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Very unhappy with the 4850

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August 22, 2008 3:58:10 AM

My 4850 card plays at the same frame rate when playing crysis at 1024x768 and 1680x1050, freezes after 3 minutes of HL2, and plays WoW at 30-50 FPS. I'm very unhappy with this product.

I am going to return this card and wait a little while for prices to drop. What is a more stable card that could soon be in the $200-$250 range?

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August 22, 2008 4:17:44 AM

make sure you disable vsync
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August 22, 2008 4:30:30 AM

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+
2.50 GB RAM
ASUS HD 4850
Antec 650Watt
Windows XP 32-bit
August 22, 2008 4:41:41 AM

Of course I disabled v-sync. Why would ATI release a card that overheats and freezes at stock settings? I also tried the fan tweak but the CCC doesnt make an .xml file for the profile I create and therefor i am unable to change the fan speed.
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 4:47:43 AM

ati tool. What temps? And it could be alot of things
August 22, 2008 4:50:02 AM

Quitoman said:
Of course I disabled v-sync. Why would ATI release a card that overheats and freezes at stock settings? I also tried the fan tweak but the CCC doesnt make an .xml file for the profile I create and therefor i am unable to change the fan speed.


Sure it does, the profile is in /Documents and settings\[Yourname]\Local settings\Application Data\ATI\ACE\Profiles.

The 4850 is a fine card, how's airflow? Also the 4200 does bottleneck the card somewhat.
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 4:50:39 AM

Quitoman said:
Why would ATI release a card that overheats and freezes at stock settings?


Wow, you were able to troubleshoot the entire line from your one PC, impressive. [:thegreatgrapeape:2]

Just like nVidia, and S3, not everything work for everybody. Obviously you got one of the ones that didn't work for you, now whether that's your fault or the card's has yet to be determined.

The first part of your original gripe shoudl give you an idea that the bottleneck is not in the GPU if turn up / down the resolution has no impact on the framerate. That would not be fixed by changing to any other card, since obviously the bottleneck lies elsewhere. It's also likely the one that's keeping your WOW fps capped too (not that WOW was much of a GPU-oriented game even at the best of times).

The stability issue for HL2 could be a bunch of things, however, first thing first, what did you do to prepare for this card and what did you have before it?

Right now I'm guessing it's a CTKI issue, probably some critical thinking will help you resolve the issue, but we'll see. :whistle: 
August 22, 2008 4:57:52 AM

well I got a lot more FPS in WoW with my 8800gts 320 which is why I am angry that this card (or at least the drivers) don't perform well or are so incredibly pre-mature. Also the fact that this card (not only for me but for MANY other people) runs ridiculously hot without an after market cooler.

I would just like a recommendation for a more stable card in this price range.
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 5:10:42 AM

The 4850 is a stable card.
August 22, 2008 5:19:49 AM

cjl said:
The 4850 is a stable card.


Lol I just ran Trackmania on Steam with this card and it froze in under 3 seconds. Not a stable card.
August 22, 2008 5:21:24 AM

I'm switching back to my Geforce 8800gts and getting an Intel processor so my computer doesn't suck anymore.
August 22, 2008 5:48:23 AM

Quitoman said:
I'm switching back to my Geforce 8800gts and getting an Intel processor so my computer doesn't suck anymore.


Having both cards myself I can tell you the 4850 absolutely demolishes the 8800 GTS 320. There's no comparison.

Don't make assumptions, the new 4850 may be a red herring. Check the memory with boottime memtest, and run Prime95 to see if the system is stable. The greater capabilities of the 4850 can easily highlight OTHER problems with the system. 2.5 Gigs is barely adequate if there other processes running. That may be bottlenecking the greater fill rate and texture memory of the 4850 over the 8800gts.

And did you completely remove the Nvidia drivers before installing the ATI? Thats important.
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 7:56:12 AM

BustedSony said:

And did you completely remove the Nvidia drivers before installing the ATI? Thats important.


Yeah that's what I'm thinking too, hence my mention of the preparation before install, and the crucial CTKI defect, I think it's the primary problem here. [:datmanii:4]

Funny he moans about the drivers for this card as if the GF8800 had no problems. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]

As for the temps, there's alot of people moaning about the numbers out there but they seem to have a short memory of the temps of the other powerful single slot card, the GF8800GT which also had very high temps.

Interesting it's both the drivers and the temps, but with no supporting information. And then he's determined the rest of his system is stable but replacing his CPU once the GTS is in will make it stop sucking but not now with a more powerful GPU in it. It's like watching someone troubleshoot using google instead of their own diagnostic info. :heink: 
August 22, 2008 8:12:17 AM

lol TGGA's smiley/emoticons own :p 
August 22, 2008 8:27:58 AM

Hello

There could be a number of problems with your computer configuration. Your motherboard might not work properly with the 4850 with your current bios. Your CPU could bottleneck your 4850 it might even bottleneck the geforce 8800...

You could have a defective card. I have had issues with 2 out of the 5 NVIDIA cards that I have bought in my lifetime and never a issue with any of the 7 RADEON cards I have bought. So it is just one of those things. And why upgrade from a geforce 8800 anyway at this stage????
The card is more that capable of running any new game on the market. If you want higher quality in graphics then a complete system upgrade is a better choice rather than just a graphics card...

My PENTIUM 4 3.0 with a RADEON 1950pro could not run crysis on LOWEST setting above 18fps but when I swapped the CPU to a CORE 2 6400 it ran at 24fps on HIGH setting 78fps on LOWEST...
RETURN the RADEON and save some money wait until you can afford a better system.
August 22, 2008 8:48:44 AM

thanks slush thats what I intend to do. I'm going to get a new set-up for my birthday in two months, and maybe i'll also look around for a g-card around then just to see if theres been any significant drops in prices. by november there will be a lot of new PC games that will need more than my 8800gts 320 lol.
August 22, 2008 10:08:14 AM

Very presumptive to say that the 4850 is not a stable card. You do realize that there's probably tens of thousands of 4850 owners who would disagree with you. The 4850 is over 9000.
August 22, 2008 10:23:08 AM

Do not return your card.

Follow the simple steps to mod the xml file.

I promise you it's there, I was disagreeing at first to, but if you keep looking, you'll find it.

I upgraded from 8800gts 640mb and will not go back under any circumstance, the 4850 is leaps and bounds better.
August 22, 2008 10:37:54 AM

Yes the RADEON 4850 is much better but is it better under his system...If he had a faster CPU then it would have worked better but he doesn't so why waste the DOLLARS for something that wont give him a significant performance increase???
If he were to upgrade to a faster CPU then GO and get the RADEON 4850 but he is not...Like I said my RADEON 1950 had a huge increase in performance when I got a new CPU...

You have to keep your upgrade relevant to what your current system can support. What if I put the 4850 in a 5year old Pentium 4???I would get crap performance. But if I had a Q6600 then my performance leap would be amazing...

a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 2:41:19 PM

Its like saying, I got a flat tire on a Corvette, thus, all corvettes arent any good. I call PEBKAC
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
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August 22, 2008 3:26:12 PM

Hi Guys,

I want to upgrde my system. Presently, I am running an intel core 2 duo 6400 cpu, with a 7950GT 512 mb video card and 2 gigs of ram. I would like to update my video card. I think I have enough cpu power to run most games. I can buy a Radeon 4850 for $199 or get a 9800GTX for 179. My monitor runs at a max resolution of1280x1024.

I need advice so I am asking some questions.

1) Should i stick with my current system and just update the video card?
2) Do i need to update my monitor, since max resolution is only 1280x1024?
3) Do i need a cpu upgrade?

My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 ATX LGA775 Conroe P965 DDR2 PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 3PCI SATA2 GBLAN

Any advice would be most appreciated!

Oh, I should mention that teh games I play are team fortress2, World in Conflict adn Assasin's Creed
August 22, 2008 3:29:43 PM

kitsilencer said:
Very presumptive to say that the 4850 is not a stable card. You do realize that there's probably tens of thousands of 4850 owners who would disagree with you. The 4850 is over 9000.


OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!
I definitely agree^ [:mousemonkey:5]

Well I have no idea why someone would think the 4850 sucks...its the best thing thats ever happened to me...I slapped that baby in my rig, along with my X2 6000+ and baby that thing flies (using it on my 24" lcd monitor)...even before I applied the fan fix for the card, I never had any troubles with it...at this point, I don't see any justification getting an nvidia card (not saying that they are crap or anything)...the ati cards are extremely competitively priced (which forced nvidia to drastically drop their pricetags), they usually perform better in crossfire compared to sli, and I believe they tend to use less power than the nvidia cards...
August 22, 2008 3:33:38 PM

1) Make a new thread.

2) What's your budget?

EDIT: This is replying to the guy 2 posts up.
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 3:35:13 PM

Some will say monitor, some whole system. Your cpu is fine. If you upgrade your monitor, itll stress your current gpu beyond its abilities, and youll have to sacrifice eye candy, so whats the point? Get the 4850, then later go to a larger screen
August 22, 2008 3:36:23 PM

I still don't understand why people are complaining about the temps when AmD themselves said it was designed to run at those temps..
August 22, 2008 3:38:15 PM

Hello 2di4u

I had the same CPU...E6400 and a Radeon 1950pro with 2 gigs of ram...I upgraded the graphics card to a Geforce 8800GT and performance doubled(Well almost). So it all depends on certain things. Do you overclock you CPU? I didnt and performance was good. So if you do then your CPU is more than capable of running either card. If you don't then you'll still get a huge performance increase...

The CPU is still good as far as I can see so would not really recommend upgrading that.
Need anymore info?
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 3:42:43 PM

Your card's cooling solution might be defective also... From time to time, some cards get defective gpu/ram paste or get so little it doesn't work. Or maybe, the paste is also defective (very, very rare though). One or the other, u should RMA it and check with another one. Also do the above listed by the other users, it could be a lot of problems or a little detail with some config somewhere. Don't give up on that card, or you might regret it sooner than later.

My 2 cents (or 2 pesos, since i live in Chile, lol)

Esop!
August 22, 2008 4:33:50 PM

Did you uninstall the drivers for the 8800gts? If so, what way did you go about uninstalling the drivers? My 4850 works great. This sounds more like user's error.
August 22, 2008 4:36:54 PM

Quitoman said:
I'm switching back to my Geforce 8800gts and getting an Intel processor so my computer doesn't suck anymore.


I am guessing this is just a jab against AMD/ATI and not a genuine query.

Anyone with any shred of common sense would know that even if it is the card, one faulty card does not mean the entire line of cards has the same issues, if that was the case, there would be plenty of articles and reports about production wide problems with the product line. If I got an 8800gts and experienced the same problems would it be fair to say every 8800gts is unstable and sucks? no! I only tried an ATI card once on an older system, and I had problems with it, I didnt assume all ati cards are crap because of it.
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 4:58:50 PM

My friend had an nVidia card, a G80. He also got Vista when it first came out. It didnt work at all in DX10 with Vista, so, all nVidia cards are bad. Id Id believed that, then I wouldnt own the same card he has, a 320G80. Its PEBKAC or he hates ATI, one or the other
August 22, 2008 5:13:05 PM

I think you are right. The 4850 totally sucks and isn't worth your time. I will buy that junk card off you for $50
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 5:33:01 PM

Hell, I feel sorry for him, Ill give em 55
August 22, 2008 5:44:53 PM

I dunno...that is a lot for a crappy ATI card...
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 5:47:06 PM

Yeah , but look at all the troubles hes seen (or hasnt) heheh
August 22, 2008 5:52:25 PM

Yeah my guilty conscience is yelling at me. I feel sorry for him that he got suckered into buying one of those 4850 paperweights. Someone should have been there to warn him. This is our fault Jay.
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 6:01:32 PM

The OP acts like they dont really want help here. Is sooo convinced its his/her card, and has only paid lil attention to what he believes and hasnt tried anything else has given as good advice. If the card is beyond your ability to run it, sell it
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 6:06:46 PM

I will do him the honors and offer him $55.01.... I win. So hand over that crappy card with bad performance on a system that had Nvidia drivers. Because there is no way that the card could be defective, or there are conflicting nvidia drivers, or your CPU is limiting the card's potential. Oh no, those things could never be the cause.
August 22, 2008 6:13:27 PM

im sry soundefx, but I snipped the auction with $55.02 :sol: 

I WIN! WOOT! Second 4850 here I come!
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 6:16:34 PM

I don't know guys, paying $55+ for something that likely doesn't exist sounds like alot. ;)  :lol: 

Anywhoo, I also agree a bit with slush, upgrading from a GTS might not offer much depending on the CPU-centric nature of the games played.
August 22, 2008 6:28:13 PM

ahslan said:
im sry soundefx, but I snipped the auction with $55.02 :sol: 

I WIN! WOOT! Second 4850 here I come!


Rats, beat out by the 2 cent trick. :fou: 

Quitoman, how could you!? I was the first bidder! You sold me out man. :cry: 
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 6:30:58 PM

Quitoman said:
well I got a lot more FPS in WoW with my 8800gts 320 which is why I am angry that this card (or at least the drivers) don't perform well or are so incredibly pre-mature. Also the fact that this card (not only for me but for MANY other people) runs ridiculously hot without an after market cooler.

I would just like a recommendation for a more stable card in this price range.

Yeah, we all know how demanding WoW is, especially with a nonexistant 4850
August 22, 2008 6:45:38 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
The OP acts like they dont really want help here. Is sooo convinced its his/her card, and has only paid lil attention to what he believes and hasnt tried anything else has given as good advice. If the card is beyond your ability to run it, sell it


^This....

And, PEBKAC

August 22, 2008 6:57:33 PM

^Agreed!
a b U Graphics card
August 22, 2008 10:04:14 PM

You kids and your PEBKAC, I still say it's the C2KI. ;) 
August 23, 2008 1:56:33 AM

okay the card must be faulty since it is crashing after a few minutes of gameplay, so don't don't yell at me for making assumptions that the 4850 is an unstable card. I'm sure if i had received a working one I wouldn't have made that assumption. btw I don't hate AMD I'm just saying i've had problems with their products.
August 23, 2008 2:15:43 AM

You gave practically no information regarding your situation other than the most basic system specs; you didn't state your methodology for installation of the new card; and you haven't submitted and screenshots of your system interior to confirm their isn't an airflow issue.

You've also refused to run any diagnostic programs or accept any advice to rectify your problem.




I suggest you never post again.
a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2008 3:12:17 AM

August 23, 2008 4:23:00 AM

ovaltineplease said:
You gave practically no information regarding your situation other than the most basic system specs; you didn't state your methodology for installation of the new card; and you haven't submitted and screenshots of your system interior to confirm their isn't an airflow issue.

You've also refused to run any diagnostic programs or accept any advice to rectify your problem.




I suggest you never post again.


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