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August 12, 2008 7:34:18 PM

well then , the early test from tom's is in , the drivers arent much cop yet , but both nvidia and ati are both culprits for getting the drivers efficent in time for the hardware release , but the tests clearly show that the 4870x2 is the new king of the graphics cards. totally winning on the most important game - crysis. all us ati fans can say one thing .... told you so.
even toms crown it as the new 1st place card. hurrah for all the ati fans out there and nvidia heres your wake up call :) 
nuff said!

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August 12, 2008 7:42:53 PM

samuraiblade said:
well then , the early test from tom's is in , the drivers arent much cop yet , but both nvidia and ati are both culprits for getting the drivers efficent in time for the hardware release , but the tests clearly show that the 4870x2 is the new king of the graphics cards. totally winning on the most important game - crysis. all us ati fans can say one thing .... told you so.
even toms crown it as the new 1st place card. hurrah for all the ati fans out there and nvidia heres your wake up call :) 
nuff said!

Faster than SLI'd 280GTX's. [:mousemonkey:2] , which with two GPU's is what it should be compared to.
August 12, 2008 7:47:03 PM

Actually, the 4870X2 should be compared to SLI'd GTX 260s considering that the 4870 and 260 usually trade blows in both price and performance so their doubles (SLI and the X2) should be compared in terms of price and performance as well. But if the 4870X2 is beating the GTX 280 in SLI, then I guess that's that, lol.
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August 12, 2008 7:50:32 PM

aye true but prices are always slightly inflated upon release as the 'rich kids' will always buy it asap just to be first with one regardless of cost , hence all manufacturers cash in on this 'easy money' time period , give it a couple of months and it will drop in price.

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Faster than SLI'd 280GTX's. [:mousemonkey:2] , which with two GPU's is what it should be compared to.


nope , its still a single card and unless they release a 280gtx x2 then thats poppy **** , two RV700's are comparable to the size of a single gtx GPU afaik. also price wise 2 times 280 gtx would be a hell of alot more expensive , when the 4870x2 price drops after initial rush then it will cost similar amounts to own 2 of them , therefore a comparision of 3x280gtx agianst 2x4870X2 should be done , id expect the ati to still come out on top tbh.

i figured this would cause a mass feedback , but im interested to see opinions on both fronts :) 
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August 12, 2008 7:51:11 PM

mathiasschnell said:
Actually, the 4870X2 should be compared to SLI'd GTX 260s considering that the 4870 and 260 usually trade blows in both price and performance so their doubles (SLI and the X2) should be compared in terms of price and performance as well. But if the 4870X2 is beating the GTX 280 in SLI, then I guess that's that, lol.

Link to source please.
August 12, 2008 7:54:36 PM

Its still the fastest single card out there, like all you Nvidia boys were claiming about the 280 not long ago. If it uses one slot its one card.

Besides 2x 280= $800= bomb.

Also the precious 280 was $650 when it came out, and the only reason it came down was pressure from ATI using to cards in xfire for way less $$ was still better bang for buck.

The 4870 x2 will come down when Nvidia can put the presuure on again, but it wont be to soon since Nvidia stocks have dropped 52% lately due to all the bad chips in mobile and the poor performing chipsets.
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August 12, 2008 7:57:23 PM

samuraiblade said:
aye true but prices are always slightly inflated upon release as the 'rich kids' will always buy it asap just to be first with one regardless of cost , hence all manufacturers cash in on this 'easy money' time period , give it a couple of months and it will drop in price.

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Faster than SLI'd 280GTX's. [:mousemonkey:2] , which with two GPU's is what it should be compared to.


nope , its still a single card and unless they release a 280gtx x2 then thats poppy **** , two RV700's are comparable to the size of a single gtx GPU afaik. also price wise 2 times 280 gtx would be a hell of alot more expensive , when the 4870x2 price drops after initial rush then it will cost similar amounts to own 2 of them , therefore a comparision of 3x280gtx agianst 2x4870X2 should be done , id expect the ati to still come out on top tbh.

i figured this would cause a mass feedback , but im interested to see opinions on both fronts :) 

IMHO two GPU's should be compared with two GPU's because regardless of whether they share the same PCB or not Crossfire or SLI drivers are still utilised.
August 12, 2008 7:58:35 PM

i think he miss understood you tbh , your qoute on first post gave the impression you ment it was faster , the little emote of deep thought was a bit subtle :) . i knew what you ment though.

on that front though looking at the figures it will be a close run thing between sli'd 280gtx and a 4870X2 , different games will produce different winners . i.e i suspect Race Driver Grid to be won by the ati solution , but Crysis to come out on top with nvidia's due to raw processing power , but the price would play a definative part , as for a little extra i could have
Two 4870X2's! which would destroy all tbh. i cant wait to see those results when someone finally does it and the drivers work well :) 
August 12, 2008 7:59:56 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Link to source please.


just a quick search for benchies:

4870x2 beats gtx280 SLI (and tri-SLI) at 1920x1200 res
http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-X2--...

btw, ati cards generally improve in framerates with newer driver releases so my bet is its going to get even a little better as the driver support matures.
August 12, 2008 8:01:26 PM

Mousemonkey said:
IMHO two GPU's should be compared with two GPU's because regardless of whether they share the same PCB or not Crossfire or SLI drivers are still utilised.


2 PCBs = 2 slots = fail

you can't really compare 2 cards to one even if there are dual GPUs on a single card.
August 12, 2008 8:02:35 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Link to source please.


Wasn't quite what I was trying to say. I thought you were the one who was claiming 4870X2 > SLI GTX 280s first, but regardless, here.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3372&p=4

Seems like in about 3/4 of those games the 4870X2 comes out on top, which could be attributed to the 1 GB of GDDR5 per core.

samuraiblade said:
Two 4870X2's! which would destroy all tbh. i cant wait to see those results when someone finally does it and the drivers work well :) 


Actually, the scaling for two 4870X2s is pretty bad, sometimes even makes them perform worse. Whether this is because of drivers, not enough CPU power or simply all the cores not being utilized is anyone's guess.
August 12, 2008 8:05:49 PM

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IMHO two GPU's should be compared with two GPU's because regardless of whether they share the same PCB or not Crossfire or SLI drivers are still utilised.


i disagree , its still a single card solution , if you havent got an sli board or a crossfire board then this is the only way.
does that make it unfair to compare the E8400 to the AMD phenom? due to different amount of cores? no as there still on one solution. but if i was to compare the E9450 on a single board to a skulltrail setup with 2 processors on then yes as there seperate entitys.

anyway before we yell about it lets see what the results regarding what you suggest , i.e 4870X2 vs 280gtx sli . might still be a close run thing.
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August 12, 2008 8:06:20 PM

xxjudgmentxx said:
just a quick search for benchies:

4870x2 beats gtx280 SLI (and tri-SLI) at 1920x1200 res
http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-X2--...

btw, ati cards generally improve in framerates with newer driver releases so my bet is its going to get even a little better as the driver support matures.

Why didn't you post this page? http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-X2--AMD-Back-On-Top/?page=7 or this one http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-X2--AMD-Back-On-Top/?page=8 or this, the all important Crysis one http://hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-X2--AMD-Back-On-Top/?page=8 20FPS in the wrong direction perhaps? [:mousemonkey:2]
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August 12, 2008 8:07:51 PM

xxjudgmentxx said:
2 PCBs = 2 slots = fail

you can't really compare 2 cards to one even if there are dual GPUs on a single card.

But I can, and will. :kaola: 
August 12, 2008 8:08:24 PM

i apologize mathiasschnell , but glad i have too tbh :D  thanks for link and theres your proof mousemonkey :) 

also as i said the nvidia solution was bound to beat it in crysis , but 20fps for how much more money!!!. one game aint a big victory especially at that margin :) 
August 12, 2008 8:15:13 PM



you're still comparing $800 to $550 where the $800 setup only wins some of the time and not always by more than a few FPS
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August 12, 2008 8:15:46 PM

samuraiblade said:
i apologize mathiasschnell , but glad i have too tbh :D  thanks for link and theres your proof mousemonkey :) 

also as i said the nvidia solution was bound to beat it in crysis , but 20fps for how much more money!!!. one game aint a big victory especially at that margin :) 

Not loading for me at the moment so I'll have to take a look later, but for now I like your link to a review that shows the SLi setup on top. :D 

http://www.hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1197/cry.p...
August 12, 2008 8:17:39 PM

Mousemonkey, you ere one of those peeps claiming the 280 was the best single card, well now its not. If it fits in one PCI E slot its one card, it dont matter how you look at it. ATI wins this round, get over it! Nvidia might come back after they dig out of the current Crysis they are in.
August 12, 2008 8:19:38 PM

until either AMD or Nvidia can put two cores in one die or at "least" have shared memory, two GPU's in one PCB is still just a fancy Xfire or SLI.

So the 4870 X2 is still Xfire with some extra ram for "each" GPU. Hence, it should be compared to two 280GTX in SLI. Two GPU's with separate memory, same difference.
August 12, 2008 8:22:53 PM

warezme said:
until either AMD or Nvidia can put two cores in one die or at "least" have shared memory, two GPU's in one PCB is still just a fancy Xfire or SLI.

So the 4870 X2 is still Xfire with some extra ram for "each" GPU. Hence, it should be compared to two 280GTX in SLI. Two GPU's with separate memory, same difference.





No matter how much you cry, 1 slot = 1 card.
August 12, 2008 8:25:49 PM

warezme said:
until either AMD or Nvidia can put two cores in one die or at "least" have shared memory, two GPU's in one PCB is still just a fancy Xfire or SLI.

So the 4870 X2 is still Xfire with some extra ram for "each" GPU. Hence, it should be compared to two 280GTX in SLI. Two GPU's with separate memory, same difference.


you cant compare a two-slot solution to a single-slot solution.
2 gtx280s is the max you can have (let's be real, tri-SLI isn't all that great)

one 4870X2 is only half of your motherboard's potential graphics power
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August 12, 2008 8:26:49 PM

IMO, 2 GPUs can and should be compared to one in many cases. However, the price should be considered when making the comparison (so a pair of 280s would need to be quite a bit better than a single 4870x2 to be worth it, due to the extra cost).
August 12, 2008 8:30:16 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
No matter how much you cry, 1 slot = 1 card.


Not crying that goes for Nvidia or AMD/ATI (2 GPU's with individual non shared memory, still using X-Fire or SLI is still two cards on one PCB, not one true single card.)

The sad thing is they will be marketed as 2GB cards and poor newbs won't even realize its still just 1GB, just like the guys who believe their X2 cards have 1GB of RAM when each GPU can only use 512 and thats the limit.
August 12, 2008 8:32:05 PM

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you mean an NVIDIA optimized game runs better on NVIDIA hardware?

no way!
rofl , touchay!

if we wanna quote optimized games shall we look at Race Driver GRID mousemonkey? :) 

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Mousemonkey, you ere one of those peeps claiming the 280 was the best single card, well now its not. If it fits in one PCI E slot its one card, it dont matter how you look at it. ATI wins this round, get over it! Nvidia might come back after they dig out of the current Crysis they are in.



lol subtle i like it :) 
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August 12, 2008 8:33:04 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Mousemonkey, you ere one of those peeps claiming the 280 was the best single card, well now its not. If it fits in one PCI E slot its one card, it dont matter how you look at it. ATI wins this round, get over it! Nvidia might come back after they dig out of the current Crysis they are in.

No I was not.
August 12, 2008 8:35:24 PM

I remember. Yuou most definately was.
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August 12, 2008 8:39:55 PM

samuraiblade said:
well then , the early test from tom's is in , the drivers arent much cop yet , but both nvidia and ati are both culprits for getting the drivers efficent in time for the hardware release , but the tests clearly show that the 4870x2 is the new king of the graphics cards. totally winning on the most important game - crysis. all us ati fans can say one thing .... told you so.
even toms crown it as the new 1st place card. hurrah for all the ati fans out there and nvidia heres your wake up call :) 
nuff said!

It was you who first mentioned Crysis in your original post, so lets stick with it, after all it is 'the most important game'. :ange:  :lol: 
August 12, 2008 8:42:14 PM

Well a fair comparison would be a full system...

So dual 4870x2's VS Triple 280's

Seeing as nothing more can be fit in a single machine and there is no more money in our wallets, I declare this a fair comparison.

I for one am happy for ATI, I may even give up my old 8800 GTX for one of these 4870x2
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August 12, 2008 8:43:34 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
I remember. Yuou most definately was.

Then please post a link to the post to which you refer please, as I have no recollection.
August 12, 2008 8:45:36 PM

i agree it is what alot set the benchmark with , but as tomshardware said in there review

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Its advantage over the GeForce GTX 280 comes in at 77% in 2560x1600, and increases even more to 118% once the anti-aliasing is activated, even if this mode remains unplayable.


118% says it all tbh :) 

im gonna have to sell my new 4870 on ebay for a good price now so i can get one of these beasts :p  , said i wasnt gonna but now ive seen it i cant resist!

i glad you agree with me grieve on the comparison btw :) 

am i correct in saying even people with nvidia boards can run this card btw? as its internal crossfire?
this would be great for those changing allegiance
August 12, 2008 8:52:38 PM

Lets not for get some of these benches that are posted are running similar setups accross the board.

Nvidia cards are running on Nvidia chipsets. A tuned setup.

ATI cards are running on Intel chipsets. Tuned for Intel with xfire support.

Now we all know Nvidia chipsets are horrible overclockers, especially with quads.

Lets say Joe buys a Nvidia system and cant hardly get it to OC at all. 3.0GHz
Now Bob buys a P45/x48 he overclocks to 4.0. Yay bob wins by a huge margin.

You Nvidia fanboys got to see that you really are missing out in performance potential cause once you crank up the FSB and get them Intel CPUs going the Crossfire setup is gonna mop the floor no matter how you look at it because the crossfires entire system in general can run faster.
August 12, 2008 8:55:37 PM

can i be bob! . got a X48 last month , my E8400 runs at 4ghz , and im gonna get the 4870X2 next month if wages permit :) 
August 12, 2008 8:56:57 PM

Mousemonkey said:
IMHO two GPU's should be compared with two GPU's because regardless of whether they share the same PCB or not Crossfire or SLI drivers are still utilised.


Are you also suggesting we shouldn't compare dual core cpus to quad core cpus cuz one has a few more cores than the others and it makes it totally unfair? So the next time someone says their Q6600 @ 3.6ghz is faster than my E6750 @ 3.6ghz I will now tell them nope. You have 2 more cores. Can't compare, nope, nope, nope. a Q6600 has 2 dies in the same package a 4870X2 has 2 GPU's on the same PCB. They fit in the same socket, one socket, They should be compared the same. The cards fit in the same slot and also one single slot. Think about it a little. Fanboyism slows progression. Nvidia didn't come through this round. Live with it :non: 
August 12, 2008 8:57:43 PM

samuraiblade said:
can i be bob! . got a X48 last month , my E8400 runs at 4ghz , and im gonna get the 4870X2 next month if wages permit :) 



Yup you can be Bob, good choices. Now all you need is some Enzyte, for that big boost of confidence.
August 12, 2008 9:02:23 PM

oh btw mousemonkey on your benchmark post for crysis you omitted this bit at the bottom!

from hothardware.com
Quote:
It appears Crysis would not scale past two GPUs with the Radeon HD 4800 series cards. The Radeon HD 4870 X2 performs right on par with a pair of Radeon HD 4870 cards running in CrossFire mode. Pairing up the Radeon HD 4870 X2 cards in a four-GPU CrossFireX configuration didn't help performance, however. Overall, all of the NVIDIA SLI configurations put up better scores in this test. We expect future driver revisions to significantly help the Radeon HD 4870 X2 CrossFireX configuration here though.


also the benchmarks were at 1900x1000

this is the important one m8



oh look whats at the top! . balls back in your court m8 :D 
August 12, 2008 9:05:05 PM

oh and heres grid to show what happens when the game uses ati solutions well.



hmmm is that a single 4870X2 above 2x280gtx in sli me thinks!
August 12, 2008 9:07:21 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Now we all know Nvidia chipsets are horrible overclockers, especially with quads.

Lets say Joe buys a Nvidia system and cant hardly get it to OC at all. 3.0GHz
Now Bob buys a P45/x48 he overclocks to 4.0. Yay bob wins by a huge margin.

You Nvidia fanboys got to see that you really are missing out in performance potential cause once you crank up the FSB and get them Intel CPUs going the Crossfire setup is gonna mop the floor no matter how you look at it because the crossfires entire system in general can run faster.


dunno you sound more "fan" atycal than any other I have read so far??

And unless you have actually owned an Nvidia chipset I dont believe you are qualified to make a blanket statement on the overclocability of the Nvidia chipset especially when it relates to quads. I have run both 680i SLI and 780i SLI chipsets from Nvidia and I can guarantee you that the only limitation to its overclocking was the CPU mainly related to voltage tolerance and temperature.

Neither chipset had problems OC'ing my Quads over 3.8Ghz or higher and that was before Penryn or Yorkfields where even released. There are many who can attest to that.

But before you make another baseless blanket statement about my loyalties to Intel, Nvidia or ATI/AMD, I don't plan to upgrade to anything short of a Nehalem class machine with whatever video manufacture happens to be on top at that time. Neither 280GTX nor 4870(whatever) interest me in the least at this point.

My only perspective is that the 4870X2 or 38XX X2 or 9800X2 or whatever are NOT true single card solutions and should never be sold as such let alone compared in that way.


August 12, 2008 9:07:31 PM

Spank, Spank, Spank. ATI wins this round by huge margins. Good for them. Hopefully they will pull a rabbit out of the hat on the CPUs, competition is GREAT.
August 12, 2008 9:12:26 PM

Who cares about FPS! The 4870x2 looks way sexier than the 280...looks like something batman would have in his computer.
August 12, 2008 9:13:57 PM

warezme said:
dunno you sound more "fan" atycal than any other I have read so far??

And unless you have actually owned an Nvidia chipset I dont believe you are qualified to make a blanket statement on the overclocability of the Nvidia chipset especially when it relates to quads. I have run both 680i SLI and 780i SLI chipsets from Nvidia and I can guarantee you that the only limitation to its overclocking was the CPU mainly related to voltage tolerance and temperature.

Neither chipset had problems OC'ing my Quads over 3.8Ghz or higher and that was before Penryn or Yorkfields where even released. There are many who can attest to that.

But before you make another baseless blanket statement about my loyalties to Intel, Nvidia or ATI/AMD, I don't plan to upgrade to anything short of a Nehalem class machine with whatever video manufacture happens to be on top at that time. Neither 280GTX nor 4870(whatever) interest me in the least at this point.

My only perspective is that the 4870X2 or 38XX X2 or 9800X2 or whatever are NOT true single card solutions and should never be sold as such let alone compared in that way.






I never said that Nvidia cant OC , I have seen a handfull that do. But Intel chipsets are a quarantee, everytime.
I read posts everyday about all the problems people have with Nvidia chipsets. Theres not many Intel chipset problems, most Intel problems are user error.

I said it before and I will say it again.
1 slot = 1 card.
Yup its one card and it has two GPUs. Its called advanced technology, but its still one card.
So are you saying a Intel quad core aint one CPU, its actually two CPUS?
A Intel Quad is indeed 1 CPU with 2 dies. Again we got advanced technology, but its still one CPU that fits in one socket.
August 12, 2008 9:23:48 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
I never said that Nvidia cant OC , I have seen a handfull that do. But Intel chipsets are a quarantee, everytime.
I read posts everyday about all the problems people have with Nvidia chipsets. Theres not many Intel chipset problems, most Intel problems are user error.

I said it before and I will say it again.
1 slot = 1 card.
Yup its one card and it has two GPUs. Its called advanced technology, but its still one card.
So are you saying a Intel quad core aint one CPU, its actually two CPUS?
A Intel Quad is indeed 1 CPU with 2 dies. Again we got advanced technology, but its still one CPU that fits in one socket.


thank god at least one person uses logic on occasion.
August 12, 2008 9:29:24 PM

aye xxjudgmentxx , my thoughts too , funny thing is the nvidia die hard fans are just nit picking on the GPU front as they cant quote '280gtx' is the most powerful single card solution line anymore , the new line now reads:

Quote:
Believe it or not - the best just got better. For the first time ever, 2.4 teraFLOPS of graphics horsepower, 1600 stream processors and 2 GB of GDDR5 memory have been combined to create the fastest and most powerful graphics card available today.


and thats from resellers and ATI themselfs :) 
August 12, 2008 9:46:21 PM

How would the 4870 x2 perform on a nvidia chipset mobo?
With benchmarks like that it would not suprise me that lots of nvidia-fans will be switching to ati with their nvidia boards (me included)
August 12, 2008 9:49:37 PM

who gives 2 hoots about if its 2 cards or not the fact of the matter is that ATI and Nvidia have card that performance close to the same which means that there will be a insuring price war which means in the end we win by getting high end cards at a cheaper price then $500+ a card.

=3 and thats all i have to say about that. ;D


EDIT - i mean seriously in this economy (i live in the States and i think everyone everywhere computer hardware is expensive) does it really matter if its 1 Card/GPU or 2. In the end you can buy a high end card from either company you see fit and not 1 company has a hudge advantage and thusly won't charge 600+ for it...im sure we all remember how much a 8800GTX still was after being out for 1 year...500-600bones.
August 12, 2008 10:01:42 PM

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How would the 4870 x2 perform on a nvidia chipset mobo?
With benchmarks like that it would not suprise me that lots of nvidia-fans will be switching to ati with their nvidia boards (me included)


aye i made a similar comment earlier , i think the card will run fine on a nvidia board afaik after looking at how the card works it will be no different to running it on and intel board. all the 'crossfire' bit is done by a chip onboard so i cant see there being any performance hit on either chipset. but dont quote me on that as im seeing some places say you need a crossfire board?
August 12, 2008 10:10:38 PM

FatFunkey said:
who gives 2 hoots about if its 2 cards or not the fact of the matter is that ATI and Nvidia have card that performance close to the same which means that there will be a insuring price war which means in the end we win by getting high end cards at a cheaper price then $500+ a card.


so far we've proved (in benchmarks and so forth) that ATIs new card is as good as TWO GTX280s, i wouldn't call the difference between one 280 and one 4870X2 all that close.
August 12, 2008 10:12:43 PM

@mouse monkey:

4870 x2 is as much two gpu cards as E6750 is two processors ;P
...

face it nvidia fanboys :p  this one is for ATI , and you should glad
because your nvidia cards are less expensive now :) 

win, win ppl :) 
August 12, 2008 10:16:27 PM

xxjudgmentxx said:
so far we've proved (in benchmarks and so forth) that ATIs new card is as good as TWO GTX280s, i wouldn't call the difference between one 280 and one 4870X2 all that close.


Yes but a price war will insue. See Nvidia will probably lower the price of the 280 even more so no matter what you win with lower costing cards.
and 50 bucks says Nvid will counter with a 280GTX2 style animal that well..will probably be (Logically thinking) still have 4870X2 the top but prices will possibly drop even more on these cards.

I honestly never liked Fanboys when it came to Videocards they always was a small gap of 10fps or so and people are like ZOMG PWNED.

I dont care as long as i don't have to sell and arm and a leg for a high end GPU :3..the diffrfents in actuall technology as to what supports what isn't that big anymore...i mean no games really are supported by PhysX either if some one counters with that..except a handful of unknowns and UT3 and Nvid has openly said that they would give the code to ATI and someone has already cracked it if im not mistaken.
August 12, 2008 10:25:58 PM

btw guys one question:

Is there a site that compares 4870 x2 pcie 1.1b and pcie 2.0 ?
I've still got an pcie 1.1.... I know there's no difference between 4870 pcie 1.1 and 2.0 (according to someguys mark something test)
but I think looking at the memory bandwidth of 4870 x2 , pcie 1.1 might be a very noticable bottleneck.....
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