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my 4870x2 performance with crysis!?!?

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August 31, 2008 8:09:05 AM

Hi, just put together a new computer

E8400 stock (at this stage)
620W Corsair
4Gb ram
Asus p45
4870x2 card
X-fi sound card
24 inch screen 1920x1200

My fps with HIGH setting, 19200X1200 AA on
can get as low as 15, often in the 18-20 range... goes up to 30 in some areas

Does that sound right to you guys or do I have a problem

Tom's hardware caps it at 30FPS but I dont know how that is averaged... because in reality it is mostly in th 18-20 range for me.

what could be the problem?




August 31, 2008 8:28:45 AM

whats the driver version ?
i am not sure why it should give you more fps
August 31, 2008 8:53:05 AM

running in xp

both card and crysis are latest drivers off the net.
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August 31, 2008 9:30:09 AM

just forget the AA
i am sure you will not notice any differences in that res
August 31, 2008 10:08:48 AM

ashkon52 said:
Hi, just put together a new computer

E8400 stock (at this stage)
4870x2 card

My fps with HIGH setting, 19200X1200 AA on
can get as low as 15, often in the 18-20 range... goes up to 30 in some areas

Does that sound right to you guys or do I have a problem



There's no problem, that's about right. Crysis was optimized for Nvidia cards, in fact it was used by Nvidia as its demo, and the 4850/70 performs below par in that game, though each driver release is improving it. For everything else the 4870s shine. Disable AA and overclock and you''l get it up 10fps or more.
a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2008 12:46:39 PM

strange u should get more fps. my 2 gtx260 in sli play crysis at 1680x1050, all very high, dx10, 16aa avg 30-35fps.
do ur other games fps seem right or do u get poor performance only in crysis?
August 31, 2008 4:20:35 PM

ATI + Crysis = Fail:) 

Don't worry about it, the game was designed to run on Nvidia card, when it comes to Crysis even the 9800 GTX puts pressure ont he 4870 X2:) 
August 31, 2008 4:33:01 PM

With my setup, an E6750 @ 3.6 4GB of 800mhz DDR2 and a stock 4870 X2 I play Crysis at 1920x1200 no AA all on high and get a consistent 25-40 FPS, and it only dips to about 15 FPS. I'm running the latest drivers, but I don't think I have the latest patch. Try turning off AA, there will be no difference in visual quality. I run Vista Ultimate 64-bit.
August 31, 2008 4:34:47 PM

try this
go into bios and set the default video device to pci-e

check whether you have plugged the monitor input to the video card,but not the motherboard
August 31, 2008 4:40:51 PM

L1qu1d said:
ATI + Crysis = Fail:) 

Don't worry about it, the game was designed to run on Nvidia card, when it comes to Crysis even the 9800 GTX puts pressure ont he 4870 X2:) 

I've seen plenty of benchmarks on the ati 4850/4870 telling otherwise... His card should be getting much higher fps, don't blame it because it's an ati card that' just baseless and ridiculous.
August 31, 2008 8:08:45 PM

actually benchmarks have been proving otheriwse for alot of sites, so many that I'm not even going to post any because i'm sure if you search google the first search will provve my point, and so will the second, third etc:) 

The 4870 X2 is the best card to get on the market right now (not based on Price/performance ratio)

But the game it struggles on is Crysis:) 

So its about as baseless and ridiculous as your post:D  show me some benchies:D 
a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2008 8:27:36 PM

crysis is invidia optimized so if you buy a pc to play only crysis then go for 280gtx/9800gx2
August 31, 2008 8:41:56 PM

my advice: Go play other games :p  ... wait a year or two, buy new card and
voila! you can play crysis 60 fps max settings.... :p 
August 31, 2008 9:27:13 PM

Anyway Crysis 2 (I forget what it will be called) is likely to have much better optimized code that will have it whizzing by on both Nvidia and ATI cards.
August 31, 2008 10:41:20 PM

I believe they said that its using the same engine but toned down. I might've heard wrong:) 

All I can say is, play the game on medium, beat it and then put it to rest. Other than that you won't get much more happiness.

It will just leave you with a disappointed ending:D 
September 2, 2008 1:12:35 PM

sounds like my computer is getting normal results from crysis. Thats ok... as long as it is normal.
I did check the bios setting as suggested but it was already tweaked..

Im still waiting for call of duty 4 to arrive by mail.

Crysis is a beautiful game. I went all out with z5500 THX speakers, G15 and G9 peripheral but its sad that the highest end dual chip graphics card (released 6 month after crysis) is still struggling with it on maximum settings!

Its definitely the best single player experience I have had. Kills Half life 2's linear end to end gameplay. But damn this beast of a game for making me feel so weak with a brand new ($3500 AUS) gaming computer.


September 2, 2008 1:30:31 PM

"I believe they said that its using the same engine but toned down"

Nah its the same engine but better optimized. Turn all AA off and see if the results are better. No point using aa, and if you do, use r_useedgeAA = 4 or whatever
a b U Graphics card
September 2, 2008 1:55:11 PM

Just put Physics on Low or just off!

It's the physics engine in Crysis that makes Dual Cores and Single Cores have a really hard time. I actually don't know why it performs a little better on nVidia hardware, but it's not by that much either.

Maybe you can clock it higher (3.4Ghz) and test again, but i say just play with lower physics settings. It doesn't add that much to gameplay anyway :p 

Esop!
September 2, 2008 7:19:30 PM

ashkon52 said:
sounds like my computer is getting normal results from crysis. Thats ok... as long as it is normal.
I did check the bios setting as suggested but it was already tweaked..

Im still waiting for call of duty 4 to arrive by mail.

Crysis is a beautiful game. I went all out with z5500 THX speakers, G15 and G9 peripheral but its sad that the highest end dual chip graphics card (released 6 month after crysis) is still struggling with it on maximum settings!

Its definitely the best single player experience I have had. Kills Half life 2's linear end to end gameplay. But damn this beast of a game for making me feel so weak with a brand new ($3500 AUS) gaming computer.


Well first your running XP.So that 4 gigs you have is really only running a little over 3gigs. Crysis runs better in Vista 64bit and it uses alot of RAM .
a b U Graphics card
September 2, 2008 7:25:44 PM

Crysis kills AA. At 1980x though, does AA even have a reason to be on?
September 2, 2008 8:37:42 PM

no ffs, when i run AA in crysis i hardly notice the difference except in frame rates.

INSTEAD - type con_restricted 0, then type r_useedgeAA = 4 (or whatever you want). This gives good AA on sharp edges without performance hit.

I also turned down my monitors sharpness lol and it looks much nicer now :p 
September 2, 2008 9:18:26 PM

My system is almost identical to your's but i am running it on vista 64, and i can play on very high at that res with 2x aa and get max around 40 fps avg 25.5 and min around 11.

So I don't know what is limiting your's
September 3, 2008 7:09:15 AM

gamerk316 said:
Crysis kills AA. At 1980x though, does AA even have a reason to be on?


AA is actually more necesary (and less effective) on a 24" 1920x1200 lcd screen than on a 20"1680x1050 screen! This is because the 24" screen has natively bigger physical pixels, making disguising stepped edges far harder. Increasing screen sizes on a LCD does not lessen the need for AA, Increasing the resolution on a CRT DOES because CRT's actually shrink the size of the pixels to allow for an increase of resolution rather than just having a bigger panel to allow more pixels.

Theres no increase image quality from a bigger LCD panel, just an increase in size... Sure you can sit further back to try to blur out the massive size of the pixels, but then you lose the whole point of a big screen, the further you get from the screen the "smaller" the screen appears, sadly for anyone with good eyesight they lose all advantage of a view filling screen before they lose the negative aspects of the large pixel size...
September 3, 2008 2:46:00 PM

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crt's increase the number of pixels, they cannot shrink the size of them as they only have a fixed amount although i know what you meant.


As I understand it a CRT DOES change the size of its pixels when changing resolution, as far as I know one pixel on a CRT screen does not necesarily equal one TRIAD, this is why they can change resolution so easily... A CRT's Triad size may never change but the number of triads involved in creating a pixel does, hence on the same 19" crt when running at 640x480 the pixels are larger than when running at 2048x1536.
September 3, 2008 3:44:43 PM

F$$K me... I bought windows Vista 32 because everyone said the 64 version is no good.

I cant win with this bloody game.

I should be killing this game with a new high end dual graphics card.

Can the PC gaming medium be any more difficult. The one exclusive game to PC and I cant run it at full capacity.

Its embarrassing when I try to show this piece of metal garbage to my console buddies.
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2008 3:59:13 PM

Or do what I did and run at 1280x1024; 50FPS almost constantly, even with 4x AA on.
a b U Graphics card
September 3, 2008 5:54:05 PM

Or, play a game that isn't Nvidia lunch meat. Show them GRID at 1920 x1200 with 8XAA and then your friends will **** their pants.
September 3, 2008 11:14:00 PM

I see as anything over 8x as overkill, I play CSS for instance at 2xs or 4xs If I increase it, I see nothing:) .
a b U Graphics card
September 4, 2008 4:31:20 AM

It's still nice to know that you have it, I usually game with 4X, or 2X if performance is sketchy, optimally I would choose 8X, of course mostly for older titles only. 16X is just dumb, and 24X custom antialiasing....well, that's just a huge E penis.
September 4, 2008 7:39:05 AM

Here's the obvious solution no one's mentioned: CrossfireX
September 4, 2008 12:51:47 PM

thats not a solution lol, since it performs about 2-5 frames more in Crysis when paired up with another 4870 X2:) 
September 4, 2008 1:04:58 PM

OP: goto www.crymod.com, download a very high quality optimizer config and most of your performance problems should go away.

The stock Crysis quality settings are anything but "badly coded" - the coding for Crysis is incredible compared to most other modern games - but by DEFAULT the game is optimized for a very long viewing distance and high level of detail on long distance objects; this greatly effects AA performance and does have an impact on non-AA performance.

Quality optimizer mods have LoD tricks in them to massively increase performance and even improve visuals in most cases at the same time.
September 4, 2008 1:09:10 PM

L1qu1d said:
I see as anything over 8x as overkill, I play CSS for instance at 2xs or 4xs If I increase it, I see nothing:) .



I gotta agree mostly, over 4xAA is usually overkill; but it can make a markable improvement depending on the game too.

It just depends on the structure of the game I guess. Games like Crysis, Stalker, Company of Heroes, cranking up AA is not really noticeable because of how dense the scenery is to begin with and how the games themselves are laid out; but in games like Grid and Half Life2 and even UT3 to an extent, where the scenery is not that dense I find quality AA modes very noticeable over standard 2x/4x
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