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4850 CF vs. 4870x2 vs. 4870 CF

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August 8, 2008 3:03:21 AM

Here are a few builds I've been working on...I realized that I should probably not go all out with nehalem right around the corner.
So 4850 CF+mid-ranged system is looking mighty attractive.
Any advice/suggestions on parts/brands?

Old builds:
Build 1:
CPU - E8400 - $172
Mobo - Asus P5Q-pro p45 (what's the diff between pro and non-pro? $10 diff) - $139
GPU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit - Palit 4870 (Is Palit a good company? Cheapest, or should I wait for 4870x2?) - $290
RAM - Mushkin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushkin DDR-800 5-4-4-12 4GB - $80 after MIR
Case - Antec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antec Three Hundred (is this enough space for everything? will it fit heatsink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_sink ?) - $53
CPU cooler - Sunbeam Core Contact Freeze (will it fit in the antec 300?) - $40
PSU - Corsair TX750 (not really needed for duo core+1 GPU, but it's cheap and corsair makes good shizz) - $95 after MIR
Hard Drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive - Seagate 500GB 32mb buffer 7200RPM - $72
Total = $1021 before shipping/taxes

Build 2:
CPU - Q9450 - $315
Mobo - Gigabyte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte DS4 x48 CF - $250
GPU - Palit 4870 (prob cf, or wait for 4870x2 and cf that after :p ) - $290
RAM - Mushkin DDR-800 5-4-4-12 4GB - $80 after MIR
Case - Antec P182 (Is the cooling good enough for CF 4870x2?) - $140
CPU cooler - Sunbeam Core Contact Freeze - $40
PSU - Corsair TX750 (should i get something beefier if plan on CF?) - $95 after MIR
Hard Drive - Seagate 500GB 32mb buffer 7200RPM - $72
Total = $1282 before shipping/taxes

Build 3:
I'm pretty excited about this build, and am really close to pulling the trigger, because I realized 2x4850 really can't be beaten performance:p rice wise. It can handle everything on the market at 1080P with all the eye candy on for $300...blowing by the 4870/gtx280/gtx260 that costs the same or more.
Anyways here it is.

CPU - 8400 Wolfdale - $170...should i go with the 8500? or maybe the q6600 (only problem is quads aren't utilized in games...and won't be for a while longer, what's the point in paying premium for a quad when i only expect to have this machine for maybe 1-2 years)
Mobo - Gigabyte x48 DS$ - $250 , there's a DFI x48 for about $10 less...should I go with that? I've been reading good reviews for the Gigabyte board...
RAM - Mushkin DDR-800 5-4-4-12 4gb - $69.99 after MIR, should I go with Mushkin, or G-skill? G-skill running at 4-4-4-12 but at 2.0-2.1v
Case - Antec Three Hundred - $53
GPU - Gigabyte 4850-$150 should I go CF?
CPU cooler - Sunbeam Core Contact Freeze - $40
PSU - Corsair TX750, will this work with 2x4850? Does it have enough PIN connectors? I'm completely dumbfounded - $95 after MIR
Hard Drive - Seagate 500GB 32mb buffer 7200RPM - $72
Total = $900<----that is a yummy price :S

So my main questions are:
1) Is it worth it to go with q6600 over 8400 when games don't use quads, and i will only have this comp for 1-2 years.
2) should I go with the 8500 over the 8400? or maybe the 8300 over the 8400?
3) Should I go with the Gigabyte DS4 x48, or the DFI x48 board which is 10 dollars cheaper?
4) Mushkin or G-skill RAM?
5) Antec three hundred - can it fit 4850 CF? and also sunbeam core freeze heatsink?
6) does TX750 have enough pins to connect crossfired 4850s?
7) what is the best hard drive to get price/performance wise. i only really need like 100GB of space, what's the cheapest+best performing HD?

thanks dudes!!!!

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August 8, 2008 3:13:26 AM

I like build 3 very much.

1. No, get the E8400, unless you play FSX.
2. Get the E8400. The E8500 won't add much value because the E8400 is already faster than games need.
3. I'd pick Gigabyte, but that's just because I've had several of their MBs and they all worked.
4. Mushkin, but G.Skill isn't bad either.
5. Get an RC-690 case
6. Yes
7. WD6400AAKS has the best size/speed/price AFAIK these days. Are you sure 100GB will be enough? WD3200AAKS is cheaper, but a lot more expensive per GB.

August 8, 2008 3:26:42 AM

aevm said:
I like build 3 very much.

1. No, get the E8400, unless you play FSX.
2. Get the E8400. The E8500 won't add much value because the E8400 is already faster than games need.
3. I'd pick Gigabyte, but that's just because I've had several of their MBs and they all worked.
4. Mushkin, but G.Skill isn't bad either.
5. Get an RC-690 case
6. Yes
7. WD6400AAKS has the best size/speed/price AFAIK these days. Are you sure 100GB will be enough? WD3200AAKS is cheaper, but a lot more expensive per GB.


thanks for the quick/helpful response!
1) So the extra $25 for a q6600 isn't worth it?
2) the coolermaster cm-690 is another $26 more than the antec 300, will the 300 have trouble fitting everything? i'd rather pay another $20 more and get an antec 900 than the cm690...grrr. something about antec!
3) i decided on the Gigabyte 4850...is that a good brand for thise GPU? any known problems like the asus one? or is there a better brand to go with?
thanks!!!
4) the WD6400AAKS...isn't it slower than the seagate with 32mb buffer? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30004&vpn=WD...
the WD only has 16mb buffer. capacity is not a big deal for me, i just want it fast and cheap
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August 8, 2008 3:59:07 AM

WD6400AAKS is faster and is a very good value, especially at $79.99 USD. Below charts are from Extremetechs review of the WD6400AAKS.
The Antec Three Hundred will fit your build easily. ExtremeTech WD6400AAKS review.
August 8, 2008 5:25:29 AM

asus and gigabyte are both good brans, either one will work


if your not gonna be going all out, and want this com for another year or 2, just get the dual e8400. then buy nehalem.


get the antec 900, you'll be happy with the cooling power of it.
August 8, 2008 1:17:34 PM

If you get the Q6600, make sure you get the OEM (the one that's $15 more than the E8400), not the retail (the one that's $25 more than the E8400). You lose the stock cooler but you don't need it since you're getting the Core cooler anyway. It's also $10 less.

It really doesn't matter if you get the E8400 or Q6600. They are both fast enough not to bottleneck games, so you'd get exactly the same fps with either, and none of them would work at 100%. The exceptions are few (like Flight Simulator X) or if you do lots of things in the background while playing. In those cases a Q6600 would be better.

I would trust either Asus and Gigabyte. Right now, at newegg, the Asus sounds better because it's $2 less and includes a game.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121253
August 8, 2008 1:35:14 PM

The Antec 300 has only 2 fans, by default, and the HD 4850 needs good cooling. Add a few more fans to the front, e.g. SFF21E.

I doubt that the Core Contact fits in the Antec 300. Can't say for sure though. Both case and cooler are relatively new. Also, the cooler is aimed at overclockers and the case isn't. That makes it a rare combination. It might work, I just can't find anybody who has tried it. I found users reviews saying the Thermalright Ultra-120 did not fit, and the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro did fit.

Here's a funny quote from a newegg reviewer (about the Antec 300):
Quote:
Power Button is right above the DVD/CD-ROM slot. I can't tell you how many times i have hit the power button when reaching down on the case to eject the DVD-ROM. It should be on the other side of the case.




August 8, 2008 11:03:56 PM

aevm said:
The Antec 300 has only 2 fans, by default, and the HD 4850 needs good cooling. Add a few more fans to the front, e.g. SFF21E.

I doubt that the Core Contact fits in the Antec 300. Can't say for sure though. Both case and cooler are relatively new. Also, the cooler is aimed at overclockers and the case isn't. That makes it a rare combination. It might work, I just can't find anybody who has tried it. I found users reviews saying the Thermalright Ultra-120 did not fit, and the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro did fit.

Here's a funny quote from a newegg reviewer (about the Antec 300):
Quote:
Power Button is right above the DVD/CD-ROM slot. I can't tell you how many times i have hit the power button when reaching down on the case to eject the DVD-ROM. It should be on the other side of the case.

haha, sweetness.
you've actually convinced me to opt for the rc690....loving the huge cooling potential with all the optional fans attached.
i've been reading it's a large case too, so shouldn't have any problems fitting all the goodies :) 
thanks for the advice!
just wondering if i should wait for nehalem....prices for x48 will be dirt cheap!
blaaaah...nehalem should be here by sept/oct?
August 9, 2008 1:14:31 AM

No idea, sorry.

You might want to wait a couple of months after Nehalem is out. That gives you a chance to read more reviews, especially about motherboards. Also, I expect prices will be high at first, until supply catches up up with demand.
August 11, 2008 5:25:29 PM

this sounds like a dope build, did a similiar one not to long ago in the antec 900, keeps my CPU with a true 120 a few degrees above room temperature at idle, very nice case when used properly, just take the time to route your cables nicely
!