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my 1st build, any thoughts on my picks

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August 11, 2008 2:06:17 AM
August 11, 2008 2:24:21 AM

first off, What is this desktop going to do? Gaming? Editing of videos? CAD? Office apps and internet?

Second. Get Vista...64 bit. Your OS won't see all of your four gig, if you go with 32 bit. It is true that vista and low amounts of ram is a bad combo, but with ram so cheap now... and this is good stuff... get vista 64 bit.

Nice PSU.


Stick with stock cooler or aim higher. That cooler is what you pair with a low-end OEM cpu just to have a cooler installed.

One hard drive? or two?
August 11, 2008 2:29:53 AM

mainly gaming, surfing, etc....no video editing or major multi media stuff. I will stick with the stock cooler then and upgrade later. only one hard drive.
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August 11, 2008 2:37:52 AM

I havent done the math yet to see where you are at budget wise... If you are gaming, then you might consider a 4870. It has a duel slot cooler which helps to get the heat out of the case and it is the superior model. If this is for gaming, that matters.

Also, that MoBo will is a CF mobo, but if you had two, they would both be at 8X and not 16X.

You going to OC this?
August 11, 2008 2:38:20 AM

Tell us the names of the parts, don't force people to click all those links.

$20 more buys you a better cooled RC-690 case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

Cooler: get a Xigmatek HDT-S1283

HD 4850, E8500, P5Q Pro, 750TX - all good choices.

HDD: check out the WD6400AAKS.

This RAM is a lot cheaper and will still do nicely.
Mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 5-4-4-12/1.8V $75 after rebate and shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146731
August 11, 2008 2:39:25 AM

Drop the Dominator RAM and get good DDR2-800 CAS4, it will cost half the price of dominator (~65-70$) so you could even get 8GB for the same price :p 
August 11, 2008 2:43:15 AM

On second thought, if you stick with an E8400 and don't buy an aftermarket cooler, you could use the savings to upgrade the MB to an X48 (e.g. P5E Deluxe) which would be better for Crossfire.

+1 for Vista Home Premium 64-bit. It would be a shame to have a HD 4850 and no access to DirectX 10.
August 11, 2008 2:50:26 AM

i do plan to OC. As for the mobo, why cant i stick with the current one. I thought i would eventually crossfire in the future. As for the pci x16 i guess when u do crossfire with the current mobo on my list you get the x8/x8 instead. if i am reading that right. I guess i really dont know what to do now. I am a noob when it comes to picking components. Any and all advice will be appreciated
August 11, 2008 2:55:36 AM

i also apologize for not listing the individual components. This was the norm on other forum sites. My first time posting here. heard alot of good things about toms hardware
August 11, 2008 1:44:38 PM

Here's an article that compares a P45 motherboard (similar to your P5Q Pro) to an X48 motherboard (similar to the P5E Deluxe or GA-X48-DS4). On a 22" monitor or less I think the P5Q Pro is good enough, at least with HD 4850 cards. With HD 4870 cards I expect the x8/x8 to hurt a little more than with HD 4850.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1472/intel_p45_vs_x48_crossfire_performance/index.html

This being mainly a gaming machine, I think your priorities should go this way:

1. HD 4870 rather than HD 4850 - this has direct effect of the games' fps, except for a few CPU-limited games
2. Vista 64-bit rather than XP 32-bit - it can use more RAM; DX10 makes some games look better; looks good on the resume
3. X48 rather than P45 - because 24" monitors will become cheaper and you might have one eventually
4. aftermarket cooler for the CPU

The aftermarket cooler is only #4 IMO because you can already overclock the E8500 or E8400 on the stock cooler.
Also, overclocking only benefits the CPU-limited games.
August 11, 2008 2:04:21 PM

aevm said:
Here's an article that compares a P45 motherboard (similar to your P5Q Pro) to an X48 motherboard (similar to the P5E Deluxe or GA-X48-DS4). On a 22" monitor or less I think the P5Q Pro is good enough, at least with HD 4850 cards. With HD 4870 cards I expect the x8/x8 to hurt a little more than with HD 4850.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1472/intel_p45_vs_x48_crossfire_performance/index.html

This being mainly a gaming machine, I think your priorities should go this way:

1. HD 4870 rather than HD 4850 - this has direct effect of the games' fps, except for a few CPU-limited games
2. Vista 64-bit rather than XP 32-bit - it can use more RAM; DX10 makes some games look better; looks good on the resume
3. X48 rather than P45 - because 24" monitors will become cheaper and you might have one eventually
4. aftermarket cooler for the CPU

The aftermarket cooler is only #4 IMO because you can already overclock the E8500 or E8400 on the stock cooler.
Also, overclocking only benefits the CPU-limited games.


I second that. All of it. Another point worth mentioning is getting the heat out of the case with the 4870... being a duel slot cooler.

There is another option here, also. Phenom quad... Upper end Phenoms OC alright and aren't that much slower then Intel in terms of operations per clock. You might be able to save some money going that rout because it opens up a lot of less expensive board choices. It also has 4 cores, which isn't important now for games, but may be an issue to consider for the future.
August 11, 2008 2:11:27 PM

Yeah... For example a Phenom 9850 and a Q6600 cost about the same and each of them beats the other in some benchmarks. A K9A2 Platinum ($150) can do 16x/16x Crossfire, just like a $225 P5E Deluxe.
August 11, 2008 10:50:11 PM

thanks for all your suggestions, i will make the necessary changes and go from there, thanks everyone for all your help
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