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July 30, 2008 12:21:43 AM

Okay. I've read all the posts here, and I've changed some things. $2500 price range, and I'm not using NewEgg because of tax. I'm trying to only use Amazon and ZipZoomFly.

Case: NZXT TEMPEST Enthusiast Steel ATX Midtower - $119.99

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX 750W Power Supply - $113.90

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Quad-Core Processor, 2.66 GHz, 12M L2 Cache - $$329.99

CPU Heatsink: ZALMAN CNPS 9700 NT 110mm 2 Ball Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler - $53.99

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3R Intel P45 Core 2 Quad Socket 775 1600 MHz PC2-9600 ATX Motherboard - $124.99

OS: Vista Ultimate Retail (still nervous about getting oem vista) - $264.99

Hard Drive: WESTERN DIGITAL Caviar SE16 SATA WD6400AAKS SATA 7200 RPM 16MB Buffer x2 - $178.00

RAM: CORSAIR XMS2 4GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 Memory Kit TWIN2X4096-6400C5 Memory x2 - $171.80

Video Card:

EVGA 01G-P3-N895-AR GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB 650MHz KO Edition GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 Video Card - $399.99

OR

EVGA 01G-P3-1282-AR Geforce GTX 280 1GB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 (2.0v) Video Card - $459.99

No, I am not getting crossfire. I don't want more than one video card, so I'm going to choose between these two. I don't want to wait for the 4870X2 and even if I did, it's not any better than these two cards. Better in some benchmarks, worse in others.

Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster SB0570 Audigy SE 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - $28.95

Monitor: SAMSUNG 2493HM Glossy Black 24" 5ms DVI HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor $429.99

DVD Drive: SAMSUNG SH-S223Q 22X SATA DVD Burner Black Drive - $28.99

Speakers: JBL DUETWHT 12 Watts 2.0 Speaker - $34.99

Keyboard: Logitech G11 Gaming Keyboard - $60.98

Flash Media Reader: i-rocks IR-8100-SL 12-in-1 USB 2.0 Card Reader with 3-Port USB2.0 Hub - $29.79

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July 30, 2008 12:35:30 AM

no you dont.

but a gx2 is basically an overkill in my opinion.

2 radeon 4850s would wipe the floor on a gx2 at basically the same price (each radeon is 200$)
but to use the radeons in crossfire to their full extent you need an x38/48 chipsets, otherwise its bottlenecked by bandwith limitations.

also your zalman cooler is almost as long as the tempest is wide. it barely leaves about half and inch. i would recommend instead the Xigamtek s1283 rifle since its better.

other then that, you're good to go.
July 30, 2008 12:48:40 AM

your parts suck for 2.5k rofl
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July 30, 2008 12:48:43 AM

Physicz said:
no you dont.

but a gx2 is basically an overkill in my opinion.

2 radeon 4850s would wipe the floor on a gx2 at basically the same price (each radeon is 200$)
but to use the radeons in crossfire to their full extent you need an x38/48 chipsets, otherwise its bottlenecked by bandwith limitations.

also your zalman cooler is almost as long as the tempest is wide. it barely leaves about half and inch. i would recommend instead the Xigamtek s1283 rifle since its better.

other then that, you're good to go.


+1 for what physicz recommended. the 9800gx2 is too expensive when compared to the newer tech right now. Plus, if you buy a crossfire motherboard, you're better off for overclocking since you won't have an nvidia chipset (they don't overclock well in comparison to the intel chipsets).

Also, I own the xigmatek s128 and I love it! I can overclock my e6400 from stock to over 3ghz while keeping under 60C at full load. Make sure you buy a retention bracket with it since some people don't like the push pins. I just have the pins and they worked fine for me, but it's up to you with the bracket. I woulda rather have bought the $5 part to make sure I had good contact, but oh well.
July 30, 2008 12:57:04 AM

No real reason to get a DDR2 / DDR3 motherboard. GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3R $135

OS: Vista Home Premium $110 OEM (you can re-install as many times as you need on your new PC) If you buy a new PC next year its still cheaper to install a 2nd copy of Vista Home Premium OEM. Vista versions compared In 2 years the next version of Windows will be out.

HDD: Buy two WD Caviar SE WD5000AAJS $75ea and get the same amount of storage and save $82
Or buy two WD Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB $90ea and have 1.2TB of storage and still save $52

9800GX2 vs 4850CF
July 30, 2008 12:57:39 AM
July 30, 2008 1:00:12 AM

Physicz said:
no you dont.

but a gx2 is basically an overkill in my opinion.

2 radeon 4850s would wipe the floor on a gx2 at basically the same price (each radeon is 200$)
but to use the radeons in crossfire to their full extent you need an x38/48 chipsets, otherwise its bottlenecked by bandwith limitations.

also your zalman cooler is almost as long as the tempest is wide. it barely leaves about half and inch. i would recommend instead the Xigamtek s1283 rifle since its better.

other then that, you're good to go.


y would u need a x38/48 chipset? bandwidth limitation? as long as both the slots run @ x16 u should be fine.
July 30, 2008 1:05:19 AM

I would the Q9450 instead of the the Q9300
Q9450 $279.99 at Micro Center
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

You can get a GA-EP45-DS3R for the same price, but it doesn't support DDR3.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Physicz said:


also your zalman cooler is almost as long as the tempest is wide. it barely leaves about half and inch. i would recommend instead the Xigamtek s1283 rifle since its better.


The XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 is over a half inch taller than the
ZALMAN CNPS 9700 NT. The XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 is the better cooler, either one would be fine.
July 30, 2008 1:05:39 AM

I'd rather have one video card over SLI and I don't want to look for a new motherboard. But.. maybe.

As for the heatsink, I'm trying to buy all my parts from only two websites for shipping costs (zipzoomfly and amazon) and neither of them have that part. I'm not buying from Newegg because, unfortunately, I live in NJ and tax is not something I want to pay.
July 30, 2008 1:11:13 AM

You don't need SLI capable to run any "dual-card" (9800GX2 or 4870x2).

Here are some suggestions:
  • Wait for the 4870x2 to come out, might interest you and/or might make the GX2 price drop;
  • Either get the EP35 (the EP35C only adds DDR3 support) or a P45 board (adds PCI-E 2.0, could be useful for dual-card, but not required) like Asus P5Q;
  • For your setup, a good 650W would be enough if it can make you save some $$$;
  • The Creative card could be useless, many people don't need more than on-board;
  • For the HD, do you really need 1TB on a single drive? Consider using 2 drives, might save you some $$$ and might increase performance as you could install OS and softwares ond different drives and they won't compete for I/O;
  • For the cooler, I would suggest a Xigmatek HDT-S1283 if the casing can house it, cools better for less noise.
    July 30, 2008 1:18:48 AM

    nate5709 said:
    I'd rather have one video card over SLI and I don't want to look for a new motherboard.

    9800GX2 is SLI video. It just two (underclocked) 9800GTX cards stuck together and sitting on a single PCI-E slot.
    July 30, 2008 1:31:44 AM

    You need a Mobo that has PCI Express 2.0 x16 for the EVGA 01G-P3-N895-AR GeForce 9800 GX2.
    July 30, 2008 1:42:17 AM

    For everyone that said I should buy two drives - I've considered that, but more drives usually mean a better chance of a drive failing. I don't want that.
    July 30, 2008 1:47:08 AM

    level101 said:
    You need a Mobo that has PCI Express 2.0 x16 for the EVGA 01G-P3-N895-AR GeForce 9800 GX2.


    no u dont all u need is a pcie 1.0 slot pcie 2.0 cards is backward compatible.
    July 30, 2008 1:51:58 AM

    I can easily tell the difference between even an old SB live card and modern integrated audio. Anyone who believes there is no difference needs to have their ears checked.

    I agree with tonyluu, OP's build list doesn't look too good for the cash he's going to spend on it. You guys have some good suggestions for OP though, if he actually listens to your advice his build should improve quite a bit.
    July 30, 2008 1:54:26 AM

    nate your logic on drive failure rate is completely stupid. Having all your data on one drive means that you will probably loose ALL OF IT if it fails. If you have 2 drives and one fails you only loose half. We're not talking about RAID 0 here, just 2 separate 500gig drives.
    July 30, 2008 1:57:20 AM

    nate5709 said:
    For everyone that said I should buy two drives - I've considered that, but more drives usually mean a better chance of a drive failing. I don't want that.

    If you were using RAID0, I would agree, but putting all data on 1 drive also mean that if a drive fail, you loose 100% of you data. I never had a drive fail on me in the past 8 years.
    July 30, 2008 2:01:34 AM

    nate5709 said:
    For everyone that said I should buy two drives - I've considered that, but more drives usually mean a better chance of a drive failing. I don't want that.
    The chances of your one drive failing and one of the two drives failing is exactly the same.
    In one case you've lost a $230 item - in the other case you've lost a $75 item.
    July 30, 2008 2:04:38 AM

    I'm glad we're all so passionate about educating OP on the myths of drive failure.
    July 30, 2008 2:15:10 AM

    I would choose the Asus.
    It's one of the best rated boards(on newegg) from them in a very long time, and it's specs do make it out to be very capable. If I where to build something right now I would go for that.

    **Edit I also like heatsinks on my voltage regulating circuitry. :) 
    July 30, 2008 2:19:22 AM

    Okay.

    I'm very interested in that monitor you posted tonyluu...
    ASUS MK241H
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

    It's a little more expensive, but it looks like it might be better. The only thing I don't like about it is the stand, but that's not terrible. I might get that instead.
    July 30, 2008 2:41:08 AM

    Dont know about $2500.00...But...here ya go for $466.00...

    New Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield @ 2.94Ghz (o.c. to 3.6 Ghz stable)
    New Ga-P35-DS3L/S3L ultra durable mobo
    New 2 gigs dual 1066 Mhz DDR2 SPD memory
    New cost: $466.00 incl. shipping
    pre-owned:
    atx case w/680 watt psu (blk & silver w/blu led lighting
    2- 250 gb HD Western Digital 3.0 Gb transfer rate sata drives
    2- 160 gb HD Western Digital 7200 rpm Ide hard drives
    1- dvd-r/rw -cd/cdrw sata drive
    1- cd-r/cdrw Ide drive
    1- legacy 1.44 Mb floppy drive
    Azalea Hi Def 7.1 audio output to RCA 1000 watt pro-logic surround amp
    using spdif line out connect
    4- 500 watt 12 in. tower speakers w/crossover and 1- 15 in. 500 watt
    center rear sub-woofer tower
    2- dual go-video dvd/vcr recorders(hooked to the rca amp) for a/b roll
    1- 22 in. acer monitor w/s 1900 x 1440 and 1- 19 in. NEC multisync crt
    Evga 8800 GTS 512 o/c @725 Mhz core using dual output
    Using Vista Ultimate 32 bit with Virtual PC 2007 with 7 different O.S. for max
    productivity and game compatability (runs quite good too)
    Logitech cordless keyboard and mouse combo
    Lan and Net is onboard using Gigabyte onboard 1 Ghz ethernet routed
    wirelessly to wireless router for 4-computer home lan system
    (other 3 comps are wifes and kids - my older systems- all P4-630 3 Ghz.)
    NEway...I always use what assets I have collecting dust when I do a
    new build or upgrade. I have been doing this (comp building) for the last
    36 or so years. ( can anyone say Kim-1 or Eniac...maybe binary switch
    input on power bench? to play snake on wired led's?)
    So I get a decent system for under $500 and do a lot of video and audio
    editing for a living AND get the benifit of being able to play most all the
    newest game titles at or about ~ the highest setiings give or take a
    click or two.
    Not saying that I wouldn't love sincerely (drools to think of it) to be able
    to invest a few thou into some real new equipment, but you know how
    a budget goes for a family of 4 with pets.

    Good luck with your project....
    July 30, 2008 3:00:00 AM

    evilshuriken, that monitor has no DVI port. It's a better TV than monitor...it has better color accuracy and and viewing angles, but it has a lower response time. And no DVI port. That is bad.
    July 30, 2008 3:16:38 AM

    All you need is a DVI to HDMI cable. The response time is good enough believe me, I've played all the latest games on my boy's PC.

    But you know what, get whatever you want. We try to show you the way, but ultimately it's up to you what you want to spend your money on. Good luck.

    Also, to clear up any misconception you might have about HDMI. When not using encryption it's virtually identical to DVI(same bandwidth), so if you're hear any silly myths about it being "inferior" or something to that effect, it's BS.
    July 30, 2008 3:35:05 AM

    evilshuriken said:
    All you need is a DVI to HDMI cable.

    With a 9800GX2 I think you need the DVI to HDMI adapter, internal SPDIF cable (included in most Nvidia video card accessory packs), external HDMI cable and an external SPDIF cable. (or maybe the internal SPDIF cable does away with the need for the external SPDIF cable?)

    With a HD 4870 you'd only need the DVI to HDMI adapter (included in most ATI video card accessory packs) and the HDMI external cable.
    July 30, 2008 3:49:47 AM

    Well he didn't mention anything about using digital sound output. And he listed a creative sound card and cheapo speakers, so I figured he would not care for that.
    July 30, 2008 4:50:47 AM

    wow your original build is not that great for 2500 tbh

    you can get an excellent gamer's platform for 2500 nowadays
    July 30, 2008 8:06:25 AM

    I don't say this much.. but.. that's a prettyyy bad build, for 2500$.

    My PC with a 4870X2 is a little over 2500 with a 500$ 24 inch monitor and stuff which I don't even NEED (mouse,keyboard, etc.), a PC that could SMOKE this PC.

    If you're not I'd recommend www.newegg.com because it looks like you're really spending more than you should be on some of those parts. Otherwise, you can save some money with the CPU, Q6600 and overclock. Ditch the GX2 and get a 4870 (or a 4870X2 when it comes out). What are you DOING with that sound card. I'm fairly certain you'd be better with ONBOARD AUDIO than that card. Get a titanium fatal1ty or something if you're going to get a sound card, otherwise just stick with what the board gives you.

    I'd really recommend looking your build over again. If you want to look at mine (without the GPU im afraid) you can see how I spent 2500 or so dollars.

    http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...
    July 30, 2008 5:03:09 PM

    Look at my original post; I changed some things.
    July 30, 2008 6:19:20 PM

    hey. it's not my PC. If you want to waste money on your graphics who am I to stop you? :/ 
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