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August 18, 2008 7:30:01 PM

I'm planning on putting together a system in the next two months (Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 processor) and need to decide which Nvidia 8800 to go with. I've read tons of great reviews, checked out the VGA charts, and had a good friend that bought one a few months ago and is very happy with it. My budget is sub-$200, so I really can't afford the latest-and-greatest.

My confusion is on the various GT/GTS/GTX versions. Which is the best performer without having to overclock? I may look at overclocking and doing a dual SLI setup at some point in the future, but I want to hit the ground running and don't want to mess with it right now.

Any suggestions?

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August 18, 2008 7:45:41 PM

I would get the 9800 GTX + (around $200) or you can get the 8800 GTS 512 (I have one - it's great - it's basiclaly the same as the 9800 GTX - not the same as the 9800 GTX +).

The 8800 GTS is a good performer and can be had for around $150-170 (after rebate).

Hope that helps.
Anonymous
August 18, 2008 7:52:00 PM

try a 4850... is better than a 9800 gtx and is about 150 AR

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August 18, 2008 8:05:22 PM

i'd have to say, go for the 4850, it's right around $160-ish and performs better than either that you have listed.
August 18, 2008 8:10:57 PM

Where do you find benchmark tests for the 4850? I didn't see them listed under the Desktop VGA charts...
August 18, 2008 8:16:28 PM

The 8800 and 9800 series G92 chips are defective. Don't buy them. They have the same issue as with the Nvidia mobile GPU chips where as the soder material between the chip and the card becomes brittle from heating and cooling and can break. Read the article here:

Nvidia G92s and G94 reportedly failing
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/12/...

I would go with an ATI Radeon HD4850. It is a better manufactured chip, better performing chip and will beat out any 8800 / 9800 series card including the 8800GTX Ultra with all eye candy maxed.

See the benches here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4850,1957...
August 19, 2008 8:28:07 AM

I would take the inquirer with a grain of salt. I have never heard of the G92 chips having issues, but who knows.

I agree about the ATI option at this time. If I were to build today, I would got for X38/X48 mobo and get a 4850 or a 4870 and have room to crossfire in the future.
August 19, 2008 12:19:02 PM

If you're going for a GeForce 8800 card, go for the GT; for the money, it's the only one that doesn't have a Radeon alternative that nets you better performance for the price; the 8800GTS 512, GTX, ultra, 9800 cards, etc. are all close in price to the Radeon 4850, which outperforms all of them, for a price of around $180US, close to or even lower than all those other GeForce cards.

Meanwhile, the GeForce 8800GTS starts as low as $120US, for about two-thirds or so of the performance capability, making it roughly equal to the 4850 in terms of what power you get for your money. (and in turn, both cards provide you the best power for your money right now, out of all cards out there)

So, for your budget, I would recommend one of those two cards. Note that the presence of an nVidia or ATi/AMD chipset in your system doesn't even hinder the use of a card by the other company; after all, both cards run fine with Intel chipsets, no? It's just that you can't run nVidia CrossFire with an nVidia SLi chipet, but you need that SLi chipset to use SLi. CrossFire can be run with an AMD CrossFire chipset or any dual-PCIe x16 Intel chipset that I know of.

Now, as for your confusion regarding the different suffixes, note that nVidia did NOTHING right to dispel that. On problem is that between the 8800 and 9800 cards, they use two distinctly different chips: G80 and G92. The latter can run at a higher core and stream processor clock rates, (612 & 1500 MHz maximum for G80, compared to 738 & 1836 MHz maximum for G92, an over 20% increase) but downgrades from a 384-bit to a 256-bit memory interface, yielding weaker memory bandwidth. Depending on the game and settings, sometimes this results in the newer and "superior" core actually performing worse. But as a GENERAL rule, the cards go in this order from strongest to weakest:
  • GeForce 9800 GX2 (G92x2)
  • GeForce 8800 Ultra (G80)
  • GeForce 8800 GTX (G80)
  • GeForce 9800 GTX+ (G92)
  • GeForce 9800 GTX (G92)
  • GeForce 8800 GTS 512 (G92)
  • GeForce 8800 GT (G92)
  • GeForce 8800 GTS 640 (G80)
  • GeForce 8800 GTS 320 (G80)
  • GeForce 8800 GS (G96, later re-named GeForce 9600 GSO)
    rwayne said:
    The 8800 and 9800 series G92 chips are defective. Don't buy them. They have the same issue as with the Nvidia mobile GPU chips where as the soder material between the chip and the card becomes brittle from heating and cooling and can break. Read the article here:

    Nvidia G92s and G94 reportedly failing

    Last I heard from all the articles about defective nVidia chips, it was the G94 and G96, NOT the G92, that were problematic. So I'd remain skeptical there; I've not heard of any issues with the G92s, and people tend to be running those hotter, I believe, so the supposed defects should've shown themselves quicker on those.
    August 19, 2008 1:05:20 PM

    Mobile does run hotter than desktop, when pushed. But I agree, no one knows if the G92s are effected or not. I wouldnt reccomend anyone getting a G94 mobile, and Maziar is using the G92 sli setup, and both his cards are defective, sad news there
    August 19, 2008 1:22:53 PM

    brandonv said:
    I'm planning on putting together a system in the next two months (Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 processor) and need to decide which Nvidia 8800 to go with. I've read tons of great reviews, checked out the VGA charts, and had a good friend that bought one a few months ago and is very happy with it. My budget is sub-$200, so I really can't afford the latest-and-greatest.

    My confusion is on the various GT/GTS/GTX versions. Which is the best performer without having to overclock? I may look at overclocking and doing a dual SLI setup at some point in the future, but I want to hit the ground running and don't want to mess with it right now.

    Any suggestions?


    Heya,

    Check this out:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

    8800gt 512 at TigerDirect for $109. Get it while it's hot.

    Since your budget is $200, get two.

    That'll have you hitting the ground running like superman for the cost.

    Very best, :pt1cable: 
    August 20, 2008 2:58:28 AM

    Thanks for the responses. I checked out the 4850 and it looks like a great card, but everyone seems concerned with the heat that it outputs.

    Does it run significantly hotter than a comparable 8800? And what's with the manual fan control speeds (everyone is talking about specialized profiles for gaming, etc)? Is there not a program that will act like a thermostat and automatically bring up the fan speed as the GPU starts to get hotter?
    August 20, 2008 3:31:53 AM

    The 4850 does run hot compared to most cards but supposedly it was designed this way. The 4850 is made with AMD's new A12 silicone which has a much higher thermal tolerance than the A11 Silicone which was used on the 38XX series chips.

    One of ATI's goals was to make a high performance card that runs quiet. They succeeded at that but at the expense of heat. However the 4850s have been tested to run at this temp and should be fine.

    Personally I would never run a 4850 at the stock fan speeds. I want every component in my computer running cool as possible regardless of the manufacture's claims.

    The 4850 fan fix is an easy way to lower your temps or you can download ATI tray tools which is a great program.

    Or an even easier way is just to by a 4850 with an aftermarket cooler. Personally I am waiting for HIS Digital's IceQ4 4850 to come out (pictured below). Mainly because it exhausts heat outside of the case rather than in to it and it runs 20% cooler than 4850s with stock coolers.

    http://www.hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=395&vi...


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