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HIS HD4850 IceQ 4 or 9800GTX+ ?

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August 20, 2008 12:38:18 PM

i'm a newbie..so please help me decide...
i had $200 to spend on GPU, and $100 more on mobo. so, should i buy an HD 4850 from HIS that coming with iceQ 4 solution(much more better cooler than other 4850) or just pick 9800gtx+ that support physX?
i heard 4850 was faster than 9800+ except when playing game using unreal engine,support DX 10.1, and also better management on AA. but as we know radeons card couldn't use soft particle and shadow on several "nvidia"game.
9800gtx+ (interestingly) support the physX,beside better texturing power. but more power hungry and need extra power connector than 4850. :pt1cable:  :pt1cable: 

i'm playing at 22" display, and also plan to upgrade my mobo to amd 780g or nvidia 8200. So, which solution is better for me?
thanks..

My current spec :
os : vista ultimate
athlonX2 5200+
biostar nforce 550
2gig ddr2 667
HIS 1650XT turbo
enlight 420w

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August 20, 2008 1:12:05 PM

HIS sucks. I have a HIS card. I wish I would have gotten an Asus, because they come with a cool utility to control the fan speed.
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August 20, 2008 1:15:13 PM

Ive heard nothing but praise for their Ice Cube series. Is it one of those? And what other problems?
August 20, 2008 1:15:31 PM

Just get the 4850 it is faster than the 9800gtx+ across the board. If your going to be spending 200$ your going to want the most performance and future proofing you can get soo +1 for the 4850.
August 20, 2008 1:47:49 PM

The 4850, actually, trumps the 9800 GTX+ in the solid majority of tests. The lead it holds widens when you use AA, where it takes a ~40% framerate lead over the GeForce in Crysis; it actually seems to fall closer to the bottom range of the GTX 200 series than the top range of the GeForce 8 and 9 series. The PhysX thing is effectively irrelevant given how little use it has.

Also, from what I hear, that particular model of 4850 is a good one.
August 20, 2008 1:51:51 PM

That may be my next card. Just waiting for it, and a review or two. Hate single slot, wont use em. Also, I could be wrong here, but it should use either a different bios or some other type of fan control, being as the cooling system is completely different
August 20, 2008 2:03:35 PM

Buy Gainward HD 4850 GS with oc!!
August 20, 2008 2:04:14 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Ive heard nothing but praise for their Ice Cube series. Is it one of those? And what other problems?


3870 turbo... Ice Cube series. It is clocked at 850. It will over-heat beyond what the fan is cabable of cooling unless you use a 3rd party app to speed up the fan. If ATI would just put a fan controller in the driver suit, then this wouldn't be an issue. I don't like 3rd party apps like Riva. They are not the same level of quality and try to adjust more then the Asus utility would do.
August 20, 2008 2:14:57 PM

Go for the HIS 4850
August 20, 2008 2:19:29 PM

So the sensor for the fan isnt adjustable to heat? Thats weird. Ill check into that before I buy mine.
August 20, 2008 2:27:16 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
So the sensor for the fan isnt adjustable to heat? Thats weird. Ill check into that before I buy mine.


I didn't say that. It will adjust to heat... just not enough. It usually does fine games. But it will over heat sometimes and just die. I have good case air-flow. One thing I am always a stickler on. You definately can't enable the VPU recover on it. It kicks in way too often. I have had heat crash games before on it. Like I said, though, if ATI would put a customizable fan control in the driver suit, this wouldn't even be an issue and I would be very pleased with my card.
August 20, 2008 2:54:36 PM

get the 4850
August 20, 2008 3:03:29 PM

Email em. Let em know. If enough of us do it, itll happen. Im sure theyre strapped currently with all the new releases, but this is an issue, and 1 that seems to be more than just this gens problem. Easily solveable. I think theyre afrad to do it, maybe causing fan burn out, or ocing too much. Who knows? 3rd party is ok, as I use EVGAs precision for my current G80, nice and clean.
August 20, 2008 5:18:05 PM

I ordered the Visiontek 4850 from newegg due to lifetime warranty. But have read good reviews for the HIS model as well.

Everyone I've talked to recommended the 4850 to me as well, rather than the 9800gtx+. There is a 6.99 pci slot cooler you can get from newegg as well that is supposed to work wonders in lowering the temps coming from the 4850.

I think in this case it comes down to personal preference, although 4850 leaves the option to crossfire, which would be awesome.
August 20, 2008 8:08:57 PM

Hairy cat, haven't you seen the 1 million fan speed threads going around for ati.
August 20, 2008 8:22:50 PM

mrplow99 said:
Hairy cat, haven't you seen the 1 million fan speed threads going around for ati.

What's your point?
August 21, 2008 12:44:28 PM

hairycat101 said:
HIS sucks. I have a HIS card. I wish I would have gotten an Asus, because they come with a cool utility to control the fan speed.


Just use ATIs tool to do it.

That said, definitely go with the 4850.

I have a 9800gtx. They never fixed the fan speed. Auto runs between 4 and 39%, and I set it to run at 100% manual but in some cases it still reverts to auto and reaches 95+ degrees*

* I have the fan speed set to 100% on startup meaning after I login, meaning if I turn my computer on, go get a drink, hit the bathroom, etc. then go login to my computer, the card temps are in the 60s already and it's nearly impossible to get the fan speed working.

Some foreign website is listing all the Iceq models and if I remember right they listed 9/1 as a release date for the 4870 and 8/23 for the 4850, so it should be just a couple more days.

Plus all the drivers for it crash even when the fan is working right.
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