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9800 GX2 or 4870 which is better at the same price?

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August 13, 2008 6:24:39 AM

I finally have enough money for a new graphics card. Which one should I get. They are both $280 on newegg.

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August 13, 2008 6:28:26 AM

GX2 of course, it beats 4870 by tenfold. and if you put another GX2 it will be as fast as 4870X2 CFX.

it has best bang for the money.

GX2 QSLI= 560$
4870X2 CFX = 1100$

go for GX2 dude, and add another one when u got the money
August 13, 2008 7:01:55 AM

Concrum! Down boy! Bad boy!

We have had this conversation before spreading bad advise is wrong!

And the price would be the same for Crossfire, why are you lying so much?

It would be the same exact price for crossfire with the gx2's or the 4870's, not too mention even w/ premature drivers crossifiring the 4870's will be very powerful.

Concrum, for the last time, stop!

We all know you are a Nvidia Fanboy more than Monsta [he changed his tune once becoming informed], or an AMD fanboy like thunderman, or a fanboy like TC is to Intel, but seriously enough is enough, stop lying, b/c giving bad information is a pretty selfish thing to do, just b/c you don't like Ati doesn't mean Ati cannot make great cards for the value. Even now getting much better and more competitive in the performance market as more.
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August 13, 2008 7:11:18 AM



bench tell ém all
August 13, 2008 7:38:01 AM



lol...he didn't even say any specifics about games PSU, motherboard or any other restrictions, which I strongly recommend he would. one bench from anand, nice bro, really just beautiful.

Dude all the information you give is so Nvidian Biased it's hard to take anything you say seriously, PERIOD!

I reccommend the OP look it up himself as this is a single bench and I seriously do not even recommend doing anything based on concrum's credibility, anybody please chime in and tell me otherwise...



here's one that shows 4870 being practically as good as the 9800gx2, see concrum anybody can post any information they want and spin it off in any direction, All I will give you credit for [b/c credit/credibility has to be earned, and you have like one point for u, and at least 3,000 against] is that the 9800gx2 does do better, but considering the immaturity of the 4870 I would honestly recommend telling us of some of the games you play and whether or not you even mess with AA or Af, or any other graphical filters, The Op needs to fill us in on more information b/c chipset, PSU, and how well you have your cooling set-up, b/c both choices rely heavily on those points. However both produce quite a bit of heat, the GX2 more than the 4870, and the power consumption is still higher than the 4870.

a b U Graphics card
August 13, 2008 7:39:19 AM

How bout you buy my used GX2 off me for 215$?? That sounds like the best plan. PM me if youre interested
August 13, 2008 7:39:42 AM

you should tell us in what resolution you want to use you're card
if you are not on the big screens the 9800 x2 will be too much for
and the 4870 is more suitable and will give you the performance you need
yes 9800 x2 is more faster but do you will get its advantage ?
August 13, 2008 7:53:05 AM

for 1920x1200 gaming whats probably the best price/performance ?

4850 cf > 9800gx2 > 4870 > gtx 280 ?

(thats just a guess/question , and I didnt include the 4870x2 simply because it JUST got released )

Problem is finding out anything about the 4850 in cf is quite difficult.
August 13, 2008 7:58:28 AM

i say get 4870.....wit nvidia consentreating on gtx280 driver,they hav hardly released and full version driver for the 9series.....remember wat happened to 7900gx2.
August 13, 2008 8:11:15 AM

FrozenGpu said:
lol...he didn't even say any specifics about games PSU, motherboard or any other restrictions, which I strongly recommend he would. one bench from anand, nice bro, really just beautiful.




one becnh? so you're asking for more huh, are you ready?







i could go on forever, but this is more than enough to show why GX2 is the better choice over 4870, they are at the price after all..
a b U Graphics card
August 13, 2008 8:12:24 AM

at 1920 the GX2 is needed, trust me that is what I use w/ my setup.
August 13, 2008 8:18:43 AM

If it were me, I'd pick the 9800 GX2.
August 13, 2008 10:19:19 AM

The GX2 has more raw processing power but can in some games experience FPS drops due to immature drivers. But just to say in just about every benchmark I've seen the GX2 beats out the 4870.
August 13, 2008 10:23:45 AM

Concrum the only thing I do not understand is why do you concentrate on one part of my post, all are extremely valid points, I even said that it does do better, but you never look at all the points all your posts ever point to is the best performance, no matter what the cost is, period!

most people are not looking to fry their psu's or worse, or even bring the integrity of their internal parts lower than they already are....

You are at best, extremely biased, so I sure hope the OP realizes this point as well.

You never read the part where I said I gave you credit for calling it on the 9800gx2 does perform better, but at what power usage more? PSu connectors the user might not have or even might not be able to support? In the user's best interest b/c if he does have an ati/intel chipset chances are he will be able to crossifre for some decent performance gains, crossfire does scale better than sli anyways, and the hd4000 series really does show it's strength in this case.



You are such a sad, sad fanboy, and the simple fact nobody will even recognize concrum's biased-ness is starting to make me think they believe your spin-doctor work, gj concrum, you pick one correct answer, but b/c of your FUD you spread with the gtx280 series, your credibility is simply to low to regard your posts as if they were coming from a reasonable person who has the Op's interests at heart and not Nvidia's CEO, jen hsung w/e his name is...arrogant prick.
August 13, 2008 10:47:39 AM

Another one, just to make sure the OP wont buy the wrong card.

and this is for you Frozengpu. you may now leave in peace.

August 13, 2008 3:09:22 PM

The 9800 GX2,anyway...
a b U Graphics card
August 13, 2008 3:16:33 PM

Here we go:

The GX2 is the more powerful card, but the 4870 will likely get at least a little better once better drivers come out. Also, there is currently no reason the SLI a GX2, as performance increases is minimal.

Note: NVIDIA is releasing a driver set in a month which promises to increase performance for the 9 series, so its possible quad-SLI with 2x GX2's could be doable.

Also note: the GX2 requires a LOT more power. I would recommend at least a 600W power supply for it (being overly safe). Please list your PSU so we can figure out wether you have the juice to run it.

Also list your motherboard. If you have a nForce chipset, you should almost certainly get the 9800Gx2, otherwise you could crossfire two 4870's later for much better performance.
August 13, 2008 4:39:55 PM

sorry for the late replies everybody i just woke up. so anyway I have a pretty low end mobo and it doesn't support SLI or Crossfire. This is why I am wanting a fast single card GPU. I play at 1680x1050 resolution usually without AA. From the benches I've seen at almost every site, the GX2 beats out the 4870 at 1680x1050 no AA. I also want a card that can play crysis at the best price/performance since that is the only game that is really killing my computer at the moment. The GX2 seems like the definite choice for me but I've heard things about it like micro-stuttering and the dual GPUs not scaling well. What can you guys tell me about those two things?
August 13, 2008 5:00:59 PM

Microstutter is completely overrated. Most people can't even notice it, and those that can have to be actively looking for it. As for multi-GPU scaling (wheter SLI or CF), the benches say it all. (some games scale better than others).
a b U Graphics card
August 13, 2008 5:01:09 PM

If you don't plan to go above 1600x1200, a 9800 GX2 should be plently (close to overkill, that is :D )

Also, the GX2 does not scale well with ANOTHER GX2, its fine by itself :D .

Finally, I haven't enounted the micro-stutter yet, but maybe thats because I have a 9650 OC to 3.45...
August 13, 2008 6:28:58 PM

what exactly is micro-stuttering anyway and will I experience it badly on a 2.2GHz dual core and 2.5GB RAM?

btw I'm almost 100% sure I'm getting the GX2. Thanks for the help everyone!
August 13, 2008 7:37:00 PM

concrum said:
one becnh? so you're asking for more huh, are you ready?

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17129.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17132.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17133.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17134.png


i could go on forever, but this is more than enough to show why GX2 is the better choice over 4870, they are at the price after all..

The gtx280 drivers are real **** crap man. Thats why its not even going over the 9800gx2. No this isn't Nvidian. You can see the 4870 overtakes alot of nvidia cards in there.
August 14, 2008 4:10:20 AM

no seriously concrum, your basically arguing that the world is flat? Seriously give up, and move on atleast you'll keel whats left of your e-penis:) 

289.99 vs 450$ :)  pretty plz:D 

The 280 GTX was a failure because of its price not its performance, no1 is saying that it doesn't beat the 4870 but it doesn't do it by enough to justify the extra 100-150$.

if it were like 25-50$ hello other side of the story right?

Now plz either find a nice corner in your room and sit there, or play nice and admit defeat, because you have the world vs you on your shoulders right now:D 
August 14, 2008 5:13:00 AM

@OP I just had this same debate with myself and ended up settling on the 4870 for a couple reasons:

1. The 4870 will be ATI's focus for months to come, which means improvements will come, where as the 9800GX2 is an EOL product, meaning it may get left in the dust ala 7900GX2...

2. no microstuttering on the 4870

3. 9800GX2 has no easy upgrade path since quad-sli scales terribly, where as CF 4870 yields good FPS improvements.

4. Personally, I like to support ATI's efforts in making great performance available to all for less instead of merely using ATI to get Nvidia products cheaper.
August 14, 2008 8:32:06 AM

can someone please explain this microstuttering thing to me?? I've heard from some people that it makes 60fps look like 30fps!
August 14, 2008 10:28:38 AM

Quitoman said:
can someone please explain this microstuttering thing to me?? I've heard from some people that it makes 60fps look like 30fps!

Microstuttering can ocure when using multiple GPUs, its basicly problem with diferent rendering times for diferent screens whitch result in something i would call microlags when you screen move smothly then stop for few miliseconds and repeat that regulary.
August 14, 2008 11:40:32 PM

Well how often does this happen and does it affect gameplay much?
August 15, 2008 1:17:00 AM

Quitoman said:
Well how often does this happen and does it affect gameplay much?

Don't worry too much. It's usually unnoticable.
August 15, 2008 3:07:02 AM

Microstuttering can be serious, but it is very variable dependent. With low RAM and a slower CPU the chances of microstuttering can be greatly increased. It also depends on your motherboard, if it does not transfer the data from the PCIe slot quick enough it will also increase the chances for microstuttering. The monitor you use can also greatly effect the outcome as well. With high response times you can get ghosting and video lag (>8ms generally), and with very low response time microstuttering can become very apparent (2ms). My personal opinion is to go with the 4870, the 9800 GX2 will vary in performance a lot more than the 4870 would. The 4870 is STILL working on BETA-like drivers, and at 1680x1050 I would say with in a month or 2 the performance difference will be very low, and possibly on the side of the 4870. Also the 4870 requires less power and runs extremely cool with a simple fan mod. Not to mention your CPU will bottleneck the 9800 GX2 more than the 4870.

I would have to say either is a good deal, but the uncertainties about the 9800 GX2 make me side with the 4870. It runs cooler, requires less power, gets more consistent framerates, will be easier to upgrade later with another one, can only get better, and the difference in performance is really laughable in real life. The 4870 is more than enough power for all games, even Crysis which is a terrible game that you will not find yourself playing much at all, trust me. It is all up to you, but that is the decision I made myself.

Concrum, I am very against causing conflicts with other posters, but your just so pathetic, I simply can't resist. I want you to read every thing you have written in this thread and read your other anti-4870 X2 posts. Notice how microstuttering is only a concern when its an ATI dual GPU, not nVidia. I also want you to read how you keep bringing up the inconsistent performance of the 4870 X2, because it is a dual GPU, and I want you to see how you have dismissed it when its the 9800 GX2 in question.

OP, Concrum is NOT to be listened to, period.

Edit: My final verdict, go with the cheapest one.
August 15, 2008 3:39:05 AM

The_Blood_Raven said:
Microstuttering can be serious, but it is very variable dependent. With low RAM and a slower CPU the chances of microstuttering can be greatly increased. It also depends on your motherboard, if it does not transfer the data from the PCIe slot quick enough it will also increase the chances for microstuttering. The monitor you use can also greatly effect the outcome as well. With high response times you can get ghosting and video lag (>8ms generally), and with very low response time microstuttering can become very apparent (2ms). My personal opinion is to go with the 4870, the 9800 GX2 will vary in performance a lot more than the 4870 would. The 4870 is STILL working on BETA-like drivers, and at 1680x1050 I would say with in a month or 2 the performance difference will be very low, and possibly on the side of the 4870. Also the 4870 requires less power and runs extremely cool with a simple fan mod. Not to mention your CPU will bottleneck the 9800 GX2 more than the 4870.

I would have to say either is a good deal, but the uncertainties about the 9800 GX2 make me side with the 4870. It runs cooler, requires less power, gets more consistent framerates, will be easier to upgrade later with another one, can only get better, and the difference in performance is really laughable in real life. The 4870 is more than enough power for all games, even Crysis which is a terrible game that you will not find yourself playing much at all, trust me. It is all up to you, but that is the decision I made myself.

Concrum, I am very against causing conflicts with other posters, but your just so pathetic, I simply can't resist. I want you to read every thing you have written in this thread and read your other anti-4870 X2 posts. Notice how microstuttering is only a concern when its an ATI dual GPU, not nVidia. I also want you to read how you keep bringing up the inconsistent performance of the 4870 X2, because it is a dual GPU, and I want you to see how you have dismissed it when its the 9800 GX2 in question.

OP, Concrum is NOT to be listened to, period.

Edit: My final verdict, go with the cheapest one.


^+1, especially on that advice about not to listen to Concrum.
August 16, 2008 2:28:30 AM

While it's true that 4870's performance tend to be more stable (min and max frame rates differ by a smaller amount), it still won't justify the performance difference. Despite fluctuating more, the 9800gx2's minimum framerates is still higher than 4870's across the board. The performance difference between the two is large enough to overshadow this. For non sli/cf, at that $280 price tag, it's really no competition.
August 16, 2008 4:23:03 AM

concrum said:
one becnh? so you're asking for more huh, are you ready?

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17129.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17132.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17133.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17134.png


i could go on forever, but this is more than enough to show why GX2 is the better choice over 4870, they are at the price after all..


OMG>>Concrum SAID SOMETHING USEFUL!!!!! I never thought this day would come. I might go buy a few lottery tickets now. I'm simply amazed.



EDIT!, My first +1 for a Concrum post...one more thing that has never happened before.
a c 88 U Graphics card
August 17, 2008 11:23:57 PM

Forget the 4870 , you are better off with the 4870X2
August 18, 2008 3:47:32 AM

omg... is monsta an ati version of concrum??! LMFAO

but yeah he did say something that made me think... the 9800gx2 is VERY cheap now, and is the best price/performance ration regardless of the micro stuttering that some say they see... of course i don't have the card, but that doesn't mean if i couldn't afford it, i wouldn't... how does the 4870x2 compare with the 9800gx2? that seems like a fair fight, no?
a c 88 U Graphics card
August 18, 2008 7:34:15 AM

Now thats funny an ATI version of Concrum?.....Im running 9800GX2 SLI. LMFAO

August 18, 2008 7:36:52 AM

mmmm If you had no upgrade options I'd go with the GX2. Simply because it uses internal SLI means that the performance will continually increase as does the improved SLI scaling.


Not to mentin the fact it's simply more powerful.


And ATI have too many hit and misses on performance.


Tbh my choice would be to sit tight and wait for the 4850X2. it'll defo be a serious contender.
a b U Graphics card
August 18, 2008 8:14:00 AM

Exactly. The 4850x2 is just around the corner, will be the 2nd fastest card made. nVidia has been wise to place the 9800x2 at this price point, but, its basically eol, and not sure if theres ever going to be a 55nm version. If they dont sell out at these prices before the 4850 comes, itll give some competition to the 4850x2, but it is eol. Itll be interesting to see how this all works out in 3 weeks or so
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