9800 GX2 or 4870?
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FrozenGpu
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Concrum! Down boy! Bad boy!
We have had this conversation before spreading bad advise is wrong!
And the price would be the same for Crossfire, why are you lying so much?
It would be the same exact price for crossfire with the gx2's or the 4870's, not too mention even w/ premature drivers crossifiring the 4870's will be very powerful.
Concrum, for the last time, stop!
We all know you are a Nvidia Fanboy more than Monsta [he changed his tune once becoming informed], or an AMD fanboy like thunderman, or a fanboy like TC is to Intel, but seriously enough is enough, stop lying, b/c giving bad information is a pretty selfish thing to do, just b/c you don't like Ati doesn't mean Ati cannot make great cards for the value. Even now getting much better and more competitive in the performance market as more.
We have had this conversation before spreading bad advise is wrong!
And the price would be the same for Crossfire, why are you lying so much?
It would be the same exact price for crossfire with the gx2's or the 4870's, not too mention even w/ premature drivers crossifiring the 4870's will be very powerful.
Concrum, for the last time, stop!
We all know you are a Nvidia Fanboy more than Monsta [he changed his tune once becoming informed], or an AMD fanboy like thunderman, or a fanboy like TC is to Intel, but seriously enough is enough, stop lying, b/c giving bad information is a pretty selfish thing to do, just b/c you don't like Ati doesn't mean Ati cannot make great cards for the value. Even now getting much better and more competitive in the performance market as more.
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lol...he didn't even say any specifics about games PSU, motherboard or any other restrictions, which I strongly recommend he would. one bench from anand, nice bro, really just beautiful.
Dude all the information you give is so Nvidian Biased it's hard to take anything you say seriously, PERIOD!
I reccommend the OP look it up himself as this is a single bench and I seriously do not even recommend doing anything based on concrum's credibility, anybody please chime in and tell me otherwise...
here's one that shows 4870 being practically as good as the 9800gx2, see concrum anybody can post any information they want and spin it off in any direction, All I will give you credit for [b/c credit/credibility has to be earned, and you have like one point for u, and at least 3,000 against] is that the 9800gx2 does do better, but considering the immaturity of the 4870 I would honestly recommend telling us of some of the games you play and whether or not you even mess with AA or Af, or any other graphical filters, The Op needs to fill us in on more information b/c chipset, PSU, and how well you have your cooling set-up, b/c both choices rely heavily on those points. However both produce quite a bit of heat, the GX2 more than the 4870, and the power consumption is still higher than the 4870.
you should tell us in what resolution you want to use you're card
if you are not on the big screens the 9800 x2 will be too much for
and the 4870 is more suitable and will give you the performance you need
yes 9800 x2 is more faster but do you will get its advantage ?
if you are not on the big screens the 9800 x2 will be too much for
and the 4870 is more suitable and will give you the performance you need
yes 9800 x2 is more faster but do you will get its advantage ?
for 1920x1200 gaming whats probably the best price/performance ?
4850 cf > 9800gx2 > 4870 > gtx 280 ?
(thats just a guess/question , and I didnt include the 4870x2 simply because it JUST got released )
Problem is finding out anything about the 4850 in cf is quite difficult.
4850 cf > 9800gx2 > 4870 > gtx 280 ?
(thats just a guess/question , and I didnt include the 4870x2 simply because it JUST got released )
Problem is finding out anything about the 4850 in cf is quite difficult.
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i say get 4870.....wit nvidia consentreating on gtx280 driver,they hav hardly released and full version driver for the 9series.....remember wat happened to 7900gx2.
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The GX2 has more raw processing power but can in some games experience FPS drops due to immature drivers. But just to say in just about every benchmark I've seen the GX2 beats out the 4870.
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Concrum the only thing I do not understand is why do you concentrate on one part of my post, all are extremely valid points, I even said that it does do better, but you never look at all the points all your posts ever point to is the best performance, no matter what the cost is, period!
most people are not looking to fry their psu's or worse, or even bring the integrity of their internal parts lower than they already are....
You are at best, extremely biased, so I sure hope the OP realizes this point as well.
You never read the part where I said I gave you credit for calling it on the 9800gx2 does perform better, but at what power usage more? PSu connectors the user might not have or even might not be able to support? In the user's best interest b/c if he does have an ati/intel chipset chances are he will be able to crossifre for some decent performance gains, crossfire does scale better than sli anyways, and the hd4000 series really does show it's strength in this case.
You are such a sad, sad fanboy, and the simple fact nobody will even recognize concrum's biased-ness is starting to make me think they believe your spin-doctor work, gj concrum, you pick one correct answer, but b/c of your FUD you spread with the gtx280 series, your credibility is simply to low to regard your posts as if they were coming from a reasonable person who has the Op's interests at heart and not Nvidia's CEO, jen hsung w/e his name is...arrogant prick.
most people are not looking to fry their psu's or worse, or even bring the integrity of their internal parts lower than they already are....
You are at best, extremely biased, so I sure hope the OP realizes this point as well.
You never read the part where I said I gave you credit for calling it on the 9800gx2 does perform better, but at what power usage more? PSu connectors the user might not have or even might not be able to support? In the user's best interest b/c if he does have an ati/intel chipset chances are he will be able to crossifre for some decent performance gains, crossfire does scale better than sli anyways, and the hd4000 series really does show it's strength in this case.
You are such a sad, sad fanboy, and the simple fact nobody will even recognize concrum's biased-ness is starting to make me think they believe your spin-doctor work, gj concrum, you pick one correct answer, but b/c of your FUD you spread with the gtx280 series, your credibility is simply to low to regard your posts as if they were coming from a reasonable person who has the Op's interests at heart and not Nvidia's CEO, jen hsung w/e his name is...arrogant prick.
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gamerk316
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Here we go:
The GX2 is the more powerful card, but the 4870 will likely get at least a little better once better drivers come out. Also, there is currently no reason the SLI a GX2, as performance increases is minimal.
Note: NVIDIA is releasing a driver set in a month which promises to increase performance for the 9 series, so its possible quad-SLI with 2x GX2's could be doable.
Also note: the GX2 requires a LOT more power. I would recommend at least a 600W power supply for it (being overly safe). Please list your PSU so we can figure out wether you have the juice to run it.
Also list your motherboard. If you have a nForce chipset, you should almost certainly get the 9800Gx2, otherwise you could crossfire two 4870's later for much better performance.
The GX2 is the more powerful card, but the 4870 will likely get at least a little better once better drivers come out. Also, there is currently no reason the SLI a GX2, as performance increases is minimal.
Note: NVIDIA is releasing a driver set in a month which promises to increase performance for the 9 series, so its possible quad-SLI with 2x GX2's could be doable.
Also note: the GX2 requires a LOT more power. I would recommend at least a 600W power supply for it (being overly safe). Please list your PSU so we can figure out wether you have the juice to run it.
Also list your motherboard. If you have a nForce chipset, you should almost certainly get the 9800Gx2, otherwise you could crossfire two 4870's later for much better performance.
sorry for the late replies everybody i just woke up. so anyway I have a pretty low end mobo and it doesn't support SLI or Crossfire. This is why I am wanting a fast single card GPU. I play at 1680x1050 resolution usually without AA. From the benches I've seen at almost every site, the GX2 beats out the 4870 at 1680x1050 no AA. I also want a card that can play crysis at the best price/performance since that is the only game that is really killing my computer at the moment. The GX2 seems like the definite choice for me but I've heard things about it like micro-stuttering and the dual GPUs not scaling well. What can you guys tell me about those two things?
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If you don't plan to go above 1600x1200, a 9800 GX2 should be plently (close to overkill, that is 
)
Also, the GX2 does not scale well with ANOTHER GX2, its fine by itself.
Finally, I haven't enounted the micro-stutter yet, but maybe thats because I have a 9650 OC to 3.45...
) Also, the GX2 does not scale well with ANOTHER GX2, its fine by itself
.Finally, I haven't enounted the micro-stutter yet, but maybe thats because I have a 9650 OC to 3.45...
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no seriously concrum, your basically arguing that the world is flat? Seriously give up, and move on atleast you'll keel whats left of your e-penis
289.99 vs 450$ pretty plz
The 280 GTX was a failure because of its price not its performance, no1 is saying that it doesn't beat the 4870 but it doesn't do it by enough to justify the extra 100-150$.
if it were like 25-50$ hello other side of the story right?
Now plz either find a nice corner in your room and sit there, or play nice and admit defeat, because you have the world vs you on your shoulders right now
289.99 vs 450$
pretty plzThe 280 GTX was a failure because of its price not its performance, no1 is saying that it doesn't beat the 4870 but it doesn't do it by enough to justify the extra 100-150$.
if it were like 25-50$ hello other side of the story right?
Now plz either find a nice corner in your room and sit there, or play nice and admit defeat, because you have the world vs you on your shoulders right now
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@OP I just had this same debate with myself and ended up settling on the 4870 for a couple reasons:
1. The 4870 will be ATI's focus for months to come, which means improvements will come, where as the 9800GX2 is an EOL product, meaning it may get left in the dust ala 7900GX2...
2. no microstuttering on the 4870
3. 9800GX2 has no easy upgrade path since quad-sli scales terribly, where as CF 4870 yields good FPS improvements.
4. Personally, I like to support ATI's efforts in making great performance available to all for less instead of merely using ATI to get Nvidia products cheaper.
1. The 4870 will be ATI's focus for months to come, which means improvements will come, where as the 9800GX2 is an EOL product, meaning it may get left in the dust ala 7900GX2...
2. no microstuttering on the 4870
3. 9800GX2 has no easy upgrade path since quad-sli scales terribly, where as CF 4870 yields good FPS improvements.
4. Personally, I like to support ATI's efforts in making great performance available to all for less instead of merely using ATI to get Nvidia products cheaper.
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