1st time building PC, need some help...
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bob78h
August 8, 2008 5:30:33 PM
[story]
Ok well so I'm not too much of a noob with software and stuff, but when it comes to hardware...
Well so I'm currently on one of those cheap HP laptops with integrated graphics and I actually want to play NEW games
. Its my birthday soon, and since our family needs another computer anyway, I *might* just be able to convince my parents to buy my one if I can make it around $1000 or so.
I was originally going to configure one from CyberPower, but decided that its about time to build a PC anyway...
So, I think I'll get my parts from Newegg.
[/story]
[questions]
Alright so the main problem is that I'm afraid I'll get parts that don't "work" with each other. My dad is afraid that I won't have all the parts I need to build a PC...
Heres what I think I want to get so far... Comments, tips, etc welcome.
(Updated reflecting answers)
Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Case
$139.99-$20 instant rebate=$119.99
Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$74.99
Wireless Card:
GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS PCI Wireless Adapter
$19.99
Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
$149.98-$5 instant rebate-$9.99 combo=$134.99
Video Card:
SAPPHIRE 100242L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
$179.99-$15 mail-in rebate=$169.99
Sound Card:
Probably integrated sound now...
Power Supply:
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
$79.99-$20 mail-in rebate=$59.99
RAM:
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK
$114.99-$15 instant rebate=$99.99-$35 mail-in rebate=$64.99
Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
$169.99
CPU Cooler:
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
$36.99-$10 mail-in rebate=$26.99
Additional Fans:
Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan
$29.99-$10 instant rebate=$19.99
Optical Drive:
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-04
$23.99
Soooo....
Please tell me any parts I missed that I need, or stupid mistakes I made, like the mobo not supporting the parts I have or stuff like that...
By the way, I plan on overclocking the E8400 Wolfdale, because I've read that it can go to 4 GHz without a problem, anyone recommend a cooler for this?
[/questions]
Thanks in advance!!
Ok well so I'm not too much of a noob with software and stuff, but when it comes to hardware...
Well so I'm currently on one of those cheap HP laptops with integrated graphics and I actually want to play NEW games
. Its my birthday soon, and since our family needs another computer anyway, I *might* just be able to convince my parents to buy my one if I can make it around $1000 or so.I was originally going to configure one from CyberPower, but decided that its about time to build a PC anyway...
So, I think I'll get my parts from Newegg.
[/story]
[questions]
Alright so the main problem is that I'm afraid I'll get parts that don't "work" with each other. My dad is afraid that I won't have all the parts I need to build a PC...
Heres what I think I want to get so far... Comments, tips, etc welcome.
(Updated reflecting answers)
Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Case
$139.99-$20 instant rebate=$119.99
Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$74.99
Wireless Card:
GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS PCI Wireless Adapter
$19.99
Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
$149.98-$5 instant rebate-$9.99 combo=$134.99
Video Card:
SAPPHIRE 100242L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
$179.99-$15 mail-in rebate=$169.99
Sound Card:
Probably integrated sound now...
Power Supply:
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
$79.99-$20 mail-in rebate=$59.99
RAM:
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK
$114.99-$15 instant rebate=$99.99-$35 mail-in rebate=$64.99
Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400
$169.99
CPU Cooler:
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
$36.99-$10 mail-in rebate=$26.99
Additional Fans:
Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan
$29.99-$10 instant rebate=$19.99
Optical Drive:
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-04
$23.99
Soooo....
Please tell me any parts I missed that I need, or stupid mistakes I made, like the mobo not supporting the parts I have or stuff like that...
By the way, I plan on overclocking the E8400 Wolfdale, because I've read that it can go to 4 GHz without a problem, anyone recommend a cooler for this?
[/questions]
Thanks in advance!!
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Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 6:05:30 PM
1. Don't get that PSU. It is cr@p. Get a Corsair 450VX or even a Thermaltake 500W ($30 after MIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ Stealth 500W ($40 after MIR).
(Above PSUs are for single GPU only)
2. Drop the 650i. It's a old chipset. Get a P45-DS3L (no CrossFire) and a 4850. If you want CrossFire get a P45-DS3R. To CrossFire 4850s you need a Corsair 750TX or PC Power & Cooling 750 or better. You will only need to CrossFire only if playing above 1600*1200 on some games (ie Crysis)
3. E8400, WD 500GB,Antec 900, OCZ 2*2GB DDR2 800 are very good choices. Also consider dropping the sound card.
4. For cooling swap the AF7 for the XIGMATEK S1283 (+ bolt in kit)
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ Stealth 500W ($40 after MIR).
(Above PSUs are for single GPU only)
2. Drop the 650i. It's a old chipset. Get a P45-DS3L (no CrossFire) and a 4850. If you want CrossFire get a P45-DS3R. To CrossFire 4850s you need a Corsair 750TX or PC Power & Cooling 750 or better. You will only need to CrossFire only if playing above 1600*1200 on some games (ie Crysis)
3. E8400, WD 500GB,Antec 900, OCZ 2*2GB DDR2 800 are very good choices. Also consider dropping the sound card.
4. For cooling swap the AF7 for the XIGMATEK S1283 (+ bolt in kit)
bob78h
August 8, 2008 6:15:35 PM
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BigBurn
August 8, 2008 6:16:20 PM
Change the case to an Antec Sonata III, it comes with come with a good 500w power supply. It will save you some money.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And ya, drop the sound card, the integrated one on the motherboard is good enough if not better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And ya, drop the sound card, the integrated one on the motherboard is good enough if not better.
slayeron444
August 8, 2008 6:20:01 PM
Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 6:23:58 PM
bob78h said:
Ok thanks!However, if I do want the 8800GT Superclocked Edition (reviews say its pretty darn good), or I want 2 of them, what mobo would you recommend? I mean I'm pretty sure one is enough, but... If I have the money I guess.
Imo, it's not with it to SLI. There aren't any good and cheap board to SLI on. You need a 780i chipset to do SLI correctly. 750i has problems.
Stick with CrossFire 4850s. Much better performance and cheaper too (when you consider in motherboard cost).
bob78h
August 8, 2008 6:27:50 PM
bob78h
August 8, 2008 6:35:57 PM
Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 6:39:09 PM
You might want to get some thermal paste. Go with ArcticSilver or MX2.
You might also want to get some quiet fans. For quiet fans look in to Scyth.
Since this is your first build I recommend you read up on PC assembling things such as grounding your self,etc. If you want to be really careful of ESD get a anti-static wrist strap ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ). If you plan to build PCs for friends etc, get your self a good demagnetized tool kit (usually from $10-50 depending on # of pieces, quality etc). I use this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You might also want to get some quiet fans. For quiet fans look in to Scyth.
Since this is your first build I recommend you read up on PC assembling things such as grounding your self,etc. If you want to be really careful of ESD get a anti-static wrist strap ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ). If you plan to build PCs for friends etc, get your self a good demagnetized tool kit (usually from $10-50 depending on # of pieces, quality etc). I use this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 6:42:42 PM
bob78h said:
Sorry double post..For the 4850, people are saying that is runs hot...
Any fans or stuff that I should get?
You'll be fine. It runs a bit hot. You have a Antec 900 so you should be fine. Just add a PCI exhaust fan if you are concerned.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
(Get one in the 30-40 CFM range)
I mostly agree with Shadow. Point #4 might not matter. The Xigmatek is the better cooler, but the AF7 is also pretty decent. If the system will be moved around a lot, you might want the better mounting of the Xigmatek also, but if it is just going to sit there, either will do nicely.
Point #1 definitely matters. Get a decent PSU. There is an admittedly dated listing at http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon that is still not a bad place to start. If a newer model isn't listed, I'd make sure the manufacturer has nothing below tier-3. For example, Antec Earthwatts PSUs aren't listed, but are good; same with the Corsair VX line and some of the OCZs. A single HD4850 only requires a good 500W PSU. If you want two in Crossfire (or two nVidia 8800 in SLI), you'd want 650W-750W. There is a PSU sizing calculator at http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.js.... I'd add another 30% onto what it suggests, so the PSU you get will be operating in a more efficient part of its operating range.
Point #1 definitely matters. Get a decent PSU. There is an admittedly dated listing at http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon that is still not a bad place to start. If a newer model isn't listed, I'd make sure the manufacturer has nothing below tier-3. For example, Antec Earthwatts PSUs aren't listed, but are good; same with the Corsair VX line and some of the OCZs. A single HD4850 only requires a good 500W PSU. If you want two in Crossfire (or two nVidia 8800 in SLI), you'd want 650W-750W. There is a PSU sizing calculator at http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.js.... I'd add another 30% onto what it suggests, so the PSU you get will be operating in a more efficient part of its operating range.
bob78h
August 8, 2008 6:43:42 PM
So as for assembling, will any guide to building PCs (like the PCWorld thingy) work? Like for the order to put things in.
What size Scythe fans should I get, and how many?
And is Newegg probably the best place to buy this stuff? Is there a better (and cheaper) website? I'm at ~$1100, probably a bit lower with the MIRs, but I wanna know if I can go even lower or not...
Thanks for all your help!
What size Scythe fans should I get, and how many?
And is Newegg probably the best place to buy this stuff? Is there a better (and cheaper) website? I'm at ~$1100, probably a bit lower with the MIRs, but I wanna know if I can go even lower or not...
Thanks for all your help!
Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 6:50:11 PM
bob78h
August 8, 2008 7:02:15 PM
Shadow703793 said:
You'll be fine. It runs a bit hot. You have a Antec 900 so you should be fine. Just add a PCI exhaust fan if you are concerned. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
(Get one in the 30-40 CFM range)
So you think just w/ the Antec 900 case I'll be fine? I'm trying to save money, but I don't want the video card to fry when I'm playing some intense game...
bob78h
August 8, 2008 7:04:36 PM
Onus said:
I mostly agree with Shadow. Point #4 might not matter. The Xigmatek is the better cooler, but the AF7 is also pretty decent. If the system will be moved around a lot, you might want the better mounting of the Xigmatek also, but if it is just going to sit there, either will do nicely.Point #1 definitely matters. Get a decent PSU. There is an admittedly dated listing at http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon that is still not a bad place to start. If a newer model isn't listed, I'd make sure the manufacturer has nothing below tier-3. For example, Antec Earthwatts PSUs aren't listed, but are good; same with the Corsair VX line and some of the OCZs. A single HD4850 only requires a good 500W PSU. If you want two in Crossfire (or two nVidia 8800 in SLI), you'd want 650W-750W. There is a PSU sizing calculator at http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.js.... I'd add another 30% onto what it suggests, so the PSU you get will be operating in a more efficient part of its operating range.
I think I'll start with a single 4850, but since I want to leave the system open to upgrades, maybe I should get a larger PSU?
When you say that a single 4850 "requires" a 500W PSU, is that the bare minimum? I'd rather spend a little more money than have my PSU burn out or something...
bob78h
August 8, 2008 8:10:55 PM
Is this a good guide to use?
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1444
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1444
Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 8:59:19 PM
bob78h said:
I think I'll start with a single 4850, but since I want to leave the system open to upgrades, maybe I should get a larger PSU?When you say that a single 4850 "requires" a 500W PSU, is that the bare minimum? I'd rather spend a little more money than have my PSU burn out or something...
500W is a full system (CPU,RAM,HDD,etc) with a 4850. You can actually run a 4850 on a good quality 450W PSU but you will be pushing the PSU. As most PSUs are efficient at ~80% load you should get something in the 500-550W range.
Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 9:07:34 PM
bob78h
August 8, 2008 9:16:21 PM
Ok thanks!
I think I'll stay with the 500W, and get the wrist wrap.
Are there any additional cables and such that I should purchase?
For the Xigmatek cooler, should I get the retention bracket?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And since the Nine Hundred has a bottom mounter PSU, should I be concerned about it clogging up with carpet fibers? All our rooms are carpeted and I was probably going to put the PC on the floor...
I think I'll stay with the 500W, and get the wrist wrap.
Are there any additional cables and such that I should purchase?
For the Xigmatek cooler, should I get the retention bracket?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And since the Nine Hundred has a bottom mounter PSU, should I be concerned about it clogging up with carpet fibers? All our rooms are carpeted and I was probably going to put the PC on the floor...
Shadow703793
August 8, 2008 10:03:33 PM
bob78h
August 8, 2008 11:08:45 PM
Thanks.
In this thread
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/253296-31-rate-gaming...
on his wishlist, he has an Athena Power 12" EPS-12V (8Pin) connector Extension Cable Model Cable-AD10.
On the page for the product review say its recommended for cases with the PSU on the bottom. Should I get this as well?
In this thread
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/253296-31-rate-gaming...
on his wishlist, he has an Athena Power 12" EPS-12V (8Pin) connector Extension Cable Model Cable-AD10.
On the page for the product review say its recommended for cases with the PSU on the bottom. Should I get this as well?
surfbum
August 8, 2008 11:16:54 PM
bob78h
August 9, 2008 2:18:30 AM
bob78h
August 9, 2008 2:39:50 AM
cow_moo
August 9, 2008 2:55:34 AM
My Enermax PSU is also bottom-mounted, and its cable was long enough to reach. Check where the connector is on the mobo you will buy. Then check what people say about the cable length on your chosen PSU.
When choosing an optical drive, spend the extra $5-$7 to get a Retail version. The OEM version won't come with any software, and you'll need a decoder in order to watch movies. XP (and Vista) can burn CDs, but software like Nero can give you more options, do labels, and other things.
When choosing an optical drive, spend the extra $5-$7 to get a Retail version. The OEM version won't come with any software, and you'll need a decoder in order to watch movies. XP (and Vista) can burn CDs, but software like Nero can give you more options, do labels, and other things.
bob78h
August 9, 2008 4:54:47 AM
Hmm apparently people say that the cable goes straight across the mobo and graphics card, so I think I'll get the extension cable for some more room...
Ok (hopefully) last question...
I might go with the P35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
But it says it has 1 PCI Express x16.
My gfx card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
says it requires PCI Express 2.0 x16
Will the two be compatible?
And also, if someone has time, can they check that all the parts I want are compatible and have enough slots on the motherboard? Thanks!
List here:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...
Motherboard is probably the P35:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ok (hopefully) last question...
I might go with the P35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
But it says it has 1 PCI Express x16.
My gfx card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
says it requires PCI Express 2.0 x16
Will the two be compatible?
And also, if someone has time, can they check that all the parts I want are compatible and have enough slots on the motherboard? Thanks!
List here:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...
Motherboard is probably the P35:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Your graphics will work on that mobo, but a PCI Express 2.0 slot will allow it to reach its full potential. Consider this mobo instead: GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You are a lot more likely to need this power cable:
Athena Power 12" P4-12V (4Pin) connector Extension Cable. Model Cable-AD09 - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... than the 24-pin one you have listed.
Your list is only of the 24-pin power extension.
You are a lot more likely to need this power cable:
Athena Power 12" P4-12V (4Pin) connector Extension Cable. Model Cable-AD09 - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... than the 24-pin one you have listed.
Your list is only of the 24-pin power extension.
bob78h
August 9, 2008 2:52:01 PM
Hmm I was wondering about the power extension. Because my PSU says it uses a 24 pin connection. Also on both of the cases (the EP43 and EP35), the say the power connector is 24 pin. What does this mean?
By the way, I'm looking to overclock my E8400 to at least 4.00 GHz, so is there a compatible good board for that? And that hopefully is under $100?
By the way, I'm looking to overclock my E8400 to at least 4.00 GHz, so is there a compatible good board for that? And that hopefully is under $100?
Shadow703793
August 9, 2008 6:13:30 PM
bob78h
August 10, 2008 1:18:21 AM
Well so if it needs a 24 pin connector shouldn't I get a 24 pin extension instead of a 4 pin extension?
And for some reason Newegg cleared my wish list and my cart >
So far:
Athena Power 12" P4-12V (4Pin) connector Extension Cable. Model Cable-AD09 - OEM
Athena Power 12" EPS (24Pin) connector Extension Cable Model Cable-AD08 - OEM
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-04 - OEM
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS PCI Wireless Adapter - Retail
SAPPHIRE 100242L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - Retail
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
Scythe S-Flex SFF21G 120mm Case Fan - Retail
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Other stuff:
Halo 2 Vista
Xbox360 Controller Wired
Rosewill anti-static wrist wrap
Linkworld LK7010A-C2222-PSII Black PS/2 Slim Keyboard - Retail
Linkworld LM603-C2228 Silver/Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel PS/2 Optical Mouse - Retail
Logitech LX7 931395-0403 Blue 5 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB + PS/2 RF Wireless Optical Mouse - Retail
Those are the contents of my cart...
I have to motherboards (P35 and P43) because I'm not sure what to get...
Which one is better, or is there a preferred third option? I was thinking P43 because of the PCIE 2.0 slot...
And for some reason Newegg cleared my wish list and my cart >
So far:
Athena Power 12" P4-12V (4Pin) connector Extension Cable. Model Cable-AD09 - OEM
Athena Power 12" EPS (24Pin) connector Extension Cable Model Cable-AD08 - OEM
LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-04 - OEM
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS PCI Wireless Adapter - Retail
SAPPHIRE 100242L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply - Retail
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
Scythe S-Flex SFF21G 120mm Case Fan - Retail
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Other stuff:
Halo 2 Vista
Xbox360 Controller Wired
Rosewill anti-static wrist wrap
Linkworld LK7010A-C2222-PSII Black PS/2 Slim Keyboard - Retail
Linkworld LM603-C2228 Silver/Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel PS/2 Optical Mouse - Retail
Logitech LX7 931395-0403 Blue 5 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB + PS/2 RF Wireless Optical Mouse - Retail
Those are the contents of my cart...
I have to motherboards (P35 and P43) because I'm not sure what to get...
Which one is better, or is there a preferred third option? I was thinking P43 because of the PCIE 2.0 slot...
Shadow703793
August 10, 2008 1:24:02 AM
Quote:
Well so if it needs a 24 pin connector shouldn't I get a 24 pin extension instead of a 4 pin extension? And for some reason Newegg cleared my wish list and my cart >
Yes, you need a 24pin for the motherboard. YOu may also need a 4 pin for the CPU power also.
If planing to upgrade to Nahalem next year get the P35, else get P43/P45.
The PSU will have one cable with a 24-pin connector on it, or 20+4 if part can separate; you won't do that, it's for older systems. That one is most likely long enough to reach where it needs to go. There will also be an entirely separate 4-pin power connector that plugs in near the CPU. That is the one that may have to stretch, over the GPU and all across the mobo from a bottom-mounted PSU. That one may need the extension.
bob78h
August 12, 2008 1:21:21 AM
Ok last problem:
My dad wants to know about what the risk is of building your own PC.
He says because Dell and other companies have quality control their parts won't go bad after 6 months to a year, but because we are getting our own parts, they are more likely to go bad and we won't know which part is problematic. Is this a genuine concern or just a misconception? All the parts are new, and are listed here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/254496-31-time-buildi...
My dad wants to know about what the risk is of building your own PC.
He says because Dell and other companies have quality control their parts won't go bad after 6 months to a year, but because we are getting our own parts, they are more likely to go bad and we won't know which part is problematic. Is this a genuine concern or just a misconception? All the parts are new, and are listed here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/254496-31-time-buildi...
All companies have quality control. Dell is able to sell their systems so cheaply in part because they are the minimum necessary to do the job. Want to upgrade the graphics in a Dell? It's just about certain you'll need a bigger PSU. Want to add memory? Nice, but you may only have two slots, both full, which means discarding what's there.
Other than the Linkworld stuff, which is trivial, you've chosen components that should be at least as reliable as those used by Dell. And, should you have problems, you already know where to go for some assistance with them.
Other than the Linkworld stuff, which is trivial, you've chosen components that should be at least as reliable as those used by Dell. And, should you have problems, you already know where to go for some assistance with them.
Shadow703793
August 12, 2008 5:24:01 PM
bob78h
August 12, 2008 9:17:42 PM
Alright I just got around to reading the guide in detail today, we're probably going to order it today.
All the cables that I'll need to connect things (disk drives, hard drives, etc), will they be included with the drive?
And the E8400 includes a fan and cpu cooler, but I'm also getting the Xigmatek Rifle cooler and retention bracket. Does this mean I install the Xigmatek cooler and just ignore the factory cooler? Will I need the fan that comes with the CPU? Can someone give instructions on the retention bracket and cooler? Thanks.
All the cables that I'll need to connect things (disk drives, hard drives, etc), will they be included with the drive?
And the E8400 includes a fan and cpu cooler, but I'm also getting the Xigmatek Rifle cooler and retention bracket. Does this mean I install the Xigmatek cooler and just ignore the factory cooler? Will I need the fan that comes with the CPU? Can someone give instructions on the retention bracket and cooler? Thanks.
bob78h
August 13, 2008 6:52:58 PM
Ok. Well we ordered the parts
But the stupid credit card company blocked it.
We called them to verify and unblock it. They said ok, they would.
We called Newegg to have them redo the order.
The credit card company blocked it AGAIN!!! >
We called Newegg a second time to find out what was going on, then called the credit card people. Finally the order went through...
Thanks a lot for the help!
I'll report back when we get the parts and finish building it.
But the stupid credit card company blocked it.
We called them to verify and unblock it. They said ok, they would.
We called Newegg to have them redo the order.
The credit card company blocked it AGAIN!!! >
We called Newegg a second time to find out what was going on, then called the credit card people. Finally the order went through...
Thanks a lot for the help!
I'll report back when we get the parts and finish building it.
Shadow703793
August 15, 2008 12:47:50 AM
bob78h
August 15, 2008 3:48:39 PM
OK got the parts today, just a few minutes ago.
For some reason, my hard drive doesn't have a SATA cable with it... I think I'll just have to get one from Best Buy or someplace... What length, type, etc should I get? And for my DVD burner, that doesn't include cables either... What cables do I need for that, and do I need another cable to be able to listen to CDs?
For some reason, my hard drive doesn't have a SATA cable with it... I think I'll just have to get one from Best Buy or someplace... What length, type, etc should I get? And for my DVD burner, that doesn't include cables either... What cables do I need for that, and do I need another cable to be able to listen to CDs?
Shadow703793
August 15, 2008 6:51:04 PM
bob78h
August 15, 2008 7:50:07 PM
Yeah ok just checked, I got 2 SATA cables with the motherboard, 1 with a right angled connector. So I'll take one of those to the hard drive and one to the optical drive? The SATA power cables are in that big mass of cables coming from the PSU right? And does my PSU have enough cables for the Nine Hundred's fans? Thanks a ton for your help!
Ok my parts are:
Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Graphics Card:
GIGABYTE GV-R485-512H-B Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Cooler:
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Power Supply:
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Optical Drive:
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wireless Adapter:
GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Adapter Up to 54Mbps Data Rates 64/128 bit WEP, WPA, 802.1x, AES - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Tools and Supplies:
Rosewill RTK-002 Anti-Static Wrist Strap - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound/Grease
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Athena Power 12" P4-12V (4Pin) connector Extension Cable. Model Cable-AD09 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Operating System:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Accessories and Extras:
i-rocks IR-7521L-BK Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Laser 1600 dpi Mouse - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Linkworld LK7010A-C2222-PSII Black 108 Normal Keys PS/2 Slim Keyboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Halo 2 PC Game Microsoft - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wow I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight gonna be soooo hyper for building it tomorrow xD
Ok my parts are:
Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Graphics Card:
GIGABYTE GV-R485-512H-B Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Cooler:
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Power Supply:
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Optical Drive:
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM:
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wireless Adapter:
GIGABYTE GN-WP01GS IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Adapter Up to 54Mbps Data Rates 64/128 bit WEP, WPA, 802.1x, AES - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Tools and Supplies:
Rosewill RTK-002 Anti-Static Wrist Strap - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound/Grease
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Athena Power 12" P4-12V (4Pin) connector Extension Cable. Model Cable-AD09 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Operating System:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Accessories and Extras:
i-rocks IR-7521L-BK Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Laser 1600 dpi Mouse - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Linkworld LK7010A-C2222-PSII Black 108 Normal Keys PS/2 Slim Keyboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Halo 2 PC Game Microsoft - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wow I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight gonna be soooo hyper for building it tomorrow xD
Shadow703793
August 15, 2008 8:13:01 PM
bob78h said:
Yeah ok just checked, I got 2 SATA cables with the motherboard, 1 with a right angled connector. So I'll take one of those to the hard drive and one to the optical drive? Yes
The SATA power cables are in that big mass of cables coming from the PSU right? Yes
And does my PSU have enough cables for the Nine Hundred's fans? Yes
Answers are in bold.
Don't forget to install the motherboard standoffs!
Also how many fans do you plan to install?
bob78h
August 16, 2008 3:12:28 AM
nvm umm I just looked and apparently there are standoffs already in the case, at the corners of where the motherboard (should) be, I'm guessing. So I should check and if it lines up with the holes in the motherboard, just use those?
Umm just the number in the Nine Hundred, which is 3 120mm ones and 1 200mm top fan.
Umm just the number in the Nine Hundred, which is 3 120mm ones and 1 200mm top fan.
bob78h
August 16, 2008 3:39:17 AM
Shadow703793 said:
You should have gotten 2 or 3 SATA cables with the motherboard. You do not need extra CD audio in cables. Please list full specs and links to what you have with you (ie DVD RW,etc).
And I didn't see the "extra"
So because my drive is OEM, it doesn't include any cables, so do I need to buy a CD audio in cable?
Is it something I can add after the build is done?
Shadow703793
August 16, 2008 5:14:03 PM
bob78h
August 16, 2008 6:22:50 PM
bob78h
August 16, 2008 7:01:27 PM
Shadow703793
August 16, 2008 7:49:58 PM
Are you installing with all 4GB RAM?
If so you might want to take out one DIMM so it installs on 2GB. Vista used to have a problem with installing on some systems above 4GB.
Also the OCZ RAM you are using is 2.1v. So you need to increase the RAM voltage through the BIOS. This helps reduce most problems with RAM. Right now you are probably running at 1.8v.
See:
GUIDE: Overclocking On P35-DS3L
on how to change RAM voltage. Those settings are for the P35-DS3L, but your BIOS should be very smiler to this.
If so you might want to take out one DIMM so it installs on 2GB. Vista used to have a problem with installing on some systems above 4GB.
Also the OCZ RAM you are using is 2.1v. So you need to increase the RAM voltage through the BIOS. This helps reduce most problems with RAM. Right now you are probably running at 1.8v.
See:
GUIDE: Overclocking On P35-DS3L
on how to change RAM voltage. Those settings are for the P35-DS3L, but your BIOS should be very smiler to this.
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