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Hello,

Quick introduction about myself since I'm new here.

I'm basically the guy that gets ripped off everytime he buys a new rig, I don't know much and while I try my best to figure out what I should be looking into, there are so many components availlible and so many brands that I realise everytime that, after reading for hours, I'm still at the same point..: Clueless.

I've been reading the forums here for hours and I thought the users were very helpful and knew a hell of a lot more than me, so I'm risking myself asking for advice.

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Here's what I'm looking for:

I'm a gamer. I would LOVE to be able to get a performant system to simply be "up to date". I'm looking for a system that would, basically, run the games that are on the market right now with minimal lag, just something that would allow me to feel like i've got something solid for a year.. At the same time, I don't have alot of money to spend.

I would like to stay between a 500-700$ range.

I wish I could say more than that, but, really, I'm absolutely clueless. What I can say, however is that my duron 1.3ghz and my old geforce 5200 doesn't cut it at all anymore.

What I would mostly need help with is to put my finger on affordable MOBO, CPU, VIDEO CARD & MEMORY that would allow me to run the games that are on the market right now. If I need to spend a little more to get it, then I will.

This is pretty vague, I know, but hopefully someone can get me on the right track, so I don't end up buying a piece of junk from Future Shop again..

Thanx a TON in advance, and sorry for the mediocre english.

Edit: I should probably mention I'm looking for PCI-E video and that I've got a 22" ACL Widescreen. (1680x1050)


Message edited by e3masta on 07-24-2008 at 01:52:45 PM
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Tom's did a recent article on a sub-$1,000 gaming system. It should help you get started on your research.
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,1962.html

Reply to nussrods

CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115037 $179
Motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131295
$129
GPU and Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102747
The last item, the 4850 can be bought in a combo deal with 2gig OZC memory for $204 right now....very good deal.

That is $512.
Spend another $100 on a decent PSU to power it all, and you are golden.

Reply to jitpublisher

I love you guyz, thanx a ton.

Now one more question, does Newegg ship to Canada? *gasp*

Reply to e3masta

no

In canada to find good price, try www.shopbot.ca.

Or good online store (from where I have ordered) : NCIX, Tigerdirect.ca, canadacomputers, dytronix...

Reply to sisley_111

Sweet, thanx alot again. :)

Reply to e3masta

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R
Memory Mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800
Graphics Diamond Radeon HD 4850
Samsung SH-S203N
Western Digital Caviar SE16 640GB
Audio Asus Xonar DX
Enclosure Antec Sonata III w/500W PSU
ZALMAN CNPS9500 heatsink + fan

About $956.42.

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Reply to evongugg

sisley_111 wrote :

no

In canada to find good price, try www.shopbot.ca.

Or good online store (from where I have ordered) : NCIX, Tigerdirect.ca, canadacomputers, dytronix...




from what i've seen from using shopbot, directcanada.com tends to have some of the lowest prices around. sometimes their prices are even lower than newegg!

Reply to Nik_I

I like what I see and read on the stuff you listed, jitpublisher.

What I'm wondering is, since the price difference between the MSI P7N SLI Platinum and the P5Q you suggest is only about $25 in Canada, should I go for the P7N since it does the whole crossfire/SLI action?

If I had the mobo to do it, I would probably be tempted to slam another Radeon in there later on, like alot of people suggest.

Now, If I was to buy the P7N, would everything else work optimally with it?

Thanx again for the help, it is immensely appreciated.

Reply to e3masta

evongugg wrote :

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R
Memory Mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800
Graphics Diamond Radeon HD 4850
Samsung SH-S203N
Western Digital Caviar SE16 640GB
Audio Asus Xonar DX
Enclosure Antec Sonata III w/500W PSU
ZALMAN CNPS9500 heatsink + fan

 

About $956.42.

 


Good CPU, RAM, mobo, HDD, PSU. Diamond has earned a place on my personal "Do not buy" list, for a variety of reasons (including incompetent tech support), so I'd choose another brand of HD4850.
You may or may not need a sound card. I'd suggest you try the onboard sound first, especially considering your budget.
Not a bad cooler, but I've heard a lot more people crowing about the Xigmatek S1283 lately, WITH the separate retention bracket. The case is a big personal preference item, but note that that one comes with a decent PSU; most PSUs with cases are excrement.
Personally, Mushkin has become my favorite RAM because it almost always operates at the JEDEC standard 1.8v, meaning you won't need to play stick-swapping BIOS games to get it to work, but it can be tweaked later.

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Reply to jtt283

So, for an extra ~$400, would it be a considerable increase in performances vs the build "jitpublisher" suggested?

Budget-wise, a $500 system is very attractive to me, but I could probably survive a few extra weeks of piling up some cash if the increase in performances is really significant and worth the dollars.. :confused:

Reply to e3masta

Quote :

from what i've seen from using shopbot, directcanada.com tends to have some of the lowest prices around. sometimes their prices are even lower than newegg!



directcanada put low prices but they don't have a lot of item in stock. For example, they were the first to put the hd4850 below 200$ (around 190$) but the card was backorder. When the card was back online, the price was the same as the others stores...

Reply to sisley_111

Also check out canadacomputers.com, as they do sometimes have great deals and reasonable shipping rates. (prices comparable to newegg.com)

I second the pairing of an e8400 and an ati 4500. If you want to save a little money, then replace the e8400 with an e7200 and overclock it a little bit, $193 vs $137 @ canadacomputers.com If just for gaming, this'll do ya just fine, besides nehalem is coming out this fall and is going to blow everything away anyway.

Reply to geoboy

jitpublisher wrote :

CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115037 $179
Motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131295
$129
GPU and Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102747
The last item, the 4850 can be bought in a combo deal with 2gig OZC memory for $204 right now....very good deal.

That is $512.
Spend another $100 on a decent PSU to power it all, and you are golden.



This is a good system. Just add hard disk, optical drive, case, power supply and CPU cooler.
Dual cores are faster in gaming right now. If you believe in quad cores, you can change that.

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Reply to evongugg

If you want a $500.00 system, look at this:

CPU: AMD X2 6000+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103773

Video card: ATI HD4850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814125224

PSU: Raidmax HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817152028

RAM: G.SKILL 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231121

Case: Thermaltake WingRS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811133048

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813138102

Add a hard disk and DVD-RW of your choice.
The power supply is on the weak side.


Message edited by evongugg on 07-24-2008 at 05:28:06 PM
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Reply to evongugg



Since the OP is on a budget, I would recommend the Gigabyte P35-DS3L, which is a solid board, reliable overclocker, and considerably cheaper than that ASUS board (nothing against ASUS boards, other than price).

Reply to mtyermom

e3masta wrote :

So, for an extra ~$400, would it be a considerable increase in performances vs the build "jitpublisher" suggested?

Budget-wise, a $500 system is very attractive to me, but I could probably survive a few extra weeks of piling up some cash if the increase in performances is really significant and worth the dollars.. :confused:


The main difference is the motherboard/CPU in evongugg's list. The P45-DS3R allows you to CrossFire later on. Also the CPU in his build is a quad core. If you are looking in to save some money you can swap out the Q9300 to a E8400. jitpublisher's list also doesn't account for cooling fan, PSU, DVD burner, case,etc.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Don't go for the extra $400. Do a $500 build. Why almost double the price for 5-10% gain in performance? Plain stupid. I just put together a new build a couple of weeks ago (Newegg rocks!):
ASUS P5Q (it's P45 Intel motherboard, just came out last month, 1600FSB!) $150
Intel E8400 $150 (combo deal discount)
Radeon HD 4850 ($175)
2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer free with HD 4850 (best memory out there by Toms standards, see their build articles, Tracer LEDs look amazing in my case)
Western Digital 640GB WD6400AAKS (the best hard drive on the market for the money, read/write speeds better than Raptor 10000rpm drives) $90

Reply to nickr336

Or get an E7200..OCs and performs like the E8x00s for less.

Reply to Craxbax

I would not buy a RaidMax PSU, even on a low-budget build. Typically one of the Antec Earthwatts PSUs (right now the EA430) can be had for a good price on Newegg, so I would guess that this would probably be true for a Canadian supplier as well.
I've also seen some good prices on some OCZ 600W models.

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Reply to jtt283

+1.

 

@OP: Do you plan to overclock?


Message edited by Shadow703793 on 07-24-2008 at 06:12:59 PM
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Reply to Shadow703793

I've never Overclocked before, but I hear that it is usually very safe and easy to do nowadays. With a little coaching, I just might OC a little bit if I feel the PC isn't giving me what I need, but overall I doubt it would be essential for what I want to do.

(Amateur FL Studio producing & Gaming - I'll get me some good audio much later when I want to get more serious with FL)

At the same time, if it's risk free and can give me a little extra for my money, why the heck not? :)


Also, thanx a million times for all the feedback, I wasn't expecting this much help and "dumb questions" answering.. you guyz are great!

Reply to e3masta

So what's the final specs?

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Reply to Shadow703793

I'm leaning towards..:

Intel's E8400 (~$200) (thinking of the E7200 also..saves me 75bux)
Giga's HD 4850 (~$225)
Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2 1066Mhz PC2 8500 2GB Kit (~$70)

Western Digital Caviar 250GB SATAII 7200RPM 16MB Buffer (OEM) (~$70)
Antec EA-430 430W (~$60)

And I don't know wich mobo to pick, either go with the cheaper ones and use the E8400 or shoot for the xFire ones and get an E7200. I've had alot of bad experiences with mobo's, so it makes the choice even more difficult.

Hopefully all of this stuff works togheter! *shock*

Going to have to do some shopping, everything I find seems to cost ~10% more than newegg.. that increase and the taxes takes the $500 system to around $700-750 one. :(


Message edited by e3masta on 07-25-2008 at 12:29:15 AM
Reply to e3masta

You should be careful with the DDR2 1066 RAM. They are known to have incompatibilities. Try and get 2*2GB DR2 800 RAM. The E7200 is a good chip go for it if budget is a concern. Be careful with the PSU. It's a good quality one, but you might want to get a 550W or so (ie Corsair 550). As for motherboard:

If doing CrossFire: P45-DS3R
If not doing CrossFire: P35-DS3L or P45-DS3L.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Don't bother with 1066 MHz RAM, just go 2x2gb of DDR2 800 and you'll be great. But at the same time, don't be fearful of incompatibilities; find a motherboard you like and then look on the manufacturer's website to check RAM compatibility.

And Shadow, I can't find a P45-DS3R anywhere. Where can you purchase one?

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2x EVGA 8800GT 512mb OC'd, OCZ DDR2 1066MHz 4gb
OCZ 850W PSU, Seagate 750GB HDD SATA 32mb cache CM Stacker 830 SE
Sound setup: FireFace 800, JBL 4328 speakers
Reply to resonance451

^If from the US :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128344

 

note: I do not put the "E" on any of the boards(ie EP45-DS3L). It makes typing easier. There is no Gigabyte P45/X48 with out the "E" in front. The EP series of boards have DES (Dynamic Energy Saver) software. To disable DES just don't install the software.


Message edited by Shadow703793 on 07-25-2008 at 08:22:38 PM
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Reply to Shadow703793

Sounds good, I will probably go for the 7200.

As for memory, thanx for the headsup, they were similar in prices on the site I was browsing so I figured what the hell, get the 1066.

Ill look into a quality PSU also but I have a question about the video card.

Between the Gigabyte and the Sapphire, there's about a 50$ difference down here. Are they similar or should I put the $50 for the Gigabyte?

Reply to e3masta

Also, what do you guyz think of this RAM?

Was suggested by a friend of mine, since I do plan on doing xFire eventually.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227169

Reply to e3masta

You can also check Canada Computers and Infonec for some decent prices as well.

Reply to ndonato

e3masta wrote :

Also, what do you guyz think of this RAM?

Was suggested by a friend of mine, since I do plan on doing xFire eventually.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227169


CrossFire and RAM has nothing to do with each other. It's just marketing.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Gotcha.

I can't say THANK YOU enough to you guyz, especially to you, Shadow, to have been so generous of your time. All of the suggestions and information has helped me alot, I feel confident about building myself a solid rig now.

In the next few days I should be done shopping for prices and I'll come back to post the hardware I chose and how much the system will cost me to build, for those it might interest.

Thanx again, I'm amazed I've received this much help, you guyz rock!

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