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July 22, 2008 2:17:50 PM

Right so i have some money for the first time in my life, and i have decided to spend it on a new computer, and ive realised that if i build one, i will get a much better computer for the money. Before i started i knew a little bit about computer hardware, ive been working on this list for a while now, and i have put it bellow. If there are any major compatability issues with the stuff im buying please say before i buy it, and if there is anything that i should change that will give me a big price cut please say. Well heres the list:

CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-161-IN
£100.99

GPU
MSI GeForce 9800 GTX OC 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-079-MS
£149.99

Memory
GeIL 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C5 800MHz Black Dragon DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GB24GB6400C5DC)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-069-GL
£46.99

Motherboard
Asus P5N32-E PLUS SLi nForce (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-222-AS
£89.99

Monitor
LG L227WT 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-054-LG
£184.99

PSU
Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-CS
£54.99

Case
Miditower NZXT LeXa Aluminium
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000JCZP4U/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A1HVS4RF533X76
£84.76

HardDrive
Maxtor Diamondmax 22 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (STM3500320AS)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-160-MD
£39.99

DVD Drive:
Pioneer DVR-215DBK 20x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-000-PI
£14.99

Keyboard:
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (B2M-00008)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-055-MS
£23.99

Mouse
Razer Krait 1600dpi Professional Gaming Mouse - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-021-RA
£16.99

Headphones
Creative Fatal1ty Gaming Headset (51MZ0310AA001)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SP-091-CL
£19.99

CPU Cooler
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-017-AR
£10.99

Mouse Mat 0.o
Razer Goliathus Omega Control Mat Gaming Surface
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GS-010-RA
£8.99

Total Not including VAT: £848.63

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July 22, 2008 2:42:59 PM

Ive decided to downgrade my 9800gtx to a 8800gtx. Its a £30 difference that i could barely afford anyway, and ive decided that for what im doing i probably wont need it.
July 22, 2008 2:49:14 PM

so what you got there look excellent but here is a few things you many want to think about....

first off i am in the USA so sorry if i use American currency i believe the ratio is about 1:1.5 so...

you may want to look at the 4870 or the 4850 the 50 is cheaper and almost equal performance the 70 has better performance and is just alittle more obviously you would need a different motherboard if you went that direction like an X38 or X48 but nvidia is fine if you like them better

the next and probably biggest thing i see is the 650 watt PSU i love corsair but for SLI you would probably want a little bit more i would go with their 750 watt it just gives a little elbow room if you know what i mean.

finally OS???? i don't see one and here is the big thing you need to know if it is 64 or 32bit ok. if it is 32bit you will only be able to use 3gb of memory total to use all 4 you will need a 64 bit version and that can be a problem

hope this helps and good luck
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July 22, 2008 2:52:00 PM

i just saw your second message the 4850 like i said would be better in my opinion and you can pick it up for $180 or... E120 about
July 22, 2008 3:03:01 PM

pickup an aftermarket heatsink for the 4850, if you decide to get it. the stock one is barely adequate :( 
July 22, 2008 3:15:13 PM

Ive made some changes, looking at the P35 motherboard it looks a lot better for overclocking, ive looked at reviews for the 650i chipset and it loks like it doesnt overclocks as well. As for the CPU cooler is the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler that i was origionally going to get still worth getting.
July 22, 2008 3:36:05 PM

Only £100 more expensive, i cant really afford that for this current build as i am limited to below 800 pounds without VAT

Im guessing the P45 cant be too much better then the 35.

Anyone know whether the coller is worth it, or if there is a better one for the same price or cheaper.
July 22, 2008 4:07:49 PM

Just wondering what does the chache on a Hardrive do? I only selected the one i have because it has a 32mb cache. Is that spinpoint F1 still better then the one i already had selected eventhough it has a 16mb cache.
July 22, 2008 4:15:43 PM

The exchange rate from pound to dollar is 2 to 1, You really cant find any 8800 cards for less then 240 dollars? None of the American distributers sell overseas?
July 22, 2008 4:20:10 PM

You can save on the power supply if you go with the 4850:

ATI Radeon HD 4850 System Requirements

450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended (550 Watt and two 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)
Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/certifiedPSU for a list of Certified products.
July 22, 2008 4:51:43 PM

The power supply that i have selected at the moment seems good, do you recon i can keep it with the ATI Radeon HD 4850.

Normally im a nvidia fan, so this graphics card better change my mind T_T im risking it, its quite a lot of money off, which is always good. Also the powersuplly that i have selected at the moment says it is SLI ready, im guessing that means it can take CrossFire as well, i wont be buying straight off with 2 graphics cards, but i may well upgrade in the future to 2.

So basically, i dont know how to edit my first post for some reason it wont let me. But these are the things i have changed so far:

Changed to ATI Radeon HD 4850
Changed to a P35 Mobo

Things i am looking into are the Memory, im looking for a nice 1066mhz ram with low lattency, but for not much more then i have atm.
Not sure about the PSU
July 22, 2008 5:02:45 PM

Your initial list is quite good. Any changes are just nitpicking and personal preferences.

What will be the primary use of this PC? If it is for heavy multitasking, then the Quad core cpu is good. If it is for gaming, or running one task at a time, then the higher clock speed of the E8500 or E8500 would be better for the same price. If the main use is gaming, then the vga card is most important.

Cache on the hard drive allows the drive to satisfy a request out of cache memory instead of a mechanical reading of the drive. It's benefits are highly application dependent. For their new high performance velociraptor, WD went with only 16m cache because they found that more did not help. More is probably better, but I would not make a buying decision on that.

If you want to save a few pounds, then there are some minor changes you can make.
1) look at the Antec300 case. Good quality and cooling for less.
2) look for a more basic motherboard. There is no need to pay for SLI and extra pci-e slots if you aren't going to use them.
July 22, 2008 5:12:30 PM

^Be careful with DDR2 1066 RAM. Most of the DDR2 1066 RAM have compatibility issues. I recommend just getting good DDR2 800 and OCing them.
July 22, 2008 5:16:32 PM

Quote:
Intel Core http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CP-161-IN
£100.99

GPU
MSI GeForce 9800 GTX OC 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express ) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =GX-079-MS
£149.99

Memory
GeIL 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C5 800MHz Black Dragon DDR2 DDR2 SDRAM Dual Channel Kit (GB24GB6400C5DC)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =MY-069-GL
£46.99

Motherboard
Asus P5N32-E PLUS SLi nForce (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =MB-222-AS
£89.99

Monitor
LG L227WT 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =MO-054-LG
£184.99

PSU
Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CA-008-CS
£54.99

Case
Miditower NZXT LeXa Aluminium
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obido [...] S4RF533X76
£84.76

HardDrive
Maxtor Diamondmax 22 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (STM3500320AS)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =HD-160-MD
£39.99

DVD Drive:
Pioneer DVR-215DBK 20x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CD-000-PI
£14.99

Keyboard:
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (B2M-00008)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =KB-055-MS
£23.99

Mouse
Razer Krait 1600dpi Professional Gaming Mouse - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =KB-021-RA
£16.99

Headphones
Creative Fatal1ty Gaming Headset (51MZ0310AA001)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =SP-091-CL
£19.99

CPU Cooler
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =HS-017-AR
£10.99

Mouse Mat 0.o
Razer Goliathus Omega Control Mat Gaming Surface
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =GS-010-RA
£8.99

Looks good! You might want to consider getting a P45 board and doing CrossFire later with a 4870. Providing you get a 4870 instead of the 9800GTX.
July 22, 2008 5:21:27 PM

Go use the OCZ memory configurator to verify compatibility with your mobo. I don't think your selection is on the list.
Corsair, Patriot, and kingston also have memory compatibility configurators.
July 22, 2008 5:26:53 PM

Ok, i didnt realise, il go back to the GeIL 800Mhz ram. Im guessing i can buy another set of it at some point, also i was reading something in a magazine that having 8gb makes no difference to vista then having 4gb or ram, is it worth buying another 4gb at a later date?
July 22, 2008 5:32:13 PM

K, also ive found this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD...(Black)%20-%20OEM

It looks the same as the other poineer one, but with lightscribe, i dont know whether lightscribe works well now, i know i heard complaints when it first came out, and for like 2 pounds more.
July 22, 2008 5:32:58 PM

^Providing you have a x64 (64bit) OS like Vista x64 or XP Pro x64 the OS WILL use 8GB RAM. XP/Vista x86/x32(32bit) will be limited to 3.5GB.
July 22, 2008 5:41:49 PM

K, ive heard vista 64 bit will run on 4gb fine, in a magazine i was reading, they said that 8gb doesnt give that much of a difference. Also i dont really have the money to get another 4gb right at the moment, il have to wait till i have saved up another 30 pounds.

Im still sort of confuzzled about the PSU, ive noticed loads of the PSU's have all SLI ready and stuff on em. Does this mean that they only work for Nvidia graphics cards, or are they all the same fitting from the psu to graphics card, and this means that this will run 2 4850's when i come to buy a second one.
July 22, 2008 6:07:00 PM

^Imo, the SLI Certification for a PSU is just not telling a whole story on PSU quality. Think of it as a "basic" certification. For REAL PSU testing check out :
http://www.jonnyguru.com/
and the [H]ard|OCP reviews.
July 22, 2008 7:10:01 PM

k, so the PSU that i have at the moment, do you reckon that it would be ok to upgrade with in the future or will i need to invest in a new PSU at some point, all id want to add is another 4gb ram, and another Graphics card

Thanks for everyones help so far.
July 23, 2008 11:41:40 AM

If you get a P35 motherboard (Crossfire capable) the Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU will certainly be adequate for single or Crossfire. Sure enough for a graphics card upgrade also.
You have ample room for upgrades.
July 23, 2008 7:51:22 PM

ok, i have heard that that graphics card can overheat quite a bit, is this true? and is it enough to decrease performance.

Also one someone i know said i should get the next up q6600 because it has a better FSB. This will mean that i have a 1333 FSB which is the maximum the motherboard can take i think, so that is 10 pounds more.

Also, what number of slots does the motherboard have for physx cards and sound cards and stuff, do they go into the same slot as the graphics cards, i really dont know.
July 23, 2008 8:19:59 PM

^Some graphic cards run hot, but the temps should be safe until 85+C for the new GPUs.

Quote:

Also, what number of slots does the motherboard have for physx cards and sound cards and stuff, do they go into the same slot as the graphics cards, i really dont know.

Don't bother with the Physx cards.

Quote:

Also one someone i know said i should get the next up q6600 because it has a better FSB. This will mean that i have a 1333 FSB which is the maximum the motherboard can take i think, so that is 10 pounds more.

I'm not sure what you meant but if you are OCing then a lower FSB is better since you won't need a high FSB to get a high clock. Also the Q6600 only comes in 1066FSB. The Q9450 comes in 1333 FSB.

Q6600: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9...

Q9450: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA...

The Asus P5N32-E support 1333FSB natively. If the BIOS allows it you can go higher than that (ie 1600FSB).
July 24, 2008 10:24:49 AM

Im kinda confused. On Overclockers website, there are 3 different q6600's to choose from. The difference is the FSB, the basic one being 1066, then 1333, then 1466.

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-161-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=793&name=Intel%20Core%202%20Quad%20Pro%20Q6600%20%22Energy%20Efficient%20SLACR%2095W%20Edition%22%202.40GHz%20(1066FSB)%20-%20Retail

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 2.40GHz Guaranteed to run at 3.00GHZ (1333FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-210-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=793&name=Intel%20Core%202%20Quad%20Pro%20Q6600%202.40GHz%20Guaranteed%20to%20run%20at%203.00GHZ%20(1333FSB)%20-%20Retail

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 2.40GHz Guaranteed to run at 3.30GHZ (1466FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-211-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=793&name=Intel%20Core%202%20Quad%20Pro%20Q6600%202.40GHz%20Guaranteed%20to%20run%20at%203.30GHZ%20(1466FSB)%20-%20Retail

Im not sure whether they are overclocked or not, but seeing that the P35 can get up to 1333, wouldnt it be best, for 10 pounds to get the next one up.
July 24, 2008 2:10:13 PM

Hmm... they are not OCed but they are guaranteeing a good OC. At the end of the day they are all Q6600s. Imo, stick with the cheapest one.
July 24, 2008 4:40:03 PM

Im gonner go with the middle one because that is the one someone i know said to get, and i trust them with this kinda thing (they know what they are doing)

Also i might wait for the nVidia 9800 GTX+ to come out, then most nvidia graphics cards should down in price by ALOT, or i can even get the GTX+ You can pre order the GTX+ for 100 pounds, which is 50 pounds less expensive then the normal GTX! So im guessing the GTX will go down by at least 50+ pounds for people to still buy it.

Also, can the P35 Mobo still take nVidia graphics cards, if it can and its just down to the PSU im fine.

Also someone asked what my main uses for it would be. I will be using it for a mixture of gaming, 3d Modeling and Photoshop/Flash and stuff.

As for screens that im buying. Just thought id post em here. I have found these two:


LG L227WT 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-054-LG
£184.99


OcUK Value L2442WD-VA 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Glossy Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-026-OK&groupid=703&catid=17&subcat=510&name=OcUK%20Value%20L2442WD-VA%2024%22%20Widescreen%20LCD%20Monitor%20-%20Glossy%20Black
£179.99

Im not really sure what one to get, im not amazing worried about getting a screen thats 2inches bigger then the other one, whichever one i get will be about a billion times better then my laptop moniter, which is tiney. Im guessing il go for the 22 inch because it looks better quality in image and in product. Im not sure what the glossy thing is but people seem to like it eventhough it adds like 100 pounds onto the price 0.o
July 24, 2008 5:44:08 PM

Quote:

Also, can the P35 Mobo still take nVidia graphics cards

Yes. It dosen't matter what chipset a single GPU from ATI/nVidia will work with all chipsets. You just won't be able to do CrossFire/SLI with out the correct chipset.

As for the LCDs:

The LG has better contras ratio but a lower resolution (1680x1050) on the other hand the OcUK has lower contrast ratio, response time, but it has higher resolution(1920 x 1200) and brightness. I don't know what the quality of the OcUK LCD is but with the resolution and the size it's a good buy.
July 24, 2008 8:53:34 PM

Ok, thanks, so can the p35 take SLI? If not i might go back to the 650i or 680i
Cos i mite go back 9800 gtx if they drop in price for the release of the 9800 gtx+
July 24, 2008 10:17:11 PM

No. The P35/X38/X48 and all other Intel chipsets don't support SLI. The Intel X38/P35/P45/X48 supports CrossFire. Imo, go with a 4850 possibly in CrossFire.
July 25, 2008 3:13:17 PM

My brother actually had that Razor Krait and the scroller went bad in like 3 months. I'm not sure what kind of games you play, but I would highly reccommend the Logitech MX518 or the Logitech G5. The MX518 has a few more buttons that you can hotkey and both have on-the-fly sensitivity changes.

I probably wouldn't pay double what you're paying now for either, but I've had my G5 for two years now and it's still a solid performer (and you'll be amazed at the difference from a regular mouse). Of course you'll be amazed at the difference with the Razor too.
July 25, 2008 5:48:53 PM

^+1 for the G5. Imo, it's the BEST mouse ever made. Mine is still working 3 years later.
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