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August 4, 2008 1:56:35 PM

I am planning on my first build.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Asus P5N-D Motherboard
Maxtor DiamondMax 21 500GB Hard Drive
450W Power Supply
Combo Disk Drive
2 X 1024mb 800mhz DDR2 Ram

PNY GeForce 8500 GT (My budget is $50 for a graphics card but i want a card that i can add more of.)


Will this configuration work?
Anything I should know before I buy?

Sorry if this is the wrong section

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August 4, 2008 2:13:12 PM

which 450w power supply are you getting?
what is this build gonna be used for?
I'm guessing you already have a case?
what do you mean by "i want a card that i can add more of"? sli?
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August 4, 2008 2:19:18 PM

What is the total budget? And what are you hoping to use it for. We might be able to come up with better alternatives for your uses and your budget. One thing strikes me right off... Why the quad core? If your applications don't use all 4 cores, you might be able to save money and gain performance with a faster 2 core.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 2:19:42 PM

Welcome to the forums!

Get a good power supply. It is important for the life of your investment. A cheap PSU can destroy your investment.
I would get a case without power supply and get the power supply separately.

Top Tier PSU:
http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10...

http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i...

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1460

Silent PSUs
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article699-page1.html

AMD Certified PSUs (Single+Crossfire):
http://ati.amd.com/online/certifiedpsu/index.html

Certified SLI-Ready Power Supplies
http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html

It is not worth SLiing a 8500. Get a faster video card later on if you need it.
August 4, 2008 2:21:10 PM

My budget is $700
I'm using the quad core for bragging rights.
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 2:21:31 PM

It's the correct section;

The 8500GT is a very weak video card. It's fine for a general purpose PC - but a disaster for a gaming PC.
[:wr2:2] Even with two 8500GTs you'll just have a "double disaster" in my opinion.

You'd be a LOT better off by downgrading CPU & motherboard and upgrading video card if you can't increase your budget. You can get a 8600GTS for $60 after rebate E7200 2.53Ghz CPU ~$120

a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 2:22:45 PM

WillT said:
I'm using the quad core for bragging rights.

No one will notice the Q6600 - they'll be too busy laughing at the weak 8500GT [:wr2:5]
August 4, 2008 2:24:12 PM

Well whats a better card? I was planning on hooking up to my 42" polaroid hdtv
August 4, 2008 2:27:50 PM

What do you guys think would be the best option on my budget?
August 4, 2008 2:29:38 PM

...well as you probably have noticed, the 8500gt sucks...hard....its just wrong putting such a crappy video card along with a Q6600...If you're getting this for gaming, then I would agree with the others and opt for a fast dual core that would leave you with money to spend a nice video card...and I'm sure you could guess what brand of video cards I'd recommend...lol...

Please let us know what the purpose of this rig is for so that we can give you some better direction...
August 4, 2008 2:31:17 PM

btw...with $700, you can make a pretty freaking sweet computer...its not like the old days where you needed $1200+ to have a good rig...
August 4, 2008 2:32:36 PM

Ahslan what do you think i should do? I build alot of 3d models for a game ive been working on for about 7 months
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 2:34:17 PM

Also do you plan to buy from a specific source? Or are you open to shopping at other online stores?
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 2:34:41 PM

Is that game Spore?
August 4, 2008 2:34:59 PM

Anywhere as long as i can get everything from on place
August 4, 2008 2:40:47 PM

WillT said:
Ahslan what do you think i should do? I build alot of 3d models for a game ive been working on for about 7 months


wow...props man...well lets see...I believe building 3D models requires A TON of GPU and procession power (hopefully someone else can reinforce this statement)...is the program you use to build these models optimized to use all four cores of the Q6600? because if it is, then it would be worth getting the quad core...
August 4, 2008 2:43:58 PM

ahslan said:
wow...props man...well lets see...I believe building 3D models requires A TON of GPU and procession power (hopefully someone else can reinforce this statement)...is the program you use to build these models optimized to use all four cores of the Q6600? because if it is, then it would be worth getting the quad core...

Honestly I don't know. Right now I'm using a lame freeware program called Blender. It runs extremely slow on the computer I have right now Pentium 4 2.80ghz 1gb of ram.
August 4, 2008 2:50:46 PM

well I went to their website and their optimal hardware setting says "dual CPU"...then again not too sure if that has been updated recently or not...btw, do you have any specific preferences of brands, like intel, ati, gigabyte, corsair, etc..???
August 4, 2008 2:53:00 PM

Not really Ive just had problems with AMD in the past no offense.
August 4, 2008 2:55:32 PM

Also I try to run my game client and the server at the same time but this little computer cant handle it.
August 4, 2008 2:57:11 PM

WillT said:
Not really Ive just had problems with AMD in the past no offense.


lol...none taken...

check this out...
http://blendernewbies.blogspot.com/2007/02/computer-upgrade-tips.html

its more than a year old but it does give some insight...

...imma work on a wishlist for ya on newegg...but I must admit, I'm not very familiar with intel mobos (but do know that they have great processors)...you should probably look up stuff on newegg rather than compusa or tigerdirect (newegg usually has better prices and WAY better customer service)
August 4, 2008 2:58:54 PM

Thanks for all the help so far :D 
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 3:10:42 PM
a b B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 3:11:54 PM

^ :lol:  You beat me to it. Good choice on the RAM since you wont need to mess with the Voltages.

Ok with a $700 budget this is what I recommend:

P35-DS3L ($83) or P45-DS3R (To do CrossFire on a budget, $125)
Q6600 (for video editing, etc, $180) or E8400 (gaming, $170)
WD 640GB AAKS ($85)
ATI 4850 ($165)
XIGMATEK S1283 ($27, after MIR) + bolt in kit ($7) [ONLY if OCing]
G.Skill 4GB DDR2 800 RAM $80 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )
Corsair 650TX ($90 after MIR) or PC Power & Cooling 610 ($80 after MIR)

Any DVD RW and case you want.

Total (with P35-DS3L, Q6600,PP&C 610, and every thing else excluding case/DVD RW)= $541


August 4, 2008 3:17:02 PM

^ well there are the intel experts I was waiting on...lol...its good to know that the build I came up with is extremely similar to WR2's and Shadow's... :) 
August 4, 2008 3:24:18 PM

I have another Question :D 

Windows Xp 32bit
Windows Xp 64bit

Which one should I install
August 4, 2008 3:29:56 PM

XP 64 does have compatibility issues with some programs but it does let you see all four gigs of ram...but I would definitely not recommend it if you plan on playing games...

why not try vista? your computer will be more than capable of handling your programs along with vista's background programs...(both 32 and 64 bit versions of vista recognize all 4 gigs of ram...)
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 3:30:02 PM

YouTube video on Blender multi-threading: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmPv00N2Dus

If you already have both XP32 and XP64 I'd go with XP64.
If you need an OS I'd suggest getting Vista64.
August 4, 2008 3:33:01 PM

well the comments on that video suggest that blender can use up to 8 cores...so I'd definitely recommend going with the Q6600...
August 4, 2008 3:36:31 PM

Wow thanks for all the help

I know ive asked alot of questions but what do you guys think of water cooling?
August 4, 2008 3:38:28 PM

theres no reason to use water cooling unless you're ocing beyond belief...the quad core already oc's ridiculously on air...
August 4, 2008 3:40:19 PM

what do you recommend for a case?
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 3:45:43 PM

Water cooling on your budget? Or will you be adding funds for the extra cost?

E8400 3.0Ghz vs Q6600 2.4Ghz; The Q6600 will be faster than a dual core in rendering only. In modeling the E8400 will be faster.
August 4, 2008 3:46:26 PM

well, like I said, it all comes down to personal opinion...

what kind of cases do you like? extravagant ones with windows and led fans? or simple, quality non discrete cases?
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 4:20:37 PM

Here is the power supply for the XION II XON-101;

No one in these forums is going to be happy about it's +12v power for a Q6600/E8400 and mid-range video card:

For comparison - note the +12v total load (Xion=216W EA380=324 EA430=360 :
Antec EA 380W
Antec EA 430W
August 4, 2008 4:35:42 PM

about how many watts do i need?
a c 90 B Homebuilt system
August 4, 2008 4:59:18 PM

It's not so much about how many watts as it is watts in the right place - the +12v rails. Thats what the power hungry CPU and video cards use.

Which video card will you be getting? Which CPU?
How high will you overclock the CPU? (if you do any overclocking).

The video card and the CPU, plus any overclocking, are what you need to decide first.
On the other hand you can just go "BIG" and not have to worry about the size of the power supply if you have a big enough budget.

My suggested build with E8400/EP35-DS3L is fine with a 380W PSU with only light overclocking. But notice it was a PSU that had 324 +12v watts.
August 4, 2008 5:04:40 PM

Is there a good $100 graphics card?
August 4, 2008 6:18:58 PM

look at the ATI's HD3850 and Nvidia's 9600GT...best $100 video cards...if you can scramble to get $25 more, I would go with an HD3870 (worth the $25 more)
August 4, 2008 6:27:44 PM

...and if you can save a little more...definitely go for an HD4850 (<<<they tear $h|t up) :) 
August 4, 2008 6:56:43 PM

Do i need a screw kit to put this together?
August 4, 2008 6:58:59 PM

naw...the case should come with all the screws for the entire setup...
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