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September 1, 2009 1:50:47 PM

if you were to put a raiator the reserve and the pump into a minifride and a secound radiator onto your computer to blow COLD AIR INTO you system would it work?

just a idea i had last night wonderin if it works

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a c 330 K Overclocking
September 1, 2009 2:27:51 PM

Spell check?

No, its not going to get anywhere near cold enough to make a difference. Think about what you are planning:

1. Fridge cools radiator
2. tubing carries coolant to 2nd radiator on case
3. 2nd radiator has room-temp air blowing through it, thus warming the 'cool' air.
4. process repeats.

To be honest, similar ideas have been posed several times before. You would be far better off getting a cheap window air conditioner and just blowing the cold air into your case than trying a loop like that. A minifridge would burn up trying to continuously cool the coolant, even if it remains close to outside room temperature. Refridgerators are meant to remove heat ONCE, then maintain cool temps...not consistently cool.
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September 1, 2009 2:55:37 PM

is there spell check here?

how bout a normal water cooling rig but have the RAD submerged into a antifereese for cars and a small pump to slowly move the antifreeze around?
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a c 330 K Overclocking
September 1, 2009 3:16:22 PM

To move the antifreeze around what? For what purpose?

You are somewhat referring to a slush box of sorts; submerging the heat exchanger (radiator) in an ice-water bath/tub. I assume this is what your concept is? It works well, just a pain in the ass to maintain 24/7 unless you configure a setup.

Edit: And no, there isn't a spell check feature I am aware of, but open up a Word doc and let it do the editing for you...copy/paste.
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September 1, 2009 5:46:03 PM

yes i have allready read the OC post

the slush box as you called it makes some sense to me but being a noob i need other people to help

the pump attached to it would serve to rotate the slush so that eddies of hot and cold are not manited and a general break down of the system happen trough a building of heat
it could also be used as a resivoir ( i hate spelling so plz ingore it)
thanks ppl
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a c 330 K Overclocking
September 1, 2009 6:52:17 PM

^ ??

Not exactly sure what you are saying here...
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a b K Overclocking
September 1, 2009 6:59:53 PM

Blade9030 said:
yes i have allready read the OC post

the slush box as you called it makes some sense to me but being a noob i need other people to help

the pump attached to it would serve to rotate the slush so that eddies of hot and cold are not manited and a general break down of the system happen trough a building of heat
it could also be used as a resivoir ( i hate spelling so plz ingore it)
thanks ppl



A slush box works much better when you have a sort of phase change system cooling it. very easy to make and will yield negative temps.
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September 1, 2009 7:50:00 PM

isnt that bad for a comp to have neg would mean a build up of condensation on electrical systems yeilding to shorts and so forth
(i think)

im a guy thats been pounding the streets for 3 months and still no job so money is tight i was hoping to build somthing in the price range of CHEAP!!!(free is nice to)
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a c 86 K Overclocking
September 2, 2009 3:40:56 AM

Cheap cooling ain't happining. Sorry.
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a b K Overclocking
September 2, 2009 7:40:20 AM

Na its actually better to have negative temps as long as you insulate the board.

If you have an old a/c unit and a cooler you could make one for free but the insulation is gunna cost you $20.

Im assuming you already have the water cooling pump?

Also if you dont have a a/c unit you could buy one on craigs list for $50.
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a b K Overclocking
September 2, 2009 4:17:46 PM

^ What about the tools? :p 
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a c 330 K Overclocking
September 3, 2009 7:55:26 PM

I am convinced that duct tape, zip ties, hose clamps, dremel, drill and imagination are the only tools you need.

Most people have 5 of the 6.
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a b K Overclocking
September 3, 2009 8:17:25 PM

^For phase change you need solder,etc. That's what I was talking about as overshocked mentioned it. ;) 
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a b K Overclocking
September 3, 2009 11:17:35 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^For phase change you need solder,etc. That's what I was talking about as overshocked mentioned it. ;) 



Na, slush box is eas you actually only need a screwdriver.
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a b K Overclocking
September 5, 2009 5:36:03 PM

add salt to a pure bucket of ice and your temps could get down to -10c if the ice has just come out of the freezer
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September 11, 2009 8:24:36 PM

but ice dosent last and when gamming you cant pause every ten min. to fill with ice....

how bout taking the radiator ans running water over it once in a nucler power plant and there cooling towers?
if you were to use the same concept but with a water hose instead of a river (unless you were really close to one?) and what about using thermal heat from the earth?
the earth stays a good 69F (or somethin like that) and they use it in ecofriendly homes to keep the house on temp ALL THE TIME so why not run one trough a comp?
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a c 86 K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 1:50:19 AM

Been done Blade, works great! Problem is you have to go down over 10 ft, $100s for the drilling and copper or stainless, a big pump to overcome the distance etc, insulating tubes etc.

See build logs of such, it's a great idea.
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September 12, 2009 4:14:49 AM

Or you could just put solar panels on your roof, have them power some elaborate cooling system, which has your computer sealed in a room, it dries the air (vents the water vapor out), then super cools it and blows it over your computer at negative temps, and then repeats the cycle.
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a b K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 3:44:03 PM

Do a slush box.... im telling you guys.

just insulate the board. Alot of people (including me) run sub zero 24/7.
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a c 86 K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 4:38:49 PM

tkgclimb said:
Or you could just put solar panels on your roof, have them power some elaborate cooling system, which has your computer sealed in a room, it dries the air (vents the water vapor out), then super cools it and blows it over your computer at negative temps, and then repeats the cycle.



Ohh an Air Conditioner! Thats what an AC unit does exactly. Except it's not super cooled. An AC unit like that would be in the few $1000 range.
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a b K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 5:34:24 PM

TEC FTW :D  jk. Any ways, anyone know of a TEC that's able to cool and i7?
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a b K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 6:36:16 PM

Depends if your overclocking or not.

You could do it with a 300w tec but that wouldnt be getting you sub-z.

You can get 585w tec's but you need a great cooler on the opposite side. Are you using it with a water cooler?
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a b K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 8:43:52 PM

^Yeah, thinking of pairing it with a GTZ (got 2x of them during the $40 sale at Frozen :D  ). Don't have a spare TEC with me right now. (Only got a 40W QMax one used for lasers on me atm)
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a b K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 9:05:40 PM

i know that there is a guy on ebay who sells 540w tec's for a super cheap price.

I considered buying one just because they were so cheap. the only problem is that they are 3 inches.
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a b K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 10:03:07 PM

yeah that 400w 2 incher would work.
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September 12, 2009 11:22:00 PM

Conumdrum said:
Ohh an Air Conditioner! Thats what an AC unit does exactly. Except it's not super cooled. An AC unit like that would be in the few $1000 range.


but mine is green.

PS, Didn't know that AC dried the air enough to use negative temps.
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a c 86 K Overclocking
September 12, 2009 11:44:40 PM

tkg, yea an AC is exactly what you described. The removal of humidity is a byproduct of cooling the air. Cooler air isn't able to hold as much water vapor. So it's not the removal of humidity, it's the air flowing over below ambient fins.

But yea, I'm sure you can make a chiller that will take air temps down really low.

Here is one world famous one. -80F!! I was there at the base back in the 70's. I got or did have a pic of me standing on a 15ft pile of snow holding a big thermometer that said ohh, was about 90 or so.
http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landm...

If the Link don't work Google this:
sub zero hangar eglin afb

BTW, most whole house AC units will use lots more power than a FULL roof of solar panels can deliver.
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September 12, 2009 11:54:51 PM

^, yeah now that I think about it, I knew that cooling dried the air, so the cooler you go the more dry the air is (just wasn't thinking).

To really make it effective, your case or a container that your computer is in, would have to be completely sealed. But since you are just cooling (granted super cooling) a small area, your unit shouldn't use that much.

You could even forgo the solar panels drill a big hole in the ground and go geothermal.
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a c 163 K Overclocking
September 13, 2009 1:10:19 AM

Blade9030 said:
if you were to put a raiator the reserve and the pump into a minifride and a secound radiator onto your computer to blow COLD AIR INTO you system would it work?

just a idea i had last night wonderin if it works


Your idea is valid but the implementation 9comemrcial fridge) is off a bit. Not only is the concept valid but way back in the last millenium, you could buy pre-manufactured products....assuming you had oodles of cash to spend. These days, Thermaltake is way ahead of you, as was others long before them. Seen the case reviewed at Tweaktown, seems it is a bit undersized and got sent back to the design team. Haven't seen it in the channel except for a short spurt and was quickly withdrawn.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-core-i7,2...

Ya wanna see how far back "in the channel" products go ?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kryotech,137.html'

I remember reading that when it 1st hit THG's pages. Guess I'm "showing my age" w/ that one :) 
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September 13, 2009 3:08:29 AM

what about vacume sealing the whole computer and then submersing it in a noncoundutive liqued? that is cooled or super cooled
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September 13, 2009 3:24:04 AM

ohhh...... welll waht about seperating you CPU completly off the board and put it into its own box to keep it cool and not heat up the other componets
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a c 163 K Overclocking
September 13, 2009 3:45:40 AM

Blade9030 said:
ohhh...... welll waht about seperating you CPU completly off the board and put it into its own box to keep it cool and not heat up the other componets


There are 1366 pins on an i7 . Not only couldn't you route the cables, but the added resistance would make the CPU unworkable.
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September 13, 2009 3:47:05 AM

well thats the end of all my ideas for cooling any one else got any ideas
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September 13, 2009 3:57:38 AM

Quote:
what about vacume sealing the whole computer and then submersing it in a noncoundutive liqued? that is cooled or super cooled


well it doesn't need to be vacum sealed, just water tight, and super cooling the liquid would be difficult but not impossible (probably about the same as any other extreme cooling idea)

Blade9030 said:
ohhh...... welll waht about seperating you CPU completly off the board and put it into its own box to keep it cool and not heat up the other componets


well separating the CPU of the board would be kinda difficult (unless they make some sort of sick cable, which i'm pretty sure they don't).

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September 13, 2009 4:01:07 AM

ok if we had all we needed to make it would it work?
takle the cpu and seal it up then sink it into some cold liqued then cool the rest of the system normaly?
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a c 163 K Overclocking
September 13, 2009 4:08:25 AM

Separate the CPU from it's socket and it no workie ... the performance of the CPU is dependent upon a short path from the CPU socket to the various chipsets.
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September 13, 2009 4:13:55 AM

I always thought something sick would be to make a ln2 pot that sealed perfectly around the CPU. and then have the LN2 directly cool the CPU, like actually touch it, instead of going through the copper.

Don't know if it would be possible since rubber gaskets and stuff wouldn't work with LN2, or even if it would be worth it, but it would still be "radical"
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a c 86 K Overclocking
September 13, 2009 5:12:35 AM

Wow I walk away. Too wierd. Getting way out there.

have fun.
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September 14, 2009 1:00:12 PM

welll have fun coundrum with a borin life

and what is a LN2
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September 14, 2009 1:22:05 PM

Blade9030 said:
welll have fun coundrum with a borin life

and what is a LN2


liquid nitrogen, they say LN2 and not LN because nitrogen is a double molecule (there is some fancy word for that, but i forget it) so its form is actually N2

Thinking of something else if you had your computer sitting in oil (so its in a sealed case) and then pumped the oil into something that gave you negative temps (anything) and then back into the computer, it would cool everything, and you wouldn't have to worry about condenstation because your computer is already sitting in oil and in a sealed case.
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September 14, 2009 4:22:31 PM

what about dry ice?
if you had some way to make it then droppe it on you rad would that work?
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a b K Overclocking
September 14, 2009 4:30:04 PM

I'm no longer going to comment on this tread as you don't seem to grasp some basic concepts. It's your stuff. Do what you will.
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a b K Overclocking
September 14, 2009 5:24:46 PM

God damnit!

I dont cuss much but this is one of those cases.... Look up dice cooling on the internet... i do it.
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September 14, 2009 5:35:05 PM

Blade9030 said:
what about dry ice?
if you had some way to make it then droppe it on you rad would that work?


Dude, we've already discussed the problem with having a radiator in a ice chest, or sitting in dry ice. It just isn't a feasible long term solution

As for using dry ice or LN2 to cool, look at some of Overshocked's cooling posts, they are sweet, and will show you (with pics) how it all works, and what you do with it. (try to set over clocking records and just go has high as you can)
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a c 330 K Overclocking
September 14, 2009 5:56:17 PM

You can't fix stupid.
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September 14, 2009 11:31:02 PM

i am srry for my lack of knowledge in computer cooling and that is why i am posting on this form to gain knoledge that will help olmost everyone i know i put ideas out there if yall do not like them ok i understand people have stupid ideas im a person and so are you (i hope) everyone starts some were and everyone has diff EXP from life is that not why they created forms to help spread that trought out the world?? i am srry for my stupid ideas and will refrain from now on have a good day sirs and madams(if any)
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September 15, 2009 12:15:16 AM

IT's not just your "stupid" ideas it's your ignorance to read stuff that people have already posted, and then if you still have some specific or even general question, to ask them. Listen to what people have to say, even if you don't like it.
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