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funkmaster   08-13-2008 at 03:18:12 AM

I have an older pc with p4 3.2ghz and a pci expressx16 1.0 motherboard and ati x700.

Both these cards can be found really cheap here in australia ($70 and $120 aus).
I've got enough cash for the 9600gt but its pci 2.0 instead of 1.0 for the 8600gt.

I hear the 9600gt is still compatible on the 1.0 slot but was wondering if performance would be lower by a significant margin (as low as 8600gt). If so I would buy the 8600gt.

Thanks a lot.

Funky

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San Pedro   08-13-2008 at 03:28:03 AM
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No, the 9600gt will not be bottlenecked by the 1.0 slot, and it is much much much much better than the 8600gt.

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teh_boxzor   08-13-2008 at 04:30:23 AM
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it wont bee bottlenecked by the 1.0 slot the 9600 gt donesn't have that much memory bandwidth

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nukemaster   08-13-2008 at 05:28:38 AM
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9600GT.

PCI-E 2.0 is more for future use then anything.

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sarwar_r87   08-13-2008 at 10:16:35 AM
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pcie 1 wont be an issue, i would be more worried bout that P4 u got there

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funkmaster   08-13-2008 at 11:25:50 AM
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How come?
doesn't it have enough juice to power the card?
let me know.
thanks

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skullfire987   08-13-2008 at 03:33:59 PM
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I think I have the same trouble if someone could please visit my message or thread to help me : http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] 3#t1853182

I'd pray for you lol
If you have msn or something and think it would be faster and easier to talk over that than on a forum board please tell me or something!

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nottheking   08-13-2008 at 09:05:23 PM
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No, PCI-e 2.0 isn't a requirement for any consumer graphics card. And as far as is known, even for something like the 4870X2, it doesn't have a real impact on the card's performance if you have only PCI-e 1.0

Trust me, the 9600GT is considerably above the capabilities of the 8600GT. So you'll want the better card, and it's well worth the little extra money.

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pauldh   08-13-2008 at 11:16:14 PM
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PCI-e 1.0 will not hold back performance, but your single core P4 3.2GHz will in some games. I'd still go for the 9600GT over the 8600GT though as it will allow you to play at higher resolutions and handle fsaa better.

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nottheking   08-14-2008 at 06:30:32 PM
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pauldh wrote :

PCI-e 1.0 will not hold back performance, but your single core P4 3.2GHz will in some games. I'd still go for the 9600GT over the 8600GT though as it will allow you to play at higher resolutions and handle fsaa better.


Well, since they didn't mention their monitor or resolution, they could always just crank that up and they won't have to worry about the CPU bottlenecking it. I like to always remind myself that you can almost ALWAYS (except in particularly old software and MMOs) place the botteneck back on the graphics card if you try hard enough... :kaola:

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pauldh   08-14-2008 at 09:39:12 PM
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nottheking wrote :

Well, since they didn't mention their monitor or resolution, they could always just crank that up and they won't have to worry about the CPU bottlenecking it. I like to always remind myself that you can almost ALWAYS (except in particularly old software and MMOs) place the botteneck back on the graphics card if you try hard enough... :kaola:


The problem is, that is only the case is you have enough CPU to remain playable at the desired detail levels. A 3.2GHz P4 will not allow for maximum details in many games(it would crawl with medium physics in Crysis), no matter what video card you pair with it. Increasing res to 19x12 and fsaa to 4x may bring the video card to a crawl also, but if the CPU limits fps to under 30 fps regardless of the resolution, details will need to be turned down to play because of the CPU/system.

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nottheking   08-15-2008 at 03:05:17 PM
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pauldh wrote :

The problem is, that is only the case is you have enough CPU to remain playable at the desired detail levels. A 3.2GHz P4 will not allow for maximum details in many games(it would crawl with medium physics in Crysis), no matter what video card you pair with it. Increasing res to 19x12 and fsaa to 4x may bring the video card to a crawl also, but if the CPU limits fps to under 30 fps regardless of the resolution, details will need to be turned down to play because of the CPU/system.


True, that's a limitation you can't quite so easily work your way around. I was just noting that it's possible to move the bottleneck around, even though you're already in the "unplayable" range. :P

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