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CPU Bottleneck? Possible Upgrades?

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a b B Homebuilt system
August 11, 2008 6:54:16 AM

Hello!

Recently my video card decided it wanted to stop working properly and is no longer under warranty, so I've got to replace it.

My current picks are the Radeon 38*0 or 4850, however it would be plugging into an older system.

ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 2.0GHz Socket 939 Dual-Core Processor Model ADA3800BVBOX
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB)DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWINX2048-3200C2PT

Have it all stuffed into a CM Stacker (Old model STC-01 or some such), with a OCZ GamerXStream 850w(replaced an old powerstream that failed in warranty). All plugged into a 20 inch wide screen (native 1680x1050 I think). The PC sees a lot of use, from general word processing/excel to massive gaming and I often watch dvd's and other videos on it.

Currently the only thing that requires a replacement is the video card, which no longer works. However my concern is given how dated my processor is that it is going to be a huge bottleneck for any card I can get.

So my question is, should I buy a even cheaper card (I do have a very limited budget) and upgrade my mobo and cpu? If so I'd need a mobo that works with my current ram, or sufficiently cheap ram to replace it.

If so could anyone make some recommendations, my target would be to stay under $200 or so, going much past that would be stretching things ($300 an absolute ceiling).

My last question is in regards to heat. Currently my PSU is on the bottom of my case, and I'm worried how that will affect my GPU cooling (or t he GPU affecting the PSU cooling). Should I try and wrestle my PSU into the proper slot or find some other solution, or just not worry about it?

Thanks a head of time.
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
August 11, 2008 7:46:37 AM

I boxed myself into the very same corner not long ago. I ended up doing a full upgrade before I was satisfied.

Get a 4850 for now. Yes your CPU will limit performance somewhat, but you'll still get a good boost.

Don't try to replace any other parts. You can't even buy a 939 CPU anymore except the 4000 and an Opteron or two. You need a full new MB/CPU/RAM and that will be about $225 more, today. That's an upgrade with a bit of room to upgrade more later:

RAM $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MB $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...

Those are the lowest budget parts I could recommend, and really if I were upgrading I would get a Q6600 or E8400 minimum and 4 gigs of RAM. (Well, I did actually)
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 11, 2008 2:35:52 PM

Yea, my system pre-part failure resulted from a similar deal, wanted to upgrade one part, which lead to upgrading everything else at the same time. This time it isn't so much an upgrade as it is getting the thing working again, just that it is so old most things are now an upgrade.

You hit the nail on the head, the 939 slot doesn't have any options upgrade wise meaning I'd have to go mobo/cpu combo at least, possibly ram as well.

That is really what I was afraid of, although dropping the video card from4850 to say a 3850 or 3870 could save $50-$75 which could be invested in slightly less thrifty mobo/cpu/ram combo (Assuming my current ram isn't compatible).

Should add I'm only running XP, not Vista.

If anyone else has other suggestions I'm all ears.
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August 11, 2008 3:04:07 PM

Proximon is dead on. He listed good choices. With the Intel socket change comming there is no reason to spend a bunch on a cpu and mobo.

Get the 4850. The 3870 is a good card, i have 2, but the 4850 doubles the 3870 and handle AA much better. Once your ready to replace the other parts, you will have a smokin machine.

See my sig. I have a E7200 OC'd to 3.8G. The E7200 is a little monster. I have no complaints about it. Best budget/midrange cpu out.

no real need for vista yet.
a b B Homebuilt system
August 11, 2008 3:31:46 PM

Yeah, get the HD 4850.

Then save your money for a new MB+CPU+RAM and maybe a second HD 4850. For example you can get a K9A2 Platinum/Phenom 9850 quad/4GB DDR2-800 for about $400 now, and they'll probably be cheaper in 6 months.

August 12, 2008 3:15:02 PM

Considering your current equipment, I'm going to guess that you're not very interested in OCing. If that is the case, consider:

ECS A780GM-A = $60 (after MIR)
Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Bisbane 2.8GHz = $87
OCZ Platinum Rev2 2x1GB DDR2 800 = $20 (after MIR)
ASUS HD3850 = $60 (after MIR)

That's less than $230. If you want to just go out and get an HD4850 now for $150 (instead of the HD3850), and just let it be bottlenecked until you can afford the rest of these parts you'll probably be happier in the long run. And for another $40 you could get a 2x2GB DDR2 800 kit instead of the 2x1GB. You won't actually use all 4gigs, but you'll use most of it and for $40 more it'd be something to consider.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 14, 2008 12:05:18 AM

Just wanted to say thanks real quick to everyone for their input, I think for the moment I'm going with the 4850. From what I recall all the parts I have currently are decent overclocking parts, but I would have to invest in a new non-stock hs/fan for my cpu at least, and I may go that route.

So two additional questions:

MSI as a brand. I'm drawn to the new MSI version of the 4850 and am curious about their track record. I've always bought the made by ATI cards in the past, however that isn't an option this go around it seems. are MSI made cards reliable?

Slot 939 X2 coolers, any recommendations? I haven't even started the research on this yet.
August 14, 2008 3:24:27 PM

AS5 may be the standard, but Tuniq TX-2 is just as good and it's non-conductive (good if you're messy) and doesn't have a cure time (good if you're impatient).
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