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Does Push/Pull System in CPU heatsink work?

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Lots of people seem to think that push/pull system, meaning one fan sucking the air into the cooler's fins and the other fan sucking the air out of the cooler's fins, results in lower temperature than single fan system. Is this true and can it be proven? IMO if both fans spin at the same RPM there should be virtually no difference on the temperature of the heatsink. The only difference would be the strain on the fan itself. :o

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I believe the pressure of the two would make the temps better. It does help the temps because ive tested it, i just dont know why.

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Reply to overshocked

The second fan may help the first overcome resistance and turbulance in the radiator fins, or it may suck in additional air from the sides of the radiator. Depends on the design.

Reply to Twoboxer

air simply does not want to go through the fins so easily - the second fan pulls air from between the fins etc helping the fan push air into the fins etc and extracts the air flowing through the fins

simple test - blow air at your fingers while leaving small gaps in between - the air flow behind your fingers is perhaps 1/10th the original air speed etc

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Reply to apache_lives

When I checked fan rpm on my system the dual fan configuration operated at slightly higher rpm than a single fan.

Reply to JohnnyLucky

Using an axial flow fan it is optimal to use a fan with eight or more blades with bevelled edges and curved tips. This is the most efficient style PC cooling fan. It's a lower speed fan (1800 rpm or less) that produces less noise while moving the same volume of air compared to higher speed fan (2400rpm or higher).
As well a fan with a sleeve bearing is preferred because it accommodates the thrust effect when the fan is under load. (The fan is under load when it pulls air across the heat exchange surface.)
If this is for your cpu heatsink this style of fan is found on the more expensive ($50 or more) cpu coolers.

On a side note: Sleeve bearings have a lower MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) rate compared to roller/ball bearings. In other words, ball bearing have a longer working life compared to sleeve bearings. However there are hybrid sleeve bearings called fluid bearings or fluid magnetic bearings that have longer working life than roller/ball bearings. Fans with this style sleeve bearing are found on more expensive cpu coolers.

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Reply to zpyrd

With a single fan, wouldn't the air at some distance from the fan slow down or scatter? I think with a dual fan setup you get a sort of tunnel of wind, unlike a single fan wherein you get a sort of inverted funnel. At some point with a single fan, the air would slow down or scatter.

Though I don't have wind tunnel or CFD data to prove this.

Reply to amnotanoobie

I tried it once (Q9550, TRUE, two S-Flex SFF21F fans, Antec 900 case, HSF oriented vertically). No significant improvement in my case. May have been because the top fan was pretty close to the big case fan.

Of course, YMMV.

Reply to jsc

jsc - About 4 or 5 years ago there was an article about case fans done by aeronautical engineers who work with wind tunnels. The distance between the second cpu heatsink fan and an exhaust fan on a case panel needs to be at least 1 to 1.5 inches to be effective. It's darn near impossible to get the second cpu fan and the panel fan in synch. When they are too close to each other and are out of sync the extra turbulence is counter productive..

Wish I had bookmarked the article. I stumbled into it accidently and now I can't remember where it is located or how I found it.

Reply to JohnnyLucky

Makes sense. Rotating the heat sink 90 degrees in a normal case is not an answer either. So maybe its only effective with a weak fan on the exhaust fan side of the heat sink. Or with the cooler rotated 90 degrees in a case with a top exhaust and some headroom.

Reply to Twoboxer

Lets make it more specific, instead of thinking of the effect of other fans on the system, lets consider a radiator outside of the case with 2 fans pushing air through the fins or 4 fans in push pull configuration. Clearly in this case no external influences would apply (except ambient temps of course). I know from turbine design fans placed concurrently next to each other at specific degrees will yield greater air pressure, but since I have no control over the fans turbine-like set up is not achievable.
After running the push /pull set up I would say I've experienced maybe 2-3C (negligible) improvement over the single fan set up. If anyone has a push pull system running please submit your single and push pull temps.

Reply to megabuster

This review of one such multi-fan-capable cooler shows that the gain may depend on fan speed . . . and if one fan is fast enough, the second may not matter (ex/noise).

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1053/1/

I'm sure you can find other examples and comparisons by googling "Scythe Mugen 2 review", and any other cooler that's 2-fan capable.

Reply to Twoboxer

I tried it recently with my Core Contact 92, the most difference I got is 2C. The system seems to work, but it probably doesn't warrant the power consumption of a second fan.

Reply to amnotanoobie

Yes, the use of mutiple cpu heatsink fans will not produce spectacular results. A difference of about 2C or 3C is all that one should expect. For the typical user it probably won't make any difference. For a hardcore gamer it might.

Reply to JohnnyLucky
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