DX 10.1, should I care?

[CoolGamer48]

Hey,

I was originally planning to go with a GTX280 from NVIDIA, but then I found out it doesn't support DirectX 10.1 (and Pixel Shader 4.1). Should I be worried? Can something like this be updated with a driver, or is it fixed with the card you get? Either way, should I just stick with NVIDIA, or should I maybe consider getting a card that supports DX10.1?

 

[lcaley]

If you care, get a 4870x2. It's better anyways.

I don't think 10.1 will ever be popular since 11 is just around the corner.

 

[invisik]

(he asked a ? just answer it.)
anyway in my opinion dont worry about dx10.1 or shader 4.1 because games today wont support it. the next big thing is dx11. go for the gtx 280 its a great card but drivers wont make it support dx10.1. its a little on the expensive side when comparing to the 4870.
if u have the money get the gtx280 but if on a slightly tighter budget go for the 4870.

 

[invisik]

the guy just joined aug, 20 2008 cut the guy some slack. lol.
=]

 

[johoz]

DEFEDR OF TEH TOMSHARDWARRR FORUMZ!!11 ^^^

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

As long as nvidia refuses to support it game developers won't use it. The only case where it could matter is with dx11. I'm getting the impression that dx11 will be more compatible with dx10.1 hardware, might even be fully compatible, meaning you don't need new hardware at all.

 

[L1qu1d]

The 280 GTX ($400), is about 100-200$ cheaper than the 4870 X2, so for now I'd say the 280 GTX has a better price/performance ratio.

Unless you can find a 4870 X2 for 500$ I don't think it would be worth it over the 280 GTX

Games will be more into DX11, but doesn't mean that DX 10.1 won't benefit, since DX11 will be backwards compatible and still have all the goodies the DX10.1 cards have to offer

 

[ZOldDude]

DX10/10.1 why worry about them when so few programs support them in the first place?

 

[Greg86]

I thought that DX 10.1 cards are going to be fully compatible with DX 11 (unlike DX 10 cards). Therefore, if this is the case, then yes, you should care about DX 10.1

 

[invisik]

dx10.1 i believe will support some features in dx11.

 

[MrKbot]

I agree with Greg86. Everyone forgets that DX 11 will be fully backwards compatible, but only with hardware that supports both DX 10 and DX 10.1.
If the card only supports DX 10 like the GT 200 series, then its not going to work.

So the HD 4800 cards already support DX 11. Combine that with its current performance and you are looking at a card with serious longevity.

 

[invisik]

I agree with Greg86. Everyone forgets that DX 11 will be fully backwards compatible, but only with hardware that supports both DX 10 and DX 10.1.
If the card only supports DX 10 like the GT 200 series, then its not going to work.

So the HD 4800 cards already support DX 11. Combine that with its current performance and you are looking at a card with serious longevity.

if its a gtx 200 series it wont work?

 

[chunkymonster]

Just a head's up here, Direct X 11 isn't slated to be released until late 2009. That's well over a year away. So, telling the OP to wait until DX11 is really just like telling him to wait another year or so to buy another video card...not cool..

To the OP - should you are about DX10.1. Yes and No, for games that support it, you will get all the eye candy and visual glory that goes with the API; eye candy and visuals that you will not get with cards/games that do not support DX10.1. And, for games that don't support it, then it's a non issue.

Truly tho, whether or not you should care about DX10.1 is a lesser question to what card you should get. In my opinion, the 4870 is the sweet spot right now for video cards. ATI got it right with this round of gpu's with the GTX2xx series being over priced and over hyped.

So to add my $.02 to this mish-mash, get a 4870 to use for the next year or so and then plan on buying another video card early 2010 after DX11 is released and there are games and gpu's on the market that actually support and use it.

 

[CoolGamer48]

Sorry for not searching first...

If DX10.1 cards will work with DX11, but not DX10 cards, well then that makes me want to get a DX10.1 card. Is this certain?

I suppose it also may be worth mentioning that I'm a bit of a DirectX developer in training, if that changes anyone's opinions.

An ATI solution is seeming better and better to me. I'm getting an ASUS mobo with an Intel chipset, that doesn't support SLI (which doesn't really bother me since I wasn't planning on using it), but it did support Crossfire (which did bother me - logically if not having SLI didnt bother me than having Crossfire shouldn't either, but I still felt a bit weird).

Budget isn't too much of an issue with me, as long as I'm not wasting my money. If the benefit I'm getting is worth the price, I'll get it, and being future-proof for DX 11 is worth a fair amount to me.

 

[modtech]

It depends whether or not the hype about DX 10.1 being faster at antialiasing than DX10 and generally "Faster" actually hold out to be true. Don't mention assassin's creed. Yes I know about it and no that doesn't count. There needs to be solid proof on multiple titles and that hasn't happened yet.

 

[DXRick]

If you are a developer, why didn't you search MSDN?

Here is a techie link: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb694530(VS.85).aspx

With all of the DX 10.0 cards already sold, game developers will either target 10.0 only or write different routines for both. I would imagine that most will stick with 10.0.

And don't forget that they can still target 9.0L on Vista too. Given the failures of Vista, developers will want to target XP too (9.0c). Many will write to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Liderc]

Because soooo many games have supported directx 10, I'm sure soooo many will support 10.1 and 11 lol.

 

[invisik]

just stick with dx10. no need to future proof. in tech world there is no such term as future proof.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Features: DX10.1>DX10.0>DX9.0C
Performance: HD4870X2>GF9800GX2>GTX280>HD4870>GTX260>HD4850>GF9800GTX<HD3870

It depends which of those two lines matters most to you.

Unlike the DX10/DX9 break games coded for DX11 will enable DX10.1 features on DX10.1-only cards and DX10 features on DX10-only cards. There won't be the same division between generations.

So DX10.1 will definitely matter at some point, but it's the future not now, and whether or not that matter to you depends on you.

And a little search will show you enough to let you decide, if you care enough you should be able to educate yourself well enough to determine whether it matters or not to you.

 

[foxhound009]

@L1qu1d: I dunno how about USA but we Europeans got gtx280 for just 20 Euro cheaper than HD4870 X2...

As for the DX10.1 goes... you shoudn't care that much, when dx11 will come out you will want to change your VGA anyway since GPU requirements will grow over a year.

btw is pricing in USA is anything like EU go for HD4870 X2.


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[rfatcheric]

take a guess how many times this has been answered already.

You took the time to type out a response... Why not make it a meaningfull one?

Just answer the question or don't. No one benefits from this type of post at all.

 

[samuraiblade]

given the massive success of the ati cards , this might influence companys to now use DX10.1 , popularity on its own can bring a piece of software to the forefront , dont be suprised if we see more use of DX10.1 in the next few months.

 

[CoolGamer48]

the forums would benefit from people having a minimum level of intelligence.

I'm sorry, but that is unnecessary (if you're referring to my intelligence). Yes, I should have searched before I posted. From past experience (not necessarily on this forum), I've found that searching usually doesn't answer my question, though in this case it apparently would have. Personally, I don't mind too much when people ask questions that have been answered before. You care - fine, and I realize that your post wasn't directed towards me specifically. But that doesn't call for such a gross overstatement in saying I have less than minimum intelligence.

 

[CoolGamer48]

clearly your past experience has been on forums where everyone has had pretty much the same level of intelligence as yourself, which is why searching won't find you your answer.

I believe it has more to do with the fact that it's a C++ forum, and a good portion of my posts (or at least posts in topics I start) involve specific code samples.

 

[iluvgillgill]

no forget about DX10.1 is never going to get popular like Nvidia PhysX on GPU(well at least now anyway).