Radicly cooling idea

if you were to put a raiator the reserve and the pump into a minifride and a secound radiator onto your computer to blow COLD AIR INTO you system would it work?

just a idea i had last night wonderin if it works
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  1. Spell check?

    No, its not going to get anywhere near cold enough to make a difference. Think about what you are planning:

    1. Fridge cools radiator
    2. tubing carries coolant to 2nd radiator on case
    3. 2nd radiator has room-temp air blowing through it, thus warming the 'cool' air.
    4. process repeats.

    To be honest, similar ideas have been posed several times before. You would be far better off getting a cheap window air conditioner and just blowing the cold air into your case than trying a loop like that. A minifridge would burn up trying to continuously cool the coolant, even if it remains close to outside room temperature. Refridgerators are meant to remove heat ONCE, then maintain cool temps...not consistently cool.
  2. is there spell check here?

    how bout a normal water cooling rig but have the RAD submerged into a antifereese for cars and a small pump to slowly move the antifreeze around?
  3. To move the antifreeze around what? For what purpose?

    You are somewhat referring to a slush box of sorts; submerging the heat exchanger (radiator) in an ice-water bath/tub. I assume this is what your concept is? It works well, just a pain in the ass to maintain 24/7 unless you configure a setup.

    Edit: And no, there isn't a spell check feature I am aware of, but open up a Word doc and let it do the editing for you...copy/paste.
  4. ^Or run FireFox which has spell check.

    This is why a fridge won't work: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=373263
  5. yes i have allready read the OC post

    the slush box as you called it makes some sense to me but being a noob i need other people to help

    the pump attached to it would serve to rotate the slush so that eddies of hot and cold are not manited and a general break down of the system happen trough a building of heat
    it could also be used as a resivoir ( i hate spelling so plz ingore it)
    thanks ppl
  6. ^ ??

    Not exactly sure what you are saying here...
  7. Blade9030 said:
    yes i have allready read the OC post

    the slush box as you called it makes some sense to me but being a noob i need other people to help

    the pump attached to it would serve to rotate the slush so that eddies of hot and cold are not manited and a general break down of the system happen trough a building of heat
    it could also be used as a resivoir ( i hate spelling so plz ingore it)
    thanks ppl



    A slush box works much better when you have a sort of phase change system cooling it. very easy to make and will yield negative temps.
  8. isnt that bad for a comp to have neg would mean a build up of condensation on electrical systems yeilding to shorts and so forth
    (i think)

    im a guy thats been pounding the streets for 3 months and still no job so money is tight i was hoping to build somthing in the price range of CHEAP!!!(free is nice to)
  9. Cheap cooling ain't happining. Sorry.
  10. Na its actually better to have negative temps as long as you insulate the board.

    If you have an old a/c unit and a cooler you could make one for free but the insulation is gunna cost you $20.

    Im assuming you already have the water cooling pump?

    Also if you dont have a a/c unit you could buy one on craigs list for $50.
  11. ^ What about the tools? :P
  12. I am convinced that duct tape, zip ties, hose clamps, dremel, drill and imagination are the only tools you need.

    Most people have 5 of the 6.
  13. ^For phase change you need solder,etc. That's what I was talking about as overshocked mentioned it. ;)
  14. Shadow703793 said:
    ^For phase change you need solder,etc. That's what I was talking about as overshocked mentioned it. ;)



    Na, slush box is eas you actually only need a screwdriver.
  15. add salt to a pure bucket of ice and your temps could get down to -10c if the ice has just come out of the freezer
  16. but ice dosent last and when gamming you cant pause every ten min. to fill with ice....

    how bout taking the radiator ans running water over it once in a nucler power plant and there cooling towers?
    if you were to use the same concept but with a water hose instead of a river (unless you were really close to one?) and what about using thermal heat from the earth?
    the earth stays a good 69F (or somethin like that) and they use it in ecofriendly homes to keep the house on temp ALL THE TIME so why not run one trough a comp?
  17. Been done Blade, works great! Problem is you have to go down over 10 ft, $100s for the drilling and copper or stainless, a big pump to overcome the distance etc, insulating tubes etc.

    See build logs of such, it's a great idea.
  18. Or you could just put solar panels on your roof, have them power some elaborate cooling system, which has your computer sealed in a room, it dries the air (vents the water vapor out), then super cools it and blows it over your computer at negative temps, and then repeats the cycle.
  19. Do a slush box.... im telling you guys.

    just insulate the board. Alot of people (including me) run sub zero 24/7.
  20. tkgclimb said:
    Or you could just put solar panels on your roof, have them power some elaborate cooling system, which has your computer sealed in a room, it dries the air (vents the water vapor out), then super cools it and blows it over your computer at negative temps, and then repeats the cycle.



    Ohh an Air Conditioner! Thats what an AC unit does exactly. Except it's not super cooled. An AC unit like that would be in the few $1000 range.
  21. TEC FTW :D jk. Any ways, anyone know of a TEC that's able to cool and i7?
  22. Depends if your overclocking or not.

    You could do it with a 300w tec but that wouldnt be getting you sub-z.

    You can get 585w tec's but you need a great cooler on the opposite side. Are you using it with a water cooler?
  23. ^Yeah, thinking of pairing it with a GTZ (got 2x of them during the $40 sale at Frozen :D ). Don't have a spare TEC with me right now. (Only got a 40W QMax one used for lasers on me atm)
  24. i know that there is a guy on ebay who sells 540w tec's for a super cheap price.

    I considered buying one just because they were so cheap. the only problem is that they are 3 inches.
  25. ^ Seen this?
    545W: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310166117023
    ~2.5" which I think may fit on the i7 (haven't look at the data sheets lol)

    Or this: 400W: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310166116337
    50mm =~2"
  26. yeah that 400w 2 incher would work.
  27. Conumdrum said:
    Ohh an Air Conditioner! Thats what an AC unit does exactly. Except it's not super cooled. An AC unit like that would be in the few $1000 range.


    but mine is green.

    PS, Didn't know that AC dried the air enough to use negative temps.
  28. tkg, yea an AC is exactly what you described. The removal of humidity is a byproduct of cooling the air. Cooler air isn't able to hold as much water vapor. So it's not the removal of humidity, it's the air flowing over below ambient fins.

    But yea, I'm sure you can make a chiller that will take air temps down really low.

    Here is one world famous one. -80F!! I was there at the base back in the 70's. I got or did have a pic of me standing on a 15ft pile of snow holding a big thermometer that said ohh, was about 90 or so.
    http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landmarks/5590.pdf

    If the Link don't work Google this:
    sub zero hangar eglin afb

    BTW, most whole house AC units will use lots more power than a FULL roof of solar panels can deliver.
  29. ^, yeah now that I think about it, I knew that cooling dried the air, so the cooler you go the more dry the air is (just wasn't thinking).

    To really make it effective, your case or a container that your computer is in, would have to be completely sealed. But since you are just cooling (granted super cooling) a small area, your unit shouldn't use that much.

    You could even forgo the solar panels drill a big hole in the ground and go geothermal.
  30. Blade9030 said:
    if you were to put a raiator the reserve and the pump into a minifride and a secound radiator onto your computer to blow COLD AIR INTO you system would it work?

    just a idea i had last night wonderin if it works


    Your idea is valid but the implementation 9comemrcial fridge) is off a bit. Not only is the concept valid but way back in the last millenium, you could buy pre-manufactured products....assuming you had oodles of cash to spend. These days, Thermaltake is way ahead of you, as was others long before them. Seen the case reviewed at Tweaktown, seems it is a bit undersized and got sent back to the design team. Haven't seen it in the channel except for a short spurt and was quickly withdrawn.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-core-i7,2268-3.html

    Ya wanna see how far back "in the channel" products go ?

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kryotech,137.html'

    I remember reading that when it 1st hit THG's pages. Guess I'm "showing my age" w/ that one :)
  31. what about vacume sealing the whole computer and then submersing it in a noncoundutive liqued? that is cooled or super cooled
  32. Blade9030 said:
    what about vacume sealing the whole computer and then submersing it in a noncoundutive liqued? that is cooled or super cooled


    Here ya go:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/strip-fans,1203.html

    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/236267-31-cool-true-mineral-submerged
  33. ohhh...... welll waht about seperating you CPU completly off the board and put it into its own box to keep it cool and not heat up the other componets
  34. Blade9030 said:
    ohhh...... welll waht about seperating you CPU completly off the board and put it into its own box to keep it cool and not heat up the other componets


    There are 1366 pins on an i7 . Not only couldn't you route the cables, but the added resistance would make the CPU unworkable.
  35. well thats the end of all my ideas for cooling any one else got any ideas
  36. Quote:
    what about vacume sealing the whole computer and then submersing it in a noncoundutive liqued? that is cooled or super cooled


    well it doesn't need to be vacum sealed, just water tight, and super cooling the liquid would be difficult but not impossible (probably about the same as any other extreme cooling idea)

    Blade9030 said:
    ohhh...... welll waht about seperating you CPU completly off the board and put it into its own box to keep it cool and not heat up the other componets


    well separating the CPU of the board would be kinda difficult (unless they make some sort of sick cable, which i'm pretty sure they don't).
  37. ok if we had all we needed to make it would it work?
    takle the cpu and seal it up then sink it into some cold liqued then cool the rest of the system normaly?
  38. Separate the CPU from it's socket and it no workie ... the performance of the CPU is dependent upon a short path from the CPU socket to the various chipsets.
  39. I always thought something sick would be to make a ln2 pot that sealed perfectly around the CPU. and then have the LN2 directly cool the CPU, like actually touch it, instead of going through the copper.

    Don't know if it would be possible since rubber gaskets and stuff wouldn't work with LN2, or even if it would be worth it, but it would still be "radical"
  40. Wow I walk away. Too wierd. Getting way out there.

    have fun.
  41. welll have fun coundrum with a borin life

    and what is a LN2
  42. Blade9030 said:
    welll have fun coundrum with a borin life

    and what is a LN2


    liquid nitrogen, they say LN2 and not LN because nitrogen is a double molecule (there is some fancy word for that, but i forget it) so its form is actually N2

    Thinking of something else if you had your computer sitting in oil (so its in a sealed case) and then pumped the oil into something that gave you negative temps (anything) and then back into the computer, it would cool everything, and you wouldn't have to worry about condenstation because your computer is already sitting in oil and in a sealed case.
  43. what about dry ice?
    if you had some way to make it then droppe it on you rad would that work?
  44. I'm no longer going to comment on this tread as you don't seem to grasp some basic concepts. It's your stuff. Do what you will.
  45. God damnit!

    I dont cuss much but this is one of those cases.... Look up dice cooling on the internet... i do it.
  46. Blade9030 said:
    what about dry ice?
    if you had some way to make it then droppe it on you rad would that work?


    Dude, we've already discussed the problem with having a radiator in a ice chest, or sitting in dry ice. It just isn't a feasible long term solution

    As for using dry ice or LN2 to cool, look at some of Overshocked's cooling posts, they are sweet, and will show you (with pics) how it all works, and what you do with it. (try to set over clocking records and just go has high as you can)
  47. You can't fix stupid.
  48. i am srry for my lack of knowledge in computer cooling and that is why i am posting on this form to gain knoledge that will help olmost everyone i know i put ideas out there if yall do not like them ok i understand people have stupid ideas im a person and so are you (i hope) everyone starts some were and everyone has diff EXP from life is that not why they created forms to help spread that trought out the world?? i am srry for my stupid ideas and will refrain from now on have a good day sirs and madams(if any)
  49. IT's not just your "stupid" ideas it's your ignorance to read stuff that people have already posted, and then if you still have some specific or even general question, to ask them. Listen to what people have to say, even if you don't like it.
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