I think the one you have is probably better. you have the 90nm one with 2x1mb of l2 cache. The new 6000+, like all other 65nm brisbanes, is 2x512 l2 cache with a slightly higher clock speed to compensate with the higher cache (slightly) lower clock. The only advantage to the new one is that it's 89W instead of 125W (which means lower temps). As long as your board can handle the higher TDP, and you have decent airflow through your case, you're not losing anything by having 90nm.

What about heat? Wouldn't the lower heat give it a bit more room to OC?

maybe a tad, but like 75454b said, these chips (even with proper cooling) probably won't clock past 3.4GHz. Even with liquid cooling, I'd say the best you'd get would be about 3.6Ghz

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It looks like the unofficial leaked road maps only provide 2 CPU's in December designed for boards with DDR2. They will be discontinued at the end of Q1 2009, so there's a small window for upgrades on AM2+ boards that can handle 125 watts. None of the 95 watt 45nm CPU's will support DDR2.

The later Denebs, the Propus, Hexa and Rana code named CPU's will all be DDR3, thus AM3 only. Unless the leaked road maps are wrong, it seems that AMD is running into problems getting both DDR2 and DDR3 to work with the same CPU's.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/a [...] ,6397.html

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] yule-deneb

Xbitlab's 3 weeks older article still mentions dual memory controllers on the Propus (but Propus won't have L3 cache).

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/d [...] Chips.html

Reports like these are why I gave in and switched motherboards and CPU last weekend. The X2 4600+ was limiting my graphics card too much and when I upgrade to Deneb or Hexa, I'll just get a new motherboard and RAM and switch this over to an HTPC.

If the price/performance of AM3 and DDR3 isn't worth it just 6 months after this upgrade, I'll just wait for a year until prices come down and I'm sure that whatever replaces AM3 board that replaces the 780G is stable with affordable RAM.

Deneb is only expected to be about 10% to 20% faster than B3's and that may only be the ones with L3 cache. I wonder if AMD will still be selling B3's into next spring and summer?

You should get a new PSU next. Maybe it's just me, but I never had luck with Raidmax PSU's. Have fun with your new system.

I wish the economy wasn't tanking out. I'd love to have a 3.0 gigahertz Deneb next spring. Looks like I'll be happy with my 8750 for awhile. If you're not married, just wait till you are. My wife needs her PC to be as up to speed as mine, and our 8 year old wants his kept up too (not that Spore or Fate are that intensive -- had to register his Spore under my name and e-mail as he's 2 years under the games' ratings).

Johnny Guru's a good site to go to for reviews.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/

Even a company with a bad rep because of barebones PSU's can have a good model that stands out. Most companies don't make their own PSU's, only a few do, but other companies rebrand. One old fashioned method to test quality is to heft a PSU in one's hand. I compared a Raidmax PSU from a barebones I built last year to the Antec True Power I replaced it with, and it was light as a feather in my left hand compared to the Antec in my right.

I've demonstrated the heft method to friends who wanted to buy the cheapest PSU at Fry's too and convinced them to go a bit better in quality. I never use barebones PSU's, though I might if I ever buy an Antec case with an Earthwatts or something similar.

Seasonic is a good company, they made all 3 of the Antec PSU's I have at home. Coolermaster got bad reviews for budget PSU's but back when Tom's had a PSU wiki, they were rated in the lowest "don't buy" tier along with Raidmax -- except for the one PSU I bought based on reviews in PC magazines that was rated one tier higher.

Are you implying you are going to continue using the PSU till it fails? 'Cause I would budget in to replace it with something decent within a year or so. The potential damage it could cause to your other components if it does blow up doesn't bare thinking about.

I have had a cheap PSU blow up on me (just a non-name PSU bundled with a case). It took out a RAM stick as it went (thankfully under warrenty). Are you willing to risk a HD head crash or similar??

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well, the only time I've had trouble with a psu was when i had my x-qpack and the psu got damaged when traveling...at that was after 3 years of having it...