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October 5, 2008 4:29:02 PM

ok going to build a new rig and i cant set my mind

pulled between AMD and INTEL i have both and the one I will be replacing is an AMD

current rig:

AMD Athlon 64 3200 + Arctic freezer pro
1GB ram cosair/ kingston @400mhz
320gb HDD
8800GTS 320

il be keeping the hd and grafix card

now iv seen intel pwn amd on bench mark tests and all but that is not the same as day to day usage.
the PC will just run windows vista, MS Office, Adobe reader, IE, VLC, HD movies @ 720P and some baby games like WOW, Narnia and harry potter. (NOT FOR INTENSE GAMING)!!!
although i think it would be good to keep crossfire in mind as the screen is 20"/32"

some of you have got AMD X2 and may have hands on exp with it so i was hoping you can share some light on how it runs
iv already seen how cool the X2 runs it sits at 30°C

il be buying this rig in like a week. so any advice welcome

Please take the Price diference in to huge consideration

Rig 1
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Socket 775 (3.0GHz) 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3 P43 Socket 775 audio ATX Motherboard
-FSB 1600 (O.C) MHz
-PCI-E 2.0 Graphics Interface
-DDR2 1200+ memory
-2x PCI-E ( I DONT KNOW IF ITS CROSSFIRE OR SLI )
OCZ 2GB KIt (2x1GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Reaper Memory HPC Edition Dual Channel Kit CL5

Total: £271.84


Rig 2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000 3.1GHz Socket AM2 1MB L2 (2x512KB) Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3 AMD 770 Socket AM2+ 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
- DDR2 1066 memory
- PCI-E 2.0 Graphics Interface
OCZ 2GB KIt (2x1GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Reaper Memory HPC Edition Dual Channel Kit CL5

Total: £191.16


Rig 3
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000 3.1GHz Socket AM2 1MB L2 (2x512KB) Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Gigabyte GA-MA790X-DS4 790X Socket AM2+ 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
- DDR2 1066 memory
- 2 x PCI-E 2.0 Graphics Interface
- CrossFire Support
OCZ 2GB KIt (2x1GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Reaper Memory HPC Edition Dual Channel Kit CL5

Total: £212.58

obtw i wont be overclocking this

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October 5, 2008 4:31:57 PM

E8400 is significantly faster than x2 6000 at stock.
October 5, 2008 4:39:59 PM

I would go the intel route, although it will be more $$

If I did go the Intel route I wouold also Overclock it atleast to 3.6, all you got to do is change the FSB from 333 to 400 and maybe give the vcore.1v more if any.
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October 5, 2008 5:21:12 PM


When you say, the screen is 20"/32"

are you referring to your computer monitor and your LCD TV?

if so, is yer LCD TV full 1080p? ie can it do a res of 1920x1080?

if it can then yes xfire might be beneficial to you, but if the LCD TV is only 720p (720p lcd tvs usually have a res of 1366x768) then xfire would be mostly a waste of money at that res

as for the rigs, i have both an X2 system and an intel system and the intel e8400 is a much better CPU and as others have said, significantly faster than an X2 6000+

the only mobos that can do SLI are nvidia based boards, SLI doesnt work on intel chipset boards such as the one you have selected for the intel system

Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3 P43, this mobo looks like it only has one x16 slot for PCIE
if you are looking at xfire in teh future, might want to get this instead
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
thats for canada but you should be able to find a similar mobo, get something with a P45 chipset instead of P43, so an ASUS P5Q based board would also work since it has P45

for the intel rig, ddr2 1200 mem is not required
you can get something like this
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
any regular ddr800 memory will work even if you are going to OC a bit

the e8400's FSB is actually 333 (intel quad pumps the fsb to make it 1333)
and the memory will run in sync with the actual fsb of 333
which will give you an effective ddr2 mem rate of 667 which is well under the 800mhz advertised speed of the mem i pointed out

if you OC your e8400 to 3.6ghz, this requires you to raise the FSB to 400, which means the mem is still in spec to operate properly at this speed

no need to spend extra dough on "performance" memory when not required, since i see you've also got listed OCZ reaper mem for the intel rig, not required at all
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October 5, 2008 5:39:37 PM

There is no point in getting the GA-MA790X-DS4 over the Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3 if you're going to use an nVidia card, unless you plan to switch to ATI latter. After all you can't crossfire an nVidia card. As for the AMD rigs you should keep in mind that the CPU only supports DDR2 800. You can only get the full speed out of your RAM modules by using a Phenom, or by overclocking your CPU. You should save a couple of bucks and go with some good DDR2 800 RAM from Mushkin. Even on the Intel Rig the performance difference between DDR2 800 and DDR2 1066 probably won't be worth the cost considering what you're going to use that system for.
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October 5, 2008 5:42:56 PM

The e8400 is the better cpu but if you got a Gigabyte AMD 790GX chipset I think it would be a better overall rig.

And I think you would be better off with a lower watt X2 if that 6000+ is the 125w model.
October 5, 2008 5:57:17 PM

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Product...

Seen this board? Like features galore?

With a triple core 8750 BLACK EDITION (or any AMD cpu) will leave your options open and offer even more options - like automatic oclox for people who "don't want to oclok". e.g. 8750 (2.4) will oclok to 3.2ish) http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/CPU/AMD-Phenom-8750-Bla...

If you do choose AMD board, you do want SB750 chipset features! With north bridge 790GX/SB750 you also have useable onboard ATI3300 video; this will disable with your Nvidia discrete 8800 card. Board shown, has dual PCIe2 x16 slots. (future 2x4850's)

Peace.
October 5, 2008 6:45:35 PM

i forgot to type 2x infront of the memory, all the rigs have 4 gb of ram

i see that most of the people are saying to get intel I am running intels E6400 (i got it when it hit the shelves)
and have been running AMD before then, just wanted to know if AMD are any good.

and about the ram its true the only use of the machine will be office and HD movies, so if I put 1066mhz memory im getting the impresion from you guys that it will be a waste.

getting 800mhz ram is £20 cheaper, but im willing to put that much in if i will get the diference, i mean the board supports it.

and the screen is 720P so i take your point that crossfire wont be necesary.

so dropping the AMD
will this rig be ok or the latter give me an advantage?

Rig 1
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Socket 775 (3.0GHz) 1333FSB 6MB L2C
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3 P43 Socket 775 audio ATX Motherboard
OCZ 4GB Kit (2x2GB) 800MHz/PC2-6400 Memory Platinum Performance CL5 (5-4-4-18)

Rig2
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Socket 775 (3.0GHz) 1333FSB 6MB L2C
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3 P43 Socket 775 audio ATX Motherboard
2X OCZ 2GB KIt (2x1GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Reaper Memory HPC Edition Dual Channel Kit CL5
October 5, 2008 7:03:20 PM

I'd have a look at the P45 mobos instead if you intend to CF.

Oh, also have a look at the E5200 or E7200 if you want to save some money on the processor. Both are still faster than the X2 6000+.
October 5, 2008 8:00:41 PM

epsilon84 said:
I'd have a look at the P45 mobos instead if you intend to CF.

Oh, also have a look at the E5200 or E7200 if you want to save some money on the processor. Both are still faster than the X2 6000+.



+1 in looking at an e7200 to save money

id go with rig1 from your revised list

getting faster mem wont do much since mem usually performs best when linked 1:1 to the FSB anyways

the e7200 is a good choice as well, the biggest disadvantage to it is that it has half the cache (3mb vs 6mb) of the e8400 and the fsb is lower (1066vs1333), but the good thing is, with the lower FSB, you can push the FSB higher to OC easily and the rig1 mem wont have any trouble keeping up

i personally have the e8400 on my main rig and it runs great but either cpu choices should be fine for what you are going to be using the comp for

im also using "normal" ddr2-800 mem on my machine, its OCd to 850 (425x2) and is working fine



October 5, 2008 8:46:29 PM

kamkal said:

getting faster mem wont do much since mem usually performs best when linked 1:1 to the FSB anyways



please explain, i didnt quite understand that, or some link explaing will do

ty

PS il post the one il be purchasing before i do/ after i do
October 5, 2008 9:10:52 PM

sarahjones said:
please explain, i didnt quite understand that, or some link explaing will do

ty

PS il post the one il be purchasing before i do/ after i do



best explanation i have found (the debate rages on) is that you are limited by the speed of the slowest component, so in this case, the FSB, if you set the mem higher then sure u might get a bit of an increase but not much (not enough to justify the extra cost of performance mem)

now there are other ways to increase the performance of the mem without changing its speed, aka the timing

tightening the timings at the given speed will boost performance for the most part, the mem i showed u can do 4-4-4-12 at 800mhz which isnt the best but is def above average for the price

here's an excerpt from an article at anandtech comparing mem performance and timings and speed
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989&p=5

usually, the slower you run the mem, the tighter you can make the timings and get similar results to getting faster clocked mem

basically for your system, you can get by with the regular mem and everythign will still be smooth :) 
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