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September 2, 2009 11:56:41 PM

I have a PQ5 Motherboard and an E7400 C2D and I want to overclock. I am a computer technician and I know my way around computers extremely well, but overclocking is new to me. I am learning hardware terms and types as fast as I can, but on this overclocking, I wanted some member input before I go and turn my processor into a melted slush.

Can someone tell me what I would need to do, and whats the most I could expect to gain out of this setup. I am able fill any requests for information and I would be happy to answer any questions.

Everything a body would need to know is posted below.

Processor Information


Motherboard Information


BIOS screens
http://i29.tinypic.com/296klj9.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/23kuqv4.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/oggdoz.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/2v953eh.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/2chrwwj.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/1zgfewn.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/ng2icx.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/5u1itt.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/mikob9.jpg

and some information on my bios
BIOS Type: AMI
BIOS Version: 0703

My aftermarket cpu cooler is this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My computer case is this [if it matters]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My System Information is as follows


Hopefully you can tell I am serious about this and regardless of what I get for responses, I plan on attempting to overclock anyways, so any help would be awesome, as I am a 100% noob on overclocking
and one more thing, if you specify something like "change your FSB" or "increase your voltage" please supply some simple instructions on how to do whatever it is you are suggesting, as the bios is one place I do not have extensive knowledge. [lol, and I would rather not be constantly rebooting... =P]

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September 3, 2009 1:56:45 AM

My gawd, gimme some slack here, I am new to overclocking and I really don't want to have to digest that whole massively confusing thread. Can't someone who is very well versed in this give me some pointers.

Hell, a few "go here" and "Do this's" would be epic.
I am not trying to sound ungrateful, but I have been reading threads all day, and so many of them are "Almost" what I need, but never quite there. None of them cover my bios and ALL of them are over my head...

Thanks!
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September 3, 2009 2:18:47 AM

Any specific speed you looking to reach? Also what kind of ram do you have. Board i have is p5q pro is this what you have as well?
September 3, 2009 2:44:34 AM

Nope, don't have the pro and I am not sure what the difference is. As for what speed am I looking to reach, to be completely honest, I have never OC'd but I want to. I don't have a speed I am looking to achieve, I am just better at learning by "doing" so I want to "do" to learn. I hope you understand.

For the first time, I really was looking forward to simple instructions and a personalized guide. I would then take my knowledge and the guide and go learn by myself via research. I just need a simple jump start.

I know I am sounding kinda demanding and high maintenance, but I really do prefer to learn from research, instead of making posts in forums asking for specific help. This is the first step towards my learning experience. I am just in need of a jumpstart.

Thanks!
September 3, 2009 3:34:48 AM

Ok Maybe this will get you going first disable cpu q-fan control so that cpu fan runs wide open the fan you have isnt loud at max speed anyway follow this link for bios location.



Heres a pic you might can use as reference of some sort but dont follow the oc settings settings.

Next go to the ai tweaker tab in bios and change the following settings
1.Set Ai Overclock Tuner to manual
2.Fsb Frequency set to 325 this will give you a oc up to 3.4ghz 325x10.5 = 3412.5MHZ
3.PCIE Frequency set at 100
4.DRAM Frequency Change to whatever speed your ram is rated to run at if the option for your speed isnt their pick one that is below so it doesnt oc ram
5.Dram Timing Leave on Auto
6.Leave All voltage settings to Auto at least until your more into the work of things the higher the oc less dependable auto setting is for cpu voltage.

If the pics from your first post are correct then i assume you have disabled the cpu power saving features such as speedstep and c1e. I see no reason why the cpu you have would not boot and do fine for any of those settings but in the event it doesnt boot try a lower fsb frequency. Or check to make sure your not running ram out of spec under dram frequency
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 3, 2009 5:13:56 PM

That thread is not confusing at all, the reason I stated you read first is due to the fact that if you are new to overclocking I would rather have you read first and get an idea of how the whole process works, then once you are familiar with the basics you can start overclocking in increments.... You should know this since you stated that you are a computer tech....

I guess opticon already covered what I was about to post....
September 3, 2009 5:36:48 PM

I have the same processor, perhaps I could help. I am running at 3.5GHz (10.5x333) with 1.29375V. Perhaps you could use my setting and run a stability test and if successful, slowly scale it down. E7400 is an insane overclocking chip, it can take almost everything you dish out at it. But bear in mind that you will have to adjust DRAM ratio.
September 4, 2009 3:06:37 AM

You should expect some pretty good results from that processor, it's quite the overclocker. You do have to be willing to do some research though. The Guide OverClkr posted is not very long at all, and has some useful info for first timers. If you haven't already i'd suggest reading it, it can't be more then a couple thousand words.

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Hell, a few "go here" and "Do this's" would be epic.
I am not trying to sound ungrateful, but I have been reading threads all day, and so many of them are "Almost" what I need, but never quite there. None of them cover my bios and ALL of them are over my head...


That's exactly what OvrClkr did, he gave you a resource to learn the basiqs. <--Sorry, had to :)  Perhaps this thread might be useful, it's fairly detailed about overclocking with the P5 series mobo from Asus. You may have read it already. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/249352-29-overclockin... All BIOSs for the Core2 line and similar, are all very similar. Perhaps some different terminology for the same stuff. But a quick specific google search should explain a particular BIOS option. Sometimes even the Mobo manual has some good stuff in it. Either way, we can't help you much if you can't understand what we're saying. So unfortunately you get to do some more reading.

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Nope, don't have the pro and I am not sure what the difference is. As for what speed am I looking to reach, to be completely honest, I have never OC'd but I want to. I don't have a speed I am looking to achieve, I am just better at learning by "doing" so I want to "do" to learn. I hope you understand.


The difference between the Pro and the P5Q is a couple features, the BIOS should be identical. Unfortunately doing without knowing in this case could break something.

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For the first time, I really was looking forward to simple instructions and a personalized guide. I would then take my knowledge and the guide and go learn by myself via research. I just need a simple jump start.


Our instructions have been simple, at least i think so. Also a personal guide usually costs money, but a little digging could find you a thread that meets your needs. What we are trying to get at is you questions need to be much more specific, like if you get stumped while overclocking. We aren't going to write you a comprehensive guide to overclocking in your situation, especially since each processor behaves differently, and because there's so many guides out there that will teach you how. You have to feel your way yourself, or you'll have even more questions later.

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I know I am sounding kinda demanding and high maintenance, but I really do prefer to learn from research, instead of making posts in forums asking for specific help. This is the first step towards my learning experience. I am just in need of a jumpstart.


Then get movin' :)  I'll be glad to help when you don't have anymore questions like "How do i overclock."

We don't mean to be rude, we want to help. Just don't want to practically do it for you either, that's no fun.
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 4, 2009 3:18:42 AM

Yea im sorry, it was not my intention to sound rude. It's hard trust me... many have asked the same question as you and I ended up having to explain for days till the person got it..... I learned by reading, reading alot and the asking questions later, trust me I had many questions and thanks to many including Lucuis, overshocked, videl and MANY more I have an OVERLOAD of info. Of course all of this was only possible because of this website. Anyways let us know if you need anything and we will help you, but please read. Hehe, the more you know the better!!!!!
September 4, 2009 4:26:23 AM

Well, I tried everything 0ptic0n recommended, loaded the OS fine, then it froze. So I rebooted, froze again, so I turned the FSB to 315 and manually set the CPU Ratio to 8.0. It did not freeze immediately, though the mouse had stopped working oddly enough. but after about 2 min it did.

Becoming frustrated, I went and did a bios reset. and dam, it STILL froze. So I rebuild my OS on a new hdd on the same system. Installed XP Pro, then added SP2 and SP3. Its a fresh build and it STILL freezes. I am very distraught at the instability I can not explain. Its all back to the way it was. Whats wrong?

Any suggestions would be capital. And if I can get through this, I still want to try out all the instructions given to me. But the lack of stability makes me think I fried something and the system locking up is kinda not ignorable so... Hope not, but if so, I guess its the cost of learning.

Thanks for all the awesome replies, and I await your responses!
-BASiQ
September 4, 2009 4:37:31 AM

Did you follow the manual's instructions on resetting the BIOS to factory defaults. If not, try that to be sure it reset properly.

Freezing generally is cause by CPU instability or a dying motherboard, crashing can be related to multiple things but it's commonly RAM.

I'm hoping the reset just didn't take properly. Also did you happen to get temps from your experiments?
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 4, 2009 4:46:56 AM

Did you write down or save the settings when you crashed initially?

What are your RAM timings and voltage?
September 4, 2009 5:22:52 AM

OvrClkr said:
Did you write down or save the settings when you crashed initially?

What are your RAM timings and voltage?


Agreed would be interesting to see what dram frequency was selected running ram out of spec can cause the sudden freeze that's being described but that will usually happen after post or while booting windows dropping cpu ratio down to 8 isn't going to help. A higher multiplier makes overclocking easier because its less strenuous on the chip-set.

Hmm he said he followed the instructions I posted and in one of those pics it shows the cpu ratio at 8x. Then he tried an 8x ratio on his don't use any of those settings for your oc. I only posted that as reference so that you could see the type of settings that are typically changed in the bios you have, the only setting from the pics you should change is the one that manages fan speeds. In those other pics the values are for different hardware that may not apply at all to what you have.
September 4, 2009 3:50:58 PM

This is what I did.

1.Set Ai Overclock Tuner to manual
2.Fsb Frequency set to 325
3.PCIE Frequency set at 100
4.DRAM Frequency left at auto, because my RAM is 333 and its lowest was way higher.
5.Dram Timing Leave on Auto
6.Leave All voltage settings to Auto

and then I changed 2 settings
FSB to 315
and CPU Ratio to 8x.

I did not follow your image of the BiOS as you said not to, but since you did not give me a cpu ratio, I just thought I would give yours a try.

I am still having random freezing after a manual bios reset. I checked everything I could think of. But OC'ing does things I don't usually encounter to hardware so it could be anything.

According to Everest my CPU is running at 32c at idle and its peaking at 43c at 100% CPU. I ran it at 100 for about 5 min and it never exceeded 43. [Running 2 Ultimate compression 7Zip compressions together]

I then ran the Everest system stress test on CPU only. and the CPU peaked at 47c and stayed there for 3 min so I stopped. All together it ran it for 5 min. The system seems stable enough, except for the random freezing.

Running memtest now to see if it comes up with anything.
September 4, 2009 4:14:20 PM

Ran dual memtests on 745mb and they both went to 120%. 20 min time. Showing 0 errors.
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 4, 2009 4:18:28 PM

20 min is not going to do anything, at least test your ram for several hours.....

If you test for 20 min it is most likely that you will see 0 errors since the begining of the test starts out weak....Your PC should not freeze at all during the test unless you have 1 or more defective modules.
September 4, 2009 5:12:48 PM

Well, this is assuming it IS the ram. I agree it could be, but I am not so sure it is. Though you have more experience in this then I so, so if you think it is the ram, I will tun a ramtest through the night.

One question though. The ram test wanted me to do multiple simultaneous scans instead of one big ones, hence the 745mb test. So, if I am going to be spending hours on a test, how do I make it so I only have to run one test.

Also, just now, the system, downloading windows updates locked up again. I see the OS, the system keeps running like normal, but nothing works. Windows updates froze, mouse and kbd dont work. Its starting to piss me off that everything is back to normal and I STILL get this.. I must of done something wrong, but I just dont know what.
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 4, 2009 5:19:05 PM

It's most likely a RAM issue, once you have memtested the RAM for several hours you should get some errors, it can be in the middle of the test or at the end. If it is not the ram then we would have to check other parts and troubleshoot.

As far as the test goes it will do multiple tests in different areas of the modules, that is normal operation... Just leave it alone for at least 3-4 hours and you should be fine.
September 4, 2009 5:40:59 PM

Ok, one more question. After research online your perfect wisdom seems to be correct. Ram is the most common culprit of this issue. My question though is I need a test to test and tell me which stick is back. I have 4 1GB sticks. and I cant afford to replace them all at once.

Any ideas?
Thanks!

PS: The main thing that prompted the research was the immaculately clean Event Viewer... Obviously something getting a jump on the OS outside of the debugger.
a b V Motherboard
September 4, 2009 5:53:33 PM

well, you could test them one at a time with memtest, then you would know which one is bad
September 4, 2009 6:17:22 PM

Yeah, well that sounds like 8 hours... As from what I can tell, 2 hours is a good test time. But I kinda don't have 8 hours... I don't know... I guess I could, just asking if someone has an app to test each all at once.
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 4, 2009 6:51:12 PM

Yea mindless is correct, you have to test each module individually and see which one is defective, but before you do that make sure you test all 4 sticks first to make sure the RAM is the issue, then you can test them individually. Another thing you can do is return all 4 sticks if you find any errors and that way you get a fresh set.
September 4, 2009 8:14:06 PM

Cant return them, system is over the return limit and I don't think I can just RMA 4 modules since only one is bad... Also, I am 98% sure its the ram... I think I will skip step one and do each stick, that way IF it was the ram, I already know which stick.

Mainly I think its the ram because the OS is new [so its not driver conflict] and upon crashing I am getting nothing. No BSD, no Error Events, nothing. Also, I ran checkdick on the HDD twice to be sure, nothing. Also, the cpu is running cool so its not a heat issue. All that leaves is the PSU, GPU and the RAM and there is no way in hell I can afford another GPU so it BETTER not be that.... Not that any of the other hardware is truly excluded, but initial testing can only do so much when one does not have tons of money to throw at it.

At least in the meantime I still have this laptop... I guess here goes 8 hours... Movie time. :p 

Edit: One more question, how much is the recommended time for running the memtest per stick?
September 4, 2009 8:58:52 PM

You don't have to do it all in one sitting if you don't want to. Also in my experiences freezing has always been the CPU or Motherboard, usually involving the CPU socket. So be prepared.

Couple hours per stick would probably be sufficient per stick. More is always better though, just to be sure.

I wish you luck.
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 4, 2009 10:01:22 PM

Why can't you RMA all 4 sticks? Of course I am just saying IF the RAM is at fault here.... As far as I know you have a lifetime warranty and they HAVE to give you new sets regardless....
September 5, 2009 5:06:11 AM

Well, took out all but one stick. Did a ram test for an hour then needed to use the PC lol. PC locked up, so I assumed, aha! bad stick, so I put in another one. Froze again, so I was like oh ****. Lucis may be right. Well on my 3rd stick, its been like 8 hours and no lock up. I am NOT going to say its working will I have gone like 2 days, but its looking good. I am dying on 1gb of ram though XD
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 5, 2009 5:48:21 AM

Well there you go.... [:jaydeejohn:5] ........ let me know if you need anything else... Yo can also PM me... Cheers!! ;) 
September 6, 2009 12:08:47 PM

Ok, now I am SURE its not ram. Put one stick in, ran a test for ALL of saturdat, it went like to 2,500% and I was sure it was done with, and I get home, open up firefox, check the weather and the system locks up... Now what? Its not the GPU, only thing I can think of is faulty PSU.. Or CPU..

Well, something odd. Just did its freeze again, but only the mouse and kbd froze. I watched the clock on the system change so I moved the mouse and kbd up a USB slot and they worked. What do you think? Failing PSU?
September 6, 2009 8:37:27 PM

While fluctuating voltage might cause freezes, it's more likely for a failing PSU to cause random restarts or shutdowns. Trust me i've dealt with 2 faulty PSUs, the symptoms are quite distinct.

A friend of mine was getting freezes, we ended up replacing everything in his machine troubleshooting it. He was upgrading along the way too :)  But it turned out it was the CPU. I still got my money on the CPU or Mobo.
September 7, 2009 3:56:28 AM

lol, well it JUST now froze again, and this time again, it was just the USB... Oddest thing I ever dealt with, just switched slots and its working. I think its a faulty PSU that is not just killing the USB and not the whole system because I took all but 1 stick of ram out... I have like 40 PSU's sitting around, but none of the dam things have PCIE power, so i'm SOL. Need pcie for the vid card... But I will see about ordering a nuther one to test with. *fingers crossed*
September 15, 2009 12:40:48 PM

Ok, well i'm dying here. My system is about as reliable as a blind dog, and I cant stand it. From what I have wrote and from what others are saying. What do I need to buy? Can we take a vote on it or something, because this is just NOT acceptable the way it is and I am about to go out and buy some $300 pos just so I don't have it melting down every 5-20 min...

I know I have gotten some suggestions, but this time I am planning on putting money on it, so gimme your best answer for going out and buying... What do you thing I should replace?
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 15, 2009 2:39:46 PM

PSU first, a high quality one; doesn't have to be expensive, just from a reputable maker (Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, OCZ, PC Power & Cooling, and others). I am not sure what else you are running in your computer, like videocards and harddrives, so I can't say what sort of wattage you need. A 500watt quality unit would probably be more than sufficient unless you have a big hungry videocard or two installed.

I only think PSU first, because I had a PSU fail me a few years back, and one of the first symptoms (that has never returned in any form since) was losing my USB slots while the rest of the system continued running. By the time I replaced it, I was getting random lock-ups and restarts, though mostly frozen screens.

And once this problem is resolved you can get back into the OCing, which will be nicely cushioned by a quality PSU.
September 15, 2009 4:58:38 PM

Well, I think your correct. I swapped out video cards, and all my problems were fixed. Which would normally look like a GPU failure, but earlier the system had all these beep codes saying no GPU found, which was resolved by changing the PCIE power slots on the PSU, which had me thinking PSU anyways,

I am atm watching 8 HD movies, opening up all my applications at once and randomly clicking on everything I can... System is kinda slowing down XD but its not locking up. Last test is to put in all 4gb of ram and not touch it and see if it locks up.

If not, then I will blame the PSU, buy a new one and cross my fingers. Any reasonably priced ones that you recommend?

It would be powering
3x SATA drives [160gb OS] [650gb Games+music] [1tb Movies]
1x Radeon HD4850 512mb
21" Gateway monitor
4gb 667 DDR2 [4x 1gb]
Wireless kbd and mouse.
2 medium fans [1 CPU, 1 CASE]

All kinda norm on today's standards. Cept the big ass CRT...
Working on the LCD =P
September 15, 2009 5:18:22 PM

Grrrr. Dam it... The system is the oddest thing I ever seen. I can stress it like nuts and it will keep working, but if I let it alone for 3 min it does it AGAIN... I am now swapping PSU's with by bro. Hopefully his will stop the freaking systems malfunctions, in which case I will probably buy another as I do not expect Antec to be cooperative with the RMA...

Here goes nothing...
a b K Overclocking
a b V Motherboard
September 15, 2009 5:57:45 PM

Mainly, its the GPU that will decide your power needs. ATI recommends a minimum 450w PSU for the 4850, so if you are not planning on going Xfire in the near future, either of these would be reliable and cheap (I am assuming US):

Daily Deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If not ordering today:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A bit more expensive, but free shipping will help offset that:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Just a few options, but if you stick with a good brand name (antec, Seasonic, OCZ, Silverstone, PC Power & Cooling, and others) within your recommended wattage, you should be fine. Stay away from $20 brown box specials at local stores
September 15, 2009 7:47:59 PM

All good choices, but i'd like to remove Silverstone from the list of recommended companies and replace it with Corsair. I've gotten 2 bad PSUs from them, and their customer service is dookie.

I did a review on it here. http://ncix.com/products/?sku=22898&vpn=DA750&manufactu... Mine is the customer review by Lucuis <-- go figure :) 

I'll wait to see what happens after you've swapped in your Bro's PSU before adding anymore suggestions.
September 15, 2009 9:02:31 PM

Swapped it in. Heaven XD minus the 640x480 res because of the POS vid card and my refusal to find drivers :p  Its been like 4 hours and nothing. I am gonna let it run all night, but if by morning its cool, ima buy a new PSU, have it shipped asap and get back to OC'ng baby!!! [Assuming the RMA either takes more then a month or happens at all]

As a note JofaMang, I have never heard of SeaSonic, so I am kinda wary of them. and @ both of you, whats your feeling on OCZ. Some new upstart company that seems to be completely saturating the market.. Leaving me wondering if they are all about quality or quantity. Tho the daily deal looks seksy! :D  BUT, I think I will give the Antec RMA a day or so as the PSU I got was not terribly cheap...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Which is what I think is odd, as I thought Antec was quality. Maybe I just got a Lemon.

Oh yeah, and U all rock! Sticking with me this long, I kinda expected to be forgotten ;)  Wish I could rep you guys or something.

Well, I am off to go do something else, been at the PC all day and need a break for some of that Real Life [google for definition :p ] interaction. I will reply in the morning if I remember about if its working or not and if so, I am going to call Antec about the RMA, and if its eta is more then I want, I will research your PSU suggestions with vigor. Probably resulting in a newegg purchase.

Good evening and have a good one!
September 15, 2009 9:09:07 PM

****! Disregard that last hopeful sounding email. Just checked the PC. Guess what! >:(  Locked up

So, Rules out is PSU, GPU and RAM...

So, now either my CPU is fried or my MOBO, and I doubt its my mobo.
Sucks to be me I guess. Now all I need is a spare C2D or CQD to experiment with....... !!!!!

Guess its back to the drawing board...
!