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Power Cooler 4870 With Crysis 20-30 fps low?

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August 11, 2008 7:58:42 PM

Crysis DX 10. No AA All Settings on High. 1680X1050

PC Specs
E8400 @3.0 Stock
4GB Crucial DDR2 SDRAM 800
4870
WD 640GB SE16
Asus rampage formula


4870 Temps 45C Idle with fan speed at 40%
While playing Crysis...55-60C.\

Fps...18-30....mostly at 25 or so....

Isn't that kind of low for a 4870? What can you reccomend? I am open to OCing the E8400 and getting a new cooler and I'm open to OCing the GPU


Thanks
August 11, 2008 10:11:48 PM

Overall its not that surprising for Crysis. I have 2x 4850's and I get about the same frame rates as you although I do run AA at 2x (although I had to drop it down for the final battle on aircraft carrier). Crysis has never seemed to like ATI cards that much and pretty much ignores crossfire. I run the game as well on one card as I do with the second card enabled. Hopefully this will improve somewhat with future driver updates but overall I would say its just mostly Crysis. When I benchmark, all high settings 1680x1050 DX 10 with 2xAA I get 24fps. With Crossfire enabled I get about 25fps.

I heard that the new version of Crysis coming out in a month or two is better optimized for dual core processors as well as newer and multiple GPU setups. Lets just hope so.
August 11, 2008 10:28:40 PM

Crysis's biggest downfall was letting Nvidia help out, and then Nvidia couldn't deliver drivers for the end product. Maybe this time around they will keep the door shut on Nvidia and design a game that can run on other rigs.
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August 11, 2008 10:38:42 PM

If only playing at High, set it at DX9, no quality difference that I could see but much better FPS. The problem isn't the card, it's Crysis :p .
August 11, 2008 10:51:53 PM

I have the same result with sapphire 4870 ;) 
August 11, 2008 10:56:09 PM

What's your gpu load? 4870 runs hot. Some people get 100+C on stress tests. 55-60C is way too low for max load. Your graphics card may be bottlenecked in some way.

On 1280x1024 DX10 all high settings, I get 45+ fps min on an old 8800gts. Something is wrong there.
August 11, 2008 11:32:52 PM

You left out the PSU which is uber important!!!!! Whats your PSU?

Its possible that the GPU is downclocking due to the PSU not giving enough.

I have seen reviews (and an idividual) running Crysis @ 1680x1050 all high and 2xAA getting avearge 30-40FPS.

Either way Crysis is not very well optimized for hardware. The expansion is supposed to carry a better version of the engine and hopefully that engine upgrade gets released for the game itself as well.
August 12, 2008 3:21:09 AM

WEll I knew my PSu wasnt the problem since its a 750 WAtt corsair.


Dagger, isnt playing crysis basically under load?
August 12, 2008 3:29:23 AM

I can't say I KNEW it wasn't the problem but i assumed that the PSU wouldn't be the problem but who knows it could be.
August 12, 2008 3:40:34 AM

Just crysis.

I'm guessing your other game run fine.
August 12, 2008 3:40:44 PM

If its a Corsair 750W it should have plenty of AMPs on the 12v rails to keep your GPU happy. Corsair makes some good PSUs.

I can't think of what then. Did you load the latest Crysis patch?
August 12, 2008 4:39:41 PM

It is the Crysis Affect...no worries. Yes ^ did you get all of the hotfixes and patches and stuff? Browse through Techpowerup's download section for a list if you haven't.


Edit:

The Crysis Affect: The act of Crysis negatively impacting a system's performance to the point at which one becomes utterly distraught. The Crysis Affect has been known to cause Crytosis.

Crytosis: Intense irritation, obsessive compulsive disorder, and insomnia caused by the Crysis Affect. Crytosis has no known cure. Side affects lead one to believe their system is defective. :sol: 


There should be a sticky about poor crysis performance. "Having Low FPS in Crysis" ......EVERYONE IS!!!
August 12, 2008 7:56:06 PM

lol spinach ^

I will do that ASAP jimmy
August 14, 2008 5:46:44 PM

Updated to the newest drivers and did some configuring and my low went Fps went to like 28-40 now. =) So its a little better...

Thanks guys
August 14, 2008 6:37:37 PM

^Thats more like it. I saw a preview of the 4870X2 and it got 40-50FPS in Crysis at 1680x1050 very high with like 4xAA.

So if your get another 4870 for CF you should boost your performance by about 30%.

The only other thing that could increase performance is if the more optimized engine (or so Crytek says) in Crysis Warhammer gets put out as a patch for Crysis.
August 14, 2008 6:44:56 PM

But warhammer will have a better engine for sure?
August 14, 2008 6:46:47 PM

I mean, crysis warhead
August 14, 2008 9:09:22 PM

dagger said:
What's your gpu load? 4870 runs hot. Some people get 100+C on stress tests. 55-60C is way too low for max load. Your graphics card may be bottlenecked in some way.

On 1280x1024 DX10 all high settings, I get 45+ fps min on an old 8800gts. Something is wrong there.



His temperatures are perfectly ok, he is running the fan at 40% , that cools down the card a lot... 100C is something wrong I would say :) 
August 15, 2008 12:52:54 AM

stevozilik said:
His temperatures are perfectly ok, he is running the fan at 40% , that cools down the card a lot... 100C is something wrong I would say :) 

I wouldn't think so. Benchmarkers get 97C at 70% fan load. That gpu is not fully stressed.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870...
August 15, 2008 7:35:41 AM

I have a PowerColor HD4870 and on 40% fan speed it runs about 60C at full load.

The results you are showing might by caused by not correclty working cooling system. Those are 1,5 months old anyway, so it's probobly some kind of premature sollution, I wouldn't take is as the real picture...
August 15, 2008 8:12:05 AM

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I wouldn't think so. Benchmarkers get 97C at 70% fan load. That gpu is not fully stressed.


I run F@H client for the GPU - load is 95-96% constant. I run it at least 8-9 hours a day on my ATI 4870 with fan speed set at 45%. The GPU never exceeds 58 degrees. After 2 hours of Crysis the temps are 55 degrees. The stock cooler works beautifully.
My FPS in Crysis is low (25-30 high 1280x1024), but all other games are maxed out. For me I guess is the bottleneck from the CPU. Maybe in the future I will OC it. But other than that I love my 4870 :love: 
August 15, 2008 12:25:01 PM

@40% fan speed it shouldn't get anywhere near 100. At 40% mine gets to about 60 max.
August 15, 2008 1:40:30 PM

bmwm3oz said:
But warhammer will have a better engine for sure?


According to a article in PC Gamer with a interview with the head guy at Crytek he said it should be better optimized.

hallowed_dragon said:
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I wouldn't think so. Benchmarkers get 97C at 70% fan load. That gpu is not fully stressed.


I run F@H client for the GPU - load is 95-96% constant. I run it at least 8-9 hours a day on my ATI 4870 with fan speed set at 45%. The GPU never exceeds 58 degrees. After 2 hours of Crysis the temps are 55 degrees. The stock cooler works beautifully.
My FPS in Crysis is low (25-30 high 1280x1024), but all other games are maxed out. For me I guess is the bottleneck from the CPU. Maybe in the future I will OC it. But other than that I love my 4870 :love: 


Yep. Do a OC to 3GHz and you should see your FPS jump up a bit.
August 15, 2008 1:46:25 PM

I'll throw another confirmation in, I have 3 profiles setup:

Cool Desktop: 20% fan (Temps Idle around 65, gpu not stressed)
High Speed: 40% fan (Temps Idle around 60, under stress max around 85)
Crossfire Gaming: 60% fan (Temps Idle around 55, under stress max around 80)

The only time my card approached 100 degress was before I did the fan fix, then I was hititng 99 while gaming.

One thing to keep in mind is temps will vary based on your case and airflow. My case has a 120mm front and rear fan. Each of the fans has 3 speed settings. By upping the fans from slow to medium I can drop the temps of EVERYTHING in my case by about 2 - 5 degrees. One of my 4850's sits near the very bottom of my case, this card use to idle about 10 degrees higher than the 4850 sitting up higher. I ramped up the front fan and it brought the temps within 3 -5 degrees of my other 4850.
August 15, 2008 2:34:17 PM

I don't know if you guys are talking about me but I never said my graphics card or anything gets that hot. The highest I've seen my GPU at since I put the fan speed at 40% is 60C. My CPU stays about 43 the highest and thats at stock cooling. everything else in my case is cool...I'm pretty happy about the case, its a bang for buck for sure...although I still miss my Antec 900 which is back in Seattle sitting there aging :( 
August 15, 2008 2:56:54 PM

Strangly low temperatures. :p 

Other benchmarkers get similar temperatures. Most games don't fully stress consistantly. Just like how you would use prime95 instead of a browser to stress a cpu, you should use a stress tester to stress gpu. This is a decent one.
http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/
August 15, 2008 3:33:11 PM

Why does it matter what the full stress temps are at when my computer will never get there anyways?
August 15, 2008 3:43:11 PM

bmwm3oz said:
Why does it matter what the full stress temps are at when my computer will never get there anyways?

It doesn't matter. Lower temperature is simply a sign that it is not at full stress, which indicates that another part of your computer is holding back/bottlenecking the video card. It's a way of ruling out the card as source of performance slowdown.
August 16, 2008 3:32:46 AM

Oh ok. But I think everything is performing great ever since I updated the drviers...

But Ok i will test this thing out and post the results here.
August 16, 2008 10:11:29 AM

do you want the results
August 16, 2008 10:13:57 AM

I tested with 1680X1050 with MSAA on 8X and the temp on the GPu would not go over 60C.
August 16, 2008 10:24:54 AM

After 10 minutes of testing the highest it would go was 69C.
August 16, 2008 4:09:08 PM

Well another thing was I tried Crysis in Dx9 cause I was playing it at DX10 and I realized that DX10 literally takes like 20 fps away from the game...However I personally think it looks quite a bit better but... With DX 90 I easily had over 35Fps at almost all times, up to 45....Makes it a lot more playable but doesn't look as good.

August 16, 2008 4:42:25 PM

bmwm3oz said:
Well another thing was I tried Crysis in Dx9 cause I was playing it at DX10 and I realized that DX10 literally takes like 20 fps away from the game...However I personally think it looks quite a bit better but... With DX 90 I easily had over 35Fps at almost all times, up to 45....Makes it a lot more playable but doesn't look as good.

Did you updated Crysis? I heard that the patches address DX10 performance slowdowns of first retail version.

As for temperature testing, you should turn off AA. With it on, the memory bus will bottleneck gpu, thus preventing it from working at full load. It's the same as how you wouldn't use Blend Test in Prime95 to stress cpu. You're not really stressing what you want.
August 17, 2008 7:34:59 PM

Ok well I have an update to make...

I uninstalled all my drivers and did a total driver clean...Then I re-installed the 8.7 driver from the ATi website....

Crysis DX9 High settings No AA. 40+Fps literally at all times...up to 60.

Dx 10 High settings NO AA- 35+ at all times , very very playable looks nice

DX 10 VERY HIGH settings NO AA- 25-35...

This is a HUGE improvement so I suggest to anyone who has a 4870 to completely clear all your drivers and start from the beginning if you haven't done so. My GPu temp during Crysis is 55C. 43C idle. Stock fan

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