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August 28, 2009 12:10:35 PM

Hi

I'm thinking of getting liquid cooling for my system because my current setup is somewhat loud and i need more cooling. i have looking around for water cooling kits and have found the ''Free zone Elite'' to be nice and compatible to work inside my system.

any thoughts about that particular kit. i don't mind any sort of kit as long as it fits in my case i have a thermaltake Spedo Advance. also would it be better to build a kit buy choosing all the right components. here is my system:

Core 920
Gigabyte GA EX58 Extreme
12 GB ram Crossiar Dominator 1600
ATI Fire GL v7700 soon to be an 4870x2
Thermaltake Spedo Advance.


Thanks in advance :p 

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a c 86 K Overclocking
August 28, 2009 12:40:00 PM

My thought? It's a pretty weak system but very easy to use. You'd be better served building your own. You'll probably be cooling the CPU and the better GPU when you get it.
Some linkies of real watercooling stuff for you.
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Guides
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=... Pretty up to date info and buying guide
 verclocking-and-cooling&Itemid=86" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://gilgameshreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten... Another good guide
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=... What to do once all the stuff is in the door
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22... Many build logs on MANY cases, great learning tool.

My latest rig:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=604016

Forums
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php? Not a noob site, but great stickies
http://www.ocforums.com/ My fav, good peeps, know their stuff, less hardcore
http://www.over-clock.com/ivb/inde [...] opic=20277 A GREAT Europe site
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/ Decent site

Tests on equipment, not reviews, truly scientific tests
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] n&ie=UTF-8 Info on rad testing
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22... More rad testing
http://skinneelabs.com/ Host for Martins lab and some newer tests
http://www.skinneelabs.com/MartinsLiquidLab/ Test results, very technical


Stores
http://www.dangerden.com
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/
http://www.performance-pcs.com
http://www.frozencpu.com/
August 28, 2009 1:04:35 PM

Thanks for the great links. to be honest it does seem rather intimidating partly because i don't think i will have that much space inside the case for a big radiator like the monsta for example. what attracted me to the freezone elite was the compact size.
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a c 330 K Overclocking
August 28, 2009 1:55:00 PM

The problem you run into with a 'compact size' radiator is that it won't adequately cool the components in the loop. It's simple physics: the more heat produced means that you need more surface area to dissipate the heat. It's why the radiator for a dump truck is far larger than the radiator for a Geo Metro.
August 28, 2009 7:53:05 PM

My psu takes most of the space at the bottom of the case. would i be able to mount the radiator on the top inside the case.
a b K Overclocking
August 28, 2009 9:32:54 PM

^ Koolance is pretty cheap (imo). (The Kolance CPU block may be OK, but their other stuff aren't)

$208 for a res & pump??? :lol: 

Many WCing pro's will tell you that Koolance is on the bottom of their list. Head over to OCF/xtremesystems/OCN if you want to see their input on Koolance.You may have had better luck with Koolance but their quality control is sh!t.

My recommendations:
GTZ block with i7 bolt in.
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa1.html
$70

MCP 655 (aka D5) vario
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html
$80

Swiftech MCR320 + rad
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab4.html
$70

12ft Tygon Tubing: $24-30 (Overkill on the length I know)


Total: $350.
August 28, 2009 11:17:57 PM

Hi buddy, i am sorry to inform you that those coolit units are not proper watercooling, its just peltier cooling and then water to cool the peltier. Peltiers are very good at cooling as they can go below ambient but have many disadvantages, please google them. I am assuming that you know how peltiers work; they create negative pressure just like a vacuum cleaner would, A peltier plate creates negative heat on one side of the plate and positive on the other. Also i have seen you need a powerful peltier unit to see good results. I dont know about the coolit peltier power, but i had a q6600 @ 3.6ghz on a 250W peltier that would do 5c idle and 16C load temp under intel burn test, it also required a seperate power supply. I am sure coolit unit is not as good but go with a regular water cooling kit and it will be all good i believe. ;)  Gl. I would explain peltiers in detail but i am taking a test :( 
August 28, 2009 11:20:29 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^ Koolance is pretty cheap (imo). (The Kolance CPU block may be OK, but their other stuff aren't)

$208 for a res & pump??? :lol: 

Many WCing pro's will tell you that Koolance is on the bottom of their list. Head over to OCF/xtremesystems/OCN if you want to see their input on Koolance.You may have had better luck with Koolance but their quality control is sh!t.

My recommendations:
GTZ block with i7 bolt in.
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzcpuwa1.html
$70

MCP 655 (aka D5) vario
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html
$80

Swiftech MCR320 + rad
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab4.html
$70

12ft Tygon Tubing: $24-30 (Overkill on the length I know)


Total: $350.



lol dude you sure thats 350$? :wahoo: 

but yeah if he makes a kit it would be cheaper and better.....lemme make one for him and post it. :??: 
August 28, 2009 11:28:23 PM

Here you go buddy...its 250 total with shipping....you can add a better radiator and still stay below 300 :)  Gl man



a b K Overclocking
August 28, 2009 11:32:05 PM

^ lol? Isn't that smiler what I posted?
August 28, 2009 11:32:23 PM





Hi, sorry bro koolance has some weak gear IMO :) , although their new 350 block is good, ek supreme came out with a new all copper block that beats it and costs almost same but 2 expensive for my taste. :bounce: 
August 28, 2009 11:33:05 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^ lol? Isn't that smiler what I posted?



lol yeah but 100 bux cheaper !!!!..jk dude i just wanted him to have some visual, thats all.
August 28, 2009 11:34:25 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^ lol? Isn't that smiler what I posted?




lol dude i have a question. How did you mount that 480 in antec 900 case? i have a HAF 932 and i am thinking about getting a 480 rad, thanks in advance.
;) 
a c 330 K Overclocking
August 29, 2009 1:37:46 AM

You don't always have to mount a rad inside a case. I have both of mine mounted on the outside. There is a lot more cool air out there.
a c 86 K Overclocking
August 29, 2009 3:38:55 AM




We try to steer people to something that won't be replaced in a year or so. Thanks, but if you were to suggest this on a real watercooling forum you'd get some awesome memorable replies.

Please don't, we are trying to help this guy.
a c 86 K Overclocking
August 29, 2009 3:42:06 AM

Time for the big cut n paste. Hope the OP wants to do it right:

Us guys have done the WC thing, there are basics you gotta know. Take a look, don't take it as a diss on you or a rebuttal, look at as a friend saying "Dude, you gotta know what to say and how to communicate".
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CPU HS $65
GPU HS and air HS for vram and mosfets $95, full cover block, $100-$200
Radiator $60 min, up to $130
Pump $50 +
Resiviour $25
Hose, some barbs and clamps etc (min $25, more like $35)
Fans $15-30

I went top notch and spent close to $600 to cool my CPU and GPU. You can do it for less, but a CPU only loop is $250 or so, add a GPU, add $100. If your looking at an i7 and a BIG GPU, start thinking about a big rad, possibly two rads, or even TWO loops.
First you gotta learn about WC. It's not like walking into Best Buy.
Spend a while (weeks is best for your sanity) at these links.
Look at the hundreds of loops close to your case and components in the stickies, read a couple 50 or so threads over the next week or so, you'll be on the ball to make the right choices and by then know how to put it together.
Not 'Roket Sience', but basic knowledge is required.
And you should spend a few hours on the listed sites reading threads. It's how we learn. Once the goodies show up on your doorstep your on your own.
For your benefit please spend a few days reading a LOT. At the busiest places for WC masters. Guys who have done it for YEARS at OC Forums and xtreme forums. It took me a while (I was OCing on air, aftermarket stuff, bios settings, best chipsets etc etc) to learn the language and the tricks to a easy install.

Don't expect miracles or SUPER DOOPER over clocks. What you will get is a quiet system that can handle OC to the max of your hardware IF you buy quality and buy smart. And minor maintenance too, a bonus for the water cooler.

Also while there please read on case mods etc. The radiators are not for small cases, pumps and hose routing, wire management and other things are important. Google your planned case and the word water-cooled in one line. You might get lucky. Look here too…. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22...
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Edit: The next paragraph was from 2008. With the advent of the HOT i7 and bigger GPU's, it has changed. A 220 size MIN rad for an i7, you want big overclocks, better go 320 sized rad.
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IF you just cool your CPU and your NB if you want, you can get by with a 120.2 sized radiator (RAD). And MAYBE fit in inside depending on your mod skillz. You want to cool your GPU too, you'll need a 120.3 sized rad, and it probably won't fit inside. The rear external rad really works great. No matter what your adding 10lbs to your PC.

Once you got an idea of what is good/bad then start getting your system for WC put together and we'll be glad to help.
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Cleaning a loop, not a new loop: I do this once a year, I drain and refill at 6 months, the next time I do this……
Wash hands very well, getting rid of hand oils.
For pumps and blocks, fittings, clamps, acrylic res/block parts.... not hose, tear it to smallest pieces, put in a bowl, heat water up not to boiling add 10% vinegar, when hot, pour over parts. Rinse in 10 min or so. Put aside.
The bocks will probably have some black oxidation. Take the copper parts out of the pile of parts you took out of the water. Dry well and pour ketchup on them, and set aside. Only the copper parts need this.
Rad cleaning: fill with very almost boiling hot water. Let sit 10 minutes, drain half out and shake for 5 min. Repeat till liquid is clean.
All the pump, block, fittings, and clamps, inspect, get in the tiniest corners with a tooth brush. Kind of meditative, time consuming, you learn a lot about o-ring size, how it all feels. Run a rag using a coat hanger and dish soap through the tubing, rinse well.
Rinse all the parts and hose with distilled, dry then really dry with an air compressor (nice extra step to get rid of water spots). Don’t need to dry the inside of the hose.
Now on to the copper parts, they should have been soaking an hour or two. A toothbrush and ketchup should clean much of the oxidation. It probably won’t be like new, but pretty darn good. Rinse, dry, and blow the parts.
That’s it.
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Benching software and such is very varied. I use these for each purpose:
These are pretty standard and used by many.
Monitoring the PC temps overall: HWmonitor aka hardware monitor
CPUZ for CPU info
GPUZ for GPU info
CPU only: RealTemp
GPU only: ATI Tool, I have a Nivida GTX280, so it works on Nvidia

Loading/benching tools:
CPU loaders: Prime95 and OCCT
GPU Loaders: ATI Tool and the best one is Furmark, nothing pushes the GPU harder right now.
Benching for overall graphics/gaming performance is 3DMark06
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Guides
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=... Pretty up to date info and buying guide
 verclocking-and-cooling&Itemid=86" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://gilgameshreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten... Another good guide
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=... What to do once all the stuff is in the door
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22... Many build logs on MANY cases, great learning tool.

My latest rig:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=604016

Forums
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php? Not a noob site, but great stickies
http://www.ocforums.com/ My fav, good peeps, know their stuff, less hardcore
http://www.over-clock.com/ivb/inde [...] opic=20277 A GREAT Europe site
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/ Decent site

Tests on equipment, not reviews, truly scientific tests
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] n&ie=UTF-8 Info on rad testing
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22... More rad testing
http://skinneelabs.com/ Host for Martins lab and some newer tests
http://www.skinneelabs.com/MartinsLiquidLab/ Test results, very technical


Stores
http://www.dangerden.com
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/
http://www.performance-pcs.com
http://www.frozencpu.com/
a b K Overclocking
August 30, 2009 4:59:48 PM

freezed1 said:
How did you mount that 480 in antec 900 case?


rubix_1011 said:
I have both of mine mounted on the outside. There is a lot more cool air out there.


There. Rubix is right. It's what I did. I could have tried to mount it in the 900 but it wasn't worth the hassle.

Made a custom stand with some Acrylic and Aluminum. (I don't know why, but I happen to have 2x12ft Aluminum 6061 in my garage and 5ft of 1/2" & 1/4" Copper tubing also :lol:  )
a c 330 K Overclocking
September 1, 2009 1:46:42 PM

^Thanks Shadow. The outside was the only place I could find room for 2x MCR320's. Plus, I made those big acrylic res's and they look kinda neat on the outside as well. Somewhat overkill, but a good conversation starter. :) 
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