Another thread edited and locked due to the fanboy voting game.

I find it extremely difficult to believe. Given the process technology AMD uses, its simply no match to Intel's more advanced HK/MG process.

But of course, if there's actually proof for it (CPU-Z shot, machine shot), then it should be believed.

Lol, same here. Without high k material, AMD chips face a serious physical wall on oc that high. It's not just "computer stuff," there are laws of physics that need to be followed.

AMD's Deneb's do use HK/MG. Time for someone to do their homework. THat's why AMD's Denebs are doing well.

yep AMD and IBM have been using it for some time. IBM i guess developed their own version of high k and gave it to AMD.

i'll try to dig up the article i found it at.

edit: here the link http://blogs.computerworld.com/node/4462

someone teach me how to link?

Actually no. Deneb is still built on 45nm SOI technology from IBM. They will make the migrate probably next year.

Right back at ya

Sounds dubious, but good news for everyone other than Intel if it does turn out to be true...

if it is true, great. i couldn't help notice that site pretty much circles the wagons around AMD products so i would take that article with a grain of salt.

I'm sorry, but your article mentions nothing about AMD moving to HKMG with Deneb.

Here is a report this year:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/d [...] ssors.html

Well, they're not doing AMD any favors by trying to build up hype to an untenable level. It'll be the same thing that happened to Phenom. Overinflated expectations leads to crushing disappointment. ATI's 4000s graphics card is the opposite. No one expected much, but received high performers.

i 200% agree dagger. that's pretty much my point. dropping links and posting from obscure, subjective sites could lead to a major let down. AMD kept it pretty quiet on their 4000 series cards and had pure gold. the "leaks" and hype for the Deneb are reminiscent of the Phenom.

Go here to find out.High-K is later on.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_1 [...] dir=45nm01
See the Press Presentation .pdf and the Q&A on 45nm.

When did clock speeds matter in comparision to other very different chips?

The same could be said of the sites reporting that Nehalem will OC over 4 Ghz on air. I'm skeptical that this article is true just as I am skeptical of the articles about Nehalem. Until the production processors are released and we see test results from non-ES chips it's all just conjecture.

Regarding AMD's use of the HK/MG process, I suspect that this will be implemented with the AM3 Denebs slotted to come out in Q1-09 and the AM2+ Denebs that will be released this year will be the last SOI parts.