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Should I get the 260 GTX or 9800 GTX+?

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Hello everyone,

I am looking for a new video card to replace my old 1900xtx. My current setup is:

E6600 (3.2 GHz)
4 GB DDR2 800
ATI 1900XTX
Antec 550W PSU
Windows Vista Ultimate

The 260 GTX is exactly 100 dollars more than the 9800 GTX+. I am using this computer for gaming (usually at 1600 with most of the goodies on). Right now the 9800 is around 169(Cad). I want this upgrade to last me for atleast another year.

So which one should I get? Keep in mind, that both 4850 and 4870 are around 209, and 319 respectively here.

Thank you guys for the help.




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The 260 is alot better then the 9800GTX+, Is it worth the extra money? That depends on you. Look at the reviews and look at the games you play and see what card is best for you. Don't look at the 3DMark scores, but do look at the FPS in games, Some games are optimized for ATI and others nVidia.

I went from the X1900GT to the HD4850 and That was a huge jump in performance. The HD4870 beats the 260 in some games and the 260 is better in others.

Both the 260 and the HD4870 are great cards and will run most games at 1680X1050 just fine.

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Reply to 1HAPLO

Neither... since you mentioned that you would be playing with all the goodies on, you should actually contemplate between Radeon 4850 and the 4870, both of which blow away the Nvidia cards with AA on.

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Reply to mihirkula

Hello, thanks for the reply. I did go through a lot of reviews, the problem is the 100 dollar difference. The 9800 is pretty good at the resolution I am at, and it's pretty cheap compare to the 260. All I need is something that would last me for another year or so.

Reply to johncarter0000

mihirkula wrote :

Neither... since you mentioned that you would be playing with all the goodies on, you should actually contemplate between Radeon 4850 and the 4870, both of which blow away the Nvidia cards with AA on.


^That's a potential fire starter right there, but deep down I think I agree :D. Too bad he can't get decent prices on those cards... isn't Newegg going to start delivering to Canada pretty soon?

 

johncarter, what games do you play or plan on playing? What resolution? As long as you don't have a huge monitor I would recommend a 9800GTX+ for now and save the $100 for your next upgrade. You should still get perfectly playable FPS in the vast majority of current and near-future games with that card.

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Message edited by homerdog on 09-03-2008 at 06:12:52 PM
Reply to homerdog

well if it is between those two cards I'd say the 9800gtx+ if you only plan on keeping it a year though for us right now the 4850 is $30 less and a wee bit better.

Reply to jaysins

Personally, I'd suggest the 4850 for you. The latest ATI cards are typically a better bang for your buck compared to nVidia's latest offerings. I've always been an nVidia guy, but you just have to admit the truth when you see it. ;)

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Reply to jerreece

Hi johncarter

you can find the 4850 for 175.99 after 20$ MIR on canadacomputers + 6.99 for shipping and the 4870 for 269.99 after a MIR of 20$
4850 : http://www.canadacomputers.com/ind [...] 99.243.272
4870 : http://www.canadacomputers.com/ind [...] 99.243.272

You can use shopbot.ca to find some good prices...

Reply to sisley_111

The 260 GTX is over priced. Get the 4870 instead, with the 4870 you get a little more performance then the 260GTX and on certain titles the performance of the 4870 is equal to the 280GTX.

Reply to harrycat88

homerdog wrote :

^That's a potential fire starter right there, but deep down I think I agree :D. Too bad he can't get decent prices on those cards... isn't Newegg going to start delivering to Canada pretty soon?

johncarter, what games do you play or plan on playing? What resolution? As long as you don't have a huge monitor I would recommend a 9800GTX+ for now and save the $100 for your next upgrade. You should still get perfectly playable FPS in the vast majority of current and near-future games with that card.




do you work for nvidia stop trying to recommend a broken card

Reply to rangers

The 260 is expensive and I agree with most here.
If you'll willing to spend that kind of money, get the 4870.
But since your only playing at 1600x1200 or less (my guess), the 4850 should be plenty fast enough, even for Crysis.
If I needed a card now, I'll personally get the 4870-X2 so I can play/work at very high-res.

Reply to enewmen

sisley_111 wrote :

Hi johncarter

you can find the 4850 for 175.99 after 20$ MIR on canadacomputers + 6.99 for shipping and the 4870 for 269.99 after a MIR of 20$
4850 : http://www.canadacomputers.com/ind [...] 99.243.272
4870 : http://www.canadacomputers.com/ind [...] 99.243.272

You can use shopbot.ca to find some good prices...



That should make up your mind.

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Reply to mihirkula

How bout the GX2 (uh oh here come the flamers i think)

Some companies have dropped their prices to GTX 260 and 4870 standards but its the second fastest single card. If u plan on SLI/CF look somewhere else because the GX2 doesnt scale at all in quad.
It is hot but then again what new cards arent?

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Reply to Silverion77

I found a HD 4850 at NCIX for $180.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index [...] media Inc.

 

If you're in Ontario you don't pay PST on NCIX purchases, so that saves another $14 or whatever

 

Edit: I forgot to mention, that's a dual-slot HD 4850. The hot air gets directly out of the case through a vent, unlike single-slot cards where the case fans have to remove the heat.


Message edited by aevm on 09-03-2008 at 08:42:10 PM
Reply to aevm

rangers wrote :

do you work for nvidia stop trying to recommend a broken card


Huh? What card is broken?? :??:

Reply to homerdog

i would recommend the gtx260 any day. i had the 9800gtx but not the one with the + but its not much different.

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Reply to invisik

i'm also going to suggest a 4850. it's a great card, and the one that aevm posted is a great deal. i paid $10 more than that for a single slot cooler just 2 months ago.

Reply to Nik_I

its thunderman lol, old news

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Reply to Silverion77

The GX2 is generally cheaper or slightly more exp (depends where your from) than the cards listed, but it blows most of them out of the water:). It even beats out the 280 GTX.

And personally I don't think that Quad sli is as flawed as any1 says it is (ofc I said as flawed, you will have trouble here and there) but the games that are sli optimized don't fail you:).

But as for any other card that I would recommend, it would be the 4850, its the card with the best Price/Performance ratio.

If your patient wait for the 4850 X2, which will probably bet the second fastest single slot Video card on the market.

I say probably only because God knows what Nvidia might revise:D

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Reply to L1qu1d

Wait for the 1G version of the 4870.

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Reply to kitsilencer

I doubt the 1 G version of the 4870 is really going to help it much:).

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Reply to L1qu1d

9800GX2 blows every card listed out of the water in performance and its being frequently found for less than 300$


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130338 - $289.99, as L1qu1d said; it beats every card on that list - if you want only 1 video card and you don't want to spend 500$ on a 4870x2, then the 9800GX2 is the next best single card you can get.

Reply to ovaltineplease

Silverion77 wrote :

How bout the GX2 (uh oh here come the flamers i think)

 

Some companies have dropped their prices to GTX 260 and 4870 standards but its the second fastest single card. If u plan on SLI/CF look somewhere else because the GX2 doesnt scale at all in quad.
It is hot but then again what new cards arent?

 

The GX2 is a very good value when it's in the $230-260 range. The only issue is the PSU. You need a pretty damn beefy PSU to run the GX2 and a good case to hold it properly. What type of 550 watt Antec is that? If it's one of those Earthwatts, it'll run it fine. Neopower should be ok too. Basiq will not though.


Message edited by IndigoMoss on 09-04-2008 at 03:16:06 PM
Reply to IndigoMoss

Hello everyone, I am very grateful for the help. Right now I am left with 2 choices, 260 GTX, or 4780. In terms of performance, both are very similar (4780 seems to be a bit faster). So should I just go with the 4870?

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Message edited by johncarter0000 on 09-04-2008 at 03:32:07 PM
Reply to johncarter0000

Its no larger than the gt200s or the 4870 and it has the same power requirement as the gtx280, performs better overall at anything but 30" resolution, and its cheap. 290$ for an EVGA card at that performance level is a great bargain.

Basically, the only time i'd recommend any of the cards over the 9800GX2 would be if you had a 30" display or wanted to use more than 1 video card - the newer generation of GPUs tend to perform better at 2560*1600 and they /usually/ scale better in dual gpu configs than a 9800GX2 dual gpu array.

Power requirements are really not that bad, a PSU with 38 amps on the 12v and 550W or higher should be more than enough to have overclocking headroom. Corsair makes very affordable TX units in that requirement range.

Anyways, i'm not trying to pimp it or anything but the only real issue with the 9800GX2 which is out of the ordinary is that it has very high temps; 90 degrees at load isn't unusual. This is probably not going to affect most people as the cards are designed to run at this temperature, but it might matter to some who have cramped cases with poor cable management.

Reply to ovaltineplease

johncarter0000 wrote :

Hello every, I am very grateful for the help. Right now I am left with 2 choices, 260 GTX, or 4780. In terms of performance, both are very similar (4780 seems to be a bit faster). So should I just go with the 4870?



Out of those two, the 4870 is easily the better choice if you don't have an SLI board. It performs a tad bit better than the 260GTX with AA off, and performs a good deal better with it on. It also includes Native HDMI with 7.1 pass-through, AVIVO, and in my opinion, better default image quality settings.

Reply to IndigoMoss

homerdog wrote :

Oops, sorry... I didn't realize you were trolling :whistle:


Ranger is a Fanboy god bless his soul:)


Message edited by L1qu1d on 09-04-2008 at 06:22:35 PM
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johncarter0000 wrote :

Hello everyone, I am very grateful for the help. Right now I am left with 2 choices, 260 GTX, or 4780. In terms of performance, both are very similar (4780 seems to be a bit faster). So should I just go with the 4870?


The 4870 earns my recommendation basically for the reasons IndigoMoss gave + DX10.1 support, however trivial it may currently be. Of course the GTX260 has PhysX, but that seems to be about as important as DX10.1 at the moment and the 4870 has a much greater chance of supporting PhysX than the 260 has of supporting DX10.1.

Reply to homerdog

+1

BTW, the HD 4870 supports Havok instead of PhysX, and that makes it better for Diablo 3. Of course, that may not be important to you at all, but for me it's very important.

Reply to aevm

It doesn't actually support Havok yet AFAIK, but they have stated that they are working on it.

Reply to homerdog

Well, Diablo 3 will be out in 2010. I trust them to finish by then :) But yeah, my bad, I should have said "will support" and not "supports", sorry.

Reply to aevm

I doubt if the OP is looking for Physx or Havoc... since he's getting a card for only a year. anyhow 4870 gets my recommendation. Cheers.

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Reply to mihirkula

go for either of the cards mentioned, except for the 9800 GTX+ (wrong move) :D

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Reply to L1qu1d

Hello, I've actually had the chance to test both cards out (260 GTX, and 4870). I think overall 4870 is a little bit faster than 260, with the exception of Crysis. The GTX barely made it into my case, that thing is huge.

I am still deciding which one to keep.

Thanks for all the inputs

Reply to johncarter0000

as long as the 260 GTX is the cheaper, that would be the better choice:) but if they are on par the 4870 would be ur choice.

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got the Palit Sonic version of 4870... wonderful

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