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October 12, 2008 7:19:33 PM

I have read the quad vs core 2 duo threads. I have read the buyers guide. I have a core 2 duo 6300 right now. I can't play Crysis. I have a quad capable mb. I want an 3.0 HZ quad. I can't afford it right now. Hopefully there will be one by mid-summer. What do you think?

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October 12, 2008 7:29:04 PM

^What he said. Sure by mid of next year the older quads such as the Q9650 will probably hit around $200 but you can get a Q6600 now and OC to 3GHz on the stock voltage easily. Trust me I know I have one and it runs great.
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October 12, 2008 7:39:11 PM

what motherboard do you have ? Can it be overclocked?
October 12, 2008 8:20:06 PM

LOL - that's exactly what I was thinking. Q6600 is only $180 or so. Apparently that's not good enough?
October 12, 2008 8:38:03 PM

If you cant play Crysis its because of your GPU and/ or not enough ram.
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October 12, 2008 8:43:15 PM

What do you mean you can't play Crysis? I can run it on medium high (even if I lowered it to just medium in a few places late in the game) at 1024x768 on my setup just fine. What kind of video card do you have? If you want a good quad for less than $200 then I suggest you go with the Q6600 and overclock it.
October 12, 2008 8:47:57 PM

Take your choice, a,b,c,d,e,f, or G all the above, you can't find a wrong answer.
October 12, 2008 9:03:21 PM

Crysis is NOT quad core optmized. A Faster Dual is better for Crysis.

#1 - Overclock your E6300 to about 3.2Ghz (Should not be too tough.)
#2 - What is your GPU?
#3 - How much RAM?
October 12, 2008 9:41:22 PM

Belarc Specs of my system.

Processor a Main Circuit Board b
1.95 gigahertz Intel Core 2 Duo
64 kilobyte primary memory cache
2048 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5N-E SLI 1.XX
Bus Clock: 279 megahertz
BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD ASUS P5N-E SLI ACPI BIOS Revision 0307 12/25/2006


ST332062 0AS SCSI Disk Device (320.07 GB) -- drive 0 2046 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM_A1' has 1024 MB
Slot 'DIMM_A2' has 1024 MB
Slot 'DIMM_B1' is Empty
Slot 'DIMM_B2' is Empty
October 12, 2008 9:43:15 PM

willmarth2 said:
I have read the quad vs core 2 duo threads. I have read the buyers guide. I have a core 2 duo 6300 right now. I can't play Crysis. I have a quad capable mb. I want an 3.0 HZ quad. I can't afford it right now. Hopefully there will be one by mid-summer. What do you think?




You'll be better off with a quad core processor rather than the Multi Chip Modules being recommended in this thread.

October 12, 2008 9:43:47 PM

I have one video card SLI capable.

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS [Display adapter]
DELL E228WFP [Monitor] (22.0"vis, s/n WT81481U1HRI, January 2008)
October 12, 2008 9:55:21 PM

I understand there are few applications and no games that use the capabilities of the quad now and a fast core 2 duo will give me the speed. The future is quad though. The real question is how fast of quad is the future. I thought the 6300 would be great for the long run but it isn't. The local shop who built the pc to my specs says overclocking ruins the warranty so he did something else.
The problem to all of us is two-fold. Core 2 duo will be outdated and a slow speed quad will be outdated. What to buy under $200?
October 12, 2008 10:17:46 PM

You're right Willmarth2, overclocking will void your warranty. However this is an enthusiast forums, and overclocking is what we do. We recommend it because it's a fairly easy(once you understand it) and often inexpensive way to get more performance out of your hardware.

Sorry, but I can't really think of any quad core processor under $200 that will give you the performance you want without overclocking. If you where to change your mind about overclocking things would be much easyer I think.
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October 12, 2008 10:19:30 PM

willmarth2 said:
I understand there are few applications and no games that use the capabilities of the quad now and a fast core 2 duo will give me the speed. The future is quad though. The real question is how fast of quad is the future. I thought the 6300 would be great for the long run but it isn't. The local shop who built the pc to my specs says overclocking ruins the warranty so he did something else.
The problem to all of us is two-fold. Core 2 duo will be outdated and a slow speed quad will be outdated. What to buy under $200?


You're wrong as to games so far Microsoft Flight Simulator X and Supreme Commander are optimized for quad core CPU's and I believe AVG 8(security software) is optimized for quad core CPU's.
October 12, 2008 10:43:30 PM

enigma067 said:
You'll be better off with a quad core processor rather than the Multi Chip Modules being recommended in this thread.
No brains no headaches.
October 13, 2008 1:38:19 AM

evilshuriken said:
You're right Willmarth2, overclocking will void your warranty. However this is an enthusiast forums, and overclocking is what we do. We recommend it because it's a fairly easy(once you understand it) and often inexpensive way to get more performance out of your hardware.

Sorry, but I can't really think of any quad core processor under $200 that will give you the performance you want without overclocking. If you where to change your mind about overclocking things would be much easyer I think.


And It's not dangerous and will not damage your system if done properly and withing reason.
Additionally, in these cases it does not void the warranty because nobody knows you did it, including the "local shop".

In many cases, it's possible to increase the Speed of your CPU by over 50% via Overclocking but still keep it within the design specifications of the Chip. I'm oversimplifying, but Intel produces 3 nearly identical chips. The only difference is that one is set to a default of Fast, one to medium, and one to Slow. You can use your computer Bios to simply change Medium or Slow to High.
Since its the same chip as the "Fast " chip other than the default speed, you are not really endangering your system.
October 13, 2008 1:43:36 AM

jj463rd said:
You're wrong as to games so far Microsoft Flight Simulator X and Supreme Commander are optimized for quad core CPU's and I believe AVG 8(security software) is optimized for quad core CPU's.


Actually he is correct.
He said "Few".
He did not say "none".

Few applications, especially games, are currently optimized for 4 cores.
Are ther some? Sure.

But neither all or even most.
And the game with which he specifically is concerned is not.

That is not to say that Quads are not for some (My last CPU purchase was a quad), but not for everyone in all cases.

For Crysis, the OPs current CPU and is running too slow and the GPU is a little weak.
Knowing the Exact Motherboard and Power Supply Unit may further help suggestions.
It will let us know what options are avaialbe to optimize his current processor as well what Graphic Units may help.
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October 13, 2008 1:44:03 AM

enigma067 said:
You'll be better off with a quad core processor rather than the Multi Chip Modules being recommended in this thread.


Forgive me but I always thought that having 4 cores in a single package qualified as a quad.

And since when does this quad you speak of outperform a Q6600 or out OC a Q6600? Oh they don't? Sorry I forgot that.
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October 13, 2008 1:49:26 AM

OP I am sure the Q6600 price is what your looking for.

Overclocking the E6300 is also an alternative I would try first - lookup threads on overclocking the Asus P5N-E motherboard and your E6300.

There is tons of stuff under the "Overclocking" Section in these forums and people that will assist you there if you are courteous.

/stamps work order completed and knocks of for coffee break.

Good luck.



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October 13, 2008 1:49:55 AM

zenmaster said:
Actually he is correct.
He said "Few".
He did not say "none".

Few applications, especially games, are currently optimized for 4 cores.
Are ther some? Sure.

But neither all or even most.
And the game with which he specifically is concerned is not.

That is not to say that Quads are not for some (My last CPU purchase was a quad), but not for everyone in all cases.

For Crysis, the OPs current CPU and is running too slow and the GPU is a little weak.
Knowing the Exact Motherboard and Power Supply Unit may further help suggestions.
It will let us know what options are avaialbe to optimize his current processor as well what Graphic Units may help.


I agree 100%. But his CPU is already OCed. If he has a E6300 its stock speed is 1.86GHz not 1.95GHz. In fact there are no CPUs from Intel at 1.95GHz. The nxt step up is the E6400 @ 2GHz. His FSB is 279MHz which is higher than 266MHz.

There are not many games currently quad optimized but hopefully they come soon. It is the way its going anyways and I know VALVe is working on it for Source.

And you are right. It looks like his CPU may be limiting the GPU at that slow of a speed. A OC would really boost his Crysis performance a lot. That or he can just get a E8400 or so as his mobo supports all the newset CPUs. But if he wants a quad the Q6600 even at stock 2.4GHz will run Crysis better.
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October 13, 2008 1:59:56 AM

MCM is one of those Rap people isn't he??

heh heh
October 13, 2008 3:11:41 AM

I think he's MC Hammer's brother.
October 13, 2008 8:38:49 AM

Quad core won't help in todays games nor most programs and they OC alot less and cost twice as much(obviously) I am going dual core myself and overclocking it above 3GHz. Im also getting an ATI hd4670 to run all modern games. Do that too and youll be rocking!

If you want to keep your warrenty, sell your cpu and get an e8400 3GHz for under $200. Otherwise your current cpu has great odds of hitting 3GHz overclock with safe volts.
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October 13, 2008 10:40:53 AM

^Heh. Thats true now but soon it wont be. A lot of gaming companies are going for multithreading. A good reason is it will allow them to do more with that extra power.

I think VALVe is planning it with Source with Left 4 Dead. They have rain in it that seems like their multicore benchmark they released a while ago. Then you have DMC4 which is and a few other games too. Soon we should see the major game engines multithreaded (Source, Unreal 3, Quake, CryeEngine 2) which would mean those already with a quad will fare better.
October 14, 2008 10:41:43 AM

Buying games on Valve's Steam is preferred because it automatically updates the games.
October 14, 2008 10:53:33 AM

I have heard there is a website or software that scans your system and tells what upgrades are possible. Demon Server or Damon is in the name. I can't find it.
October 14, 2008 11:08:15 AM

"
#1 - Overclock your E6300 to about 3.2Ghz (Should not be too tough.) "

Is there a guide to overclocking the e6300?
October 14, 2008 1:28:09 PM

just read the Core 2 overclocking stickies posted all over the place (including here)
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October 14, 2008 1:44:24 PM

Will ... can we go now?

Some of us have to sleep ... Tom doesn't pay us much either.

The moderators whip us too !!

October 14, 2008 2:48:02 PM

jimmysmitty said:
^Heh. Thats true now but soon it wont be. A lot of gaming companies are going for multithreading. A good reason is it will allow them to do more with that extra power.

I think VALVe is planning it with Source with Left 4 Dead. They have rain in it that seems like their multicore benchmark they released a while ago. Then you have DMC4 which is and a few other games too. Soon we should see the major game engines multithreaded (Source, Unreal 3, Quake, CryeEngine 2) which would mean those already with a quad will fare better.



Dual cores will benefit too over single cores. I may go quad core in a couple years when those games are out as well as many other applications. Today, dual core is the best value. Tomorrow, quad core will be.
October 17, 2008 12:28:15 PM

With my mb I can overclock my cpu and memory 20% in about 30 seconds. So here is the plan. I wait till after christmas and get a quad and great heat sink for $200. Hopefully I can get a 2.4 quad. 2.4 plus 20% equal 3.0. Woooohoooo! Thanks for all your input guys. You are very helpful.
By the way, the ASUS P5N-E SLI board is so easy to overclock.
October 17, 2008 5:01:12 PM

Did you mean 25% overclock? ;)  ive been reading about core duo/quad overclocks and it seems you need to learn about different voltages to max your oc. Ocing out of the box without those fine tunings will mean less OC
October 17, 2008 5:29:29 PM

fry's has the Q9400 for $200
October 18, 2008 12:47:33 PM

The max oc in Jumper free utility is 20%. I am thinking about getting better memory and better HS before spending big bucks on cpu. Asus qvl has ddr2 ram at 800 but manual says 1033 can work. Newegg configurator has 1033 memory listed. I am just wondering which memory to use.
October 18, 2008 1:09:51 PM

willmarth2 said:
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#1 - Overclock your E6300 to about 3.2Ghz (Should not be too tough.) "

Is there a guide to overclocking the e6300?


This is a very easy chip.
Ensure the RAM is set to 1:1 memory ration.
Set the FSB to 333 (The Default FSB for all of many Intel Chips)

This will run your memory at DDR2-6667 Speeds, By your chip only pushes the memory at DDR2-533 speeds.
The required voltage should be about 1.3v to run at this speed.
(Mine runs at 1.2x something, but 1.3v should be good and you can tweak from there.)

My E6300 at 3.0 is actually quite a bit faster than my Q6600 at 2.4ghz in most tasks.
I need to raise my E6300 a bit above 1.3v to hit 3.2Ghz.
It makes less fan noise at 3.0, so I leave it there.

My Q6600 runs 24x7x365 hosting a number of VMs and speed is not a priority which is why it's not OC'd.
But I have been able to drop my voltage down to 1.15v (Have not tested lower, I'm happy)
October 18, 2008 1:17:31 PM

I run crysis on medium with a Pentium...
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