting today, servers based on the Intel Xeon 7400 series processor are expected to be announced by more than 50 system manufacturers around the world, including four-socket rack servers from Dell, Fujitsu, Fujitsu-Siemens, Hitachi, Hewlett-Packard (HP), IBM, NEC, Sun, Supermicro and Unisys; four-socket blade servers from Egenera, HP, Sun and NEC; and servers that scale up to 16-sockets from IBM, NEC and Unisys.

    Pricing for the Xeon 7000 sequence processors in quantities of 1,000 ranges from US$856 to US$2,729.


    Intel launches Xeon processors with up to six cores
    © DIGITIMES Inc.
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    September 17, 2008 5:01:37 PM

    From a consumer standpoint, yah - It's just be "The Hot Thing in E-Peenery This Season".


    But on the chance someone hasn't read the writing on the wall: Intel is clearly gunning for AMD's share of the Server market. Desktop stuff is just along for the ride at this point.
    September 17, 2008 5:20:52 PM

    Coming from Fudzilla..........it must be true...........;-P
    September 17, 2008 5:38:48 PM

    What's the point? F@H anyone?
    September 17, 2008 5:41:03 PM

    E-peenery at its finest if it hits the desktop market...

    Intel will probably sell it as an extreme version for those uber enthusiast.
    September 17, 2008 5:47:26 PM

    bpogdowz said:
    What's the point? F@H anyone?


    Video cards are actually much more efficient in terms of getting FAH points.
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    September 17, 2008 10:09:04 PM

    ^Yep. I would say this would be best for Video encoding/photo editing. I wounder how fast it would encode a video with the SSE4.2 instructions supported as well....
    September 17, 2008 11:51:36 PM

    caamsa said:
    Coming from Fudzilla..........it must be true...........;-P



    Thank you.

    I Cant beleive I had to go this far into this thread looking for someone to raise that point.

    Which in and of itself doesnt even address the dubious 'reliability' of AMD 'info' these past few years
    September 18, 2008 12:18:16 AM

    Look at my post (12:55pm), digitimes - forget fudzilla ... (hint: digitimes comfirms the info)
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    September 18, 2008 12:35:49 AM

    I am sorry Jake, but I dont see anything about 16 core core i7 just 6 core xeons that are not core i7 based
    September 18, 2008 2:50:05 AM

    Quote:
    Intel launched seven 45nm Xeon 7400 series processors with up to six processing cores per chip and 16MB of shared cache memory


    I was talking about digitimes confirming the Xeon releases ... didn't mean to imply anything about future 16 cores. But I'm not so smug as to discount sources ... that occasionally get it right.
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    September 18, 2008 3:14:46 AM

    ah I get it now, lol
    September 18, 2008 4:59:58 AM

    Jake_Barnes said:
    Look at my post (12:55pm), digitimes - forget fudzilla ... (hint: digitimes comfirms the info)


    I wouldnt trust Fudzilla if they told me sunset was was 1850 local time today....which I know to be true.

    Digitimes I trust.
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    September 18, 2008 6:26:55 AM

    The 16 core CPU would be Sandy Bridge and that would be late 2010 if I remember the road map correctly since Westmere is due out late 2009.

    I have heard many many things about Nehalems 8 core. At first it was supposed to be Westmere the 32nm die shrink. But I have heard of the 8 core Nehalem EX for servers with 8 cores.

    Who knows. We will find out later this year I guess.
    September 18, 2008 6:35:07 AM

    What is anyone going to do with that many cores? Didn't we already split the atom?
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    September 18, 2008 6:40:06 AM

    ryanthesav said:
    What is anyone going to do with that many cores? Didn't we already split the atom?

    Many people will tell you that we didn't, it's all a government coverup to steal our money... somehow.
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    September 18, 2008 6:43:21 AM

    ^Just like landing on the moon.
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    September 18, 2008 6:59:12 AM

    And how the Earth is really flat, but the government and NASA want you to think it's round.
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    September 18, 2008 7:00:29 AM

    ^They use imaging tricks for that one. The Earth is really flat.
    September 18, 2008 7:44:45 AM

    randomizer said:
    And how the Earth is really flat, but the government and NASA want you to think it's round.



    And your girl cat is really a boy cat :kaola: 
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    September 18, 2008 1:54:00 PM

    The 8 core Nehalem is going to be big and mean ... but a bit slower

    That sounds just like the latest 260 / 280 Nvidia Graphics cards ...

    Impressive, hot, complex, expensive to make, too expensive to buy ... blistering fast at a few things but not across the board.

    Do you think that might be a distinct possibility??

    Thats what came to mind when I read this.

    !