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September 5, 2008 12:55:46 AM

hello!!

well that's my PC:

Asus Rampage Formula X48
E8400 @ 3.8ghz 24/7 1.23Vcore
2x1gb supertalent @ 1000mhz
320gb western digital
Istar USA PSU 750W tcPD1
8800gt 512mb


Well, i want to buy a new graphic card for my computer. my res is 1680x1050.

I live in argentina, so, the prices are alot Expensiver than in the united states.


i can buy at the same price an PNY 9800GX2 Overclocked at 675Mhz /memory clock at 2100Mhz, or a Sapphire 4850 Crossfire.

obviously im going to put 2 gb more to my computer.



Which performs better? are at about the same price.

Help!

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September 5, 2008 2:00:09 AM

Which games are you going to be playing? They are very close in performance, so it really just comes down to games. What are the prices?
September 5, 2008 2:09:05 AM

the prices are about the same, may be some dollars cheaper the 9800gx2.


i play a lot of games, all types of games, sports, FPS, war, strategic, cars, everything
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September 5, 2008 2:10:01 AM

Either go the 4850's or get a 4870 and save for another, if you so desire.
September 5, 2008 2:27:52 AM

themyrmidon said:
Either go the 4850's or get a 4870 and save for another, if you so desire.

yeah, probably crossfire 4850's
a b U Graphics card
September 5, 2008 2:31:36 AM

i personally would wait for the next series of cards. ur 8800gts should play most games high on that resolution, but if u must i would recommend the 4870.
September 5, 2008 3:14:45 AM

If theya re both the same price, or slightly above the 4850 SLI should be the better choice, but if the the 4850 in sli exceeds 50$ I'd say that the 4850 doesn't beat the GX2 by enough to justify the money:) 
a b U Graphics card
September 5, 2008 3:23:24 AM

En 1680x1050, la 4870 debería bastar y sobrar, sxulocktor.

Si llegases a cambiar el monitor por uno más grande, agregas otra 4870 y voilá :p 

Esop!
September 5, 2008 5:06:23 AM

I think english would help alot more here:) 
a b U Graphics card
September 5, 2008 5:27:36 AM

Si!

Lol!

I would stick with the current card you have for now and wait for the lawsuit to settle and get a better price on either card of your choice. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
September 5, 2008 5:29:39 AM

well the OP is from Argentina.....
September 5, 2008 5:31:13 AM

well the 4870 will definitely help in all the aspects.
September 5, 2008 5:54:25 AM

cliffro said:
well the OP is from Argentina.....


That may be the case, but since its a english forum, most users will be speaking english, and if some1 speaks another language how can any1 contradict wat the user said?

You can understand he said 4870 here, but if he would've made it a little longer, I think I would be lost:)  No1 has anything against it, just how can we argue what we don't understand:D 

BTW:

You guys are suggesting the 4870 blindly, did you ask him how much it costs there? he gaves us 2 choices in his price range, 2 4850 HD will smoke 1 4870 just like 1 GX2 will smoke (in most cases) the 4870.

Anyways just putting it out there:)  the 4870 is a good card but when it comes to these choices:

4850 CF > GX > 4870
September 5, 2008 8:48:00 AM

Just buy the XFX GTX 260 xxx edition and you will remember me.
I have this card about 1.5 month and i am overwhelmed by the performance of GTX 260 xxx. All new games in 1650 x 1080 between 30-55 fps!
It's little more expensive from all the others GTX 260, but the benefits you gain are 12% more power from them and about 20-22% faster from the 4870's.

enjoy smooth play...
a b U Graphics card
September 5, 2008 12:33:39 PM

L1qu1d said:
That may be the case, but since its a english forum, most users will be speaking english, and if some1 speaks another language how can any1 contradict wat the user said?

You can understand he said 4870 here, but if he would've made it a little longer, I think I would be lost:)  No1 has anything against it, just how can we argue what we don't understand:D 

BTW:

You guys are suggesting the 4870 blindly, did you ask him how much it costs there? he gaves us 2 choices in his price range, 2 4850 HD will smoke 1 4870 just like 1 GX2 will smoke (in most cases) the 4870.

Anyways just putting it out there:)  the 4870 is a good card but when it comes to these choices:

4850 CF > GX > 4870


Hahaha, just wanted to give you guys a hard time, lol.

And on Argentina should be close to our price range, expensive that is, :sob:

Anyway, at least on Chile, the GX2 is sold out everywhere (was at the price range of the GTX260) and the 9800GTX+ is on the price range of the 4850. The 4870 is a little cheaper than the GTX260 (~USD$10) and sticks way below the GTX280 (~USD$195 diff, ~USD$595 price tag), wich btw, is closer to the 4870X2 (~USD$710 price tag :mega-sob: ) than the 4870 cause they don't sell and keep the initial price tag (the GTX's that is), lol. The 4870X2 is selling a lot though, kinda weird prices/market, lol.

Esop!

EDIT: Spell and grammar XD
September 5, 2008 1:32:18 PM

Aristhewargod13 said:
Just buy the XFX GTX 260 xxx edition and you will remember me.
I have this card about 1.5 month and i am overwhelmed by the performance of GTX 260 xxx. All new games in 1650 x 1080 between 30-55 fps!
It's little more expensive from all the others GTX 260, but the benefits you gain are 12% more power from them and about 20-22% faster from the 4870's.

enjoy smooth play...


So your saying, that the 260 GTX, which exchanges blows with the 4870 (they are about the same, but the 4870 wins most of the times), is faster than regular 260 GTXs by 12%, and its faster by20-22% than the 4870? Would it be 12% faster than the 4870 (or in some cases on par with 4870) ??

Honestly where do you get these numbers????

And second of all why would you suggest paying for an overclock that can be easily achieve with the extra cash in your pocket.

What you posted was opinion not fact:) 
September 5, 2008 6:51:35 PM

Yuka said:
En 1680x1050, la 4870 debería bastar y sobrar, sxulocktor.

Si llegases a cambiar el monitor por uno más grande, agregas otra 4870 y voilá :p 

Esop!


Te agradezco por haber contestado en español, ya que se me hace mas facil leer, por que aun estoy aprendiendo ingles (tengo 15 años). Un saludo!


To all the other people:


i have searched in more shops and the best prices i can get (and buy) are these:

Sapphire 4850 Normal cooler: ~240 U$D (each one, in these case i will be 2, so 480 U$D the Crossfire)

Sapphire 4850 TOXIC ~260 U$D (so the CrossFire about 500 U$D)

9800GX2 PNY overclocked edition: ~ 380 / 400 U$D

sapphire / His 4870 ~ 380 U$S (in this case it will be only 1 card, but in the future, when the prices Fall, i can buy another one)


Which of this one is the best option to buy? I want to play most of the games with the highest filters AA and AF)


PD: in case that you choose the 4870 and the 4870 extra in the future, Will be my PSU enough for the 4870 CF?? its an ISTAR 750W (from Channel Well technology, its the same engine that the Toughpowers and the Corsair 750W). It only have 2 PCI-e 6 pin plugs


THX!
September 5, 2008 7:25:18 PM

isnt he just gettin one 4850 or 4870... not in cf....

therefore, wouldn't the gx2 be faster over all?
September 5, 2008 7:32:35 PM

yes it would but, an ATI card would be better since it has the possibilty for CrossX.

But CrossX (4850) doesn't justify too much of an increase that would lead ppl to pay 50$+ more or so:) 
September 5, 2008 7:57:01 PM

If your power supply only has 2x6pin pcie plugs, it will be enough for one 4870, but not 2 in crossfire. You could always upgrade the power supply later when you buy a second 4870, though.
September 5, 2008 8:39:52 PM

but there are adapters from MOLEX to PCI-e...
September 5, 2008 9:04:59 PM

Quote:
but there are adapters from MOLEX to PCI-e...

You're right. I forgot about those.
a b U Graphics card
September 5, 2008 9:24:17 PM

sxulocktor said:
Te agradezco por haber contestado en español, ya que se me hace mas facil leer, por que aun estoy aprendiendo ingles (tengo 15 años). Un saludo!


No hay problema :) 

sxulocktor said:
To all the other people:


i have searched in more shops and the best prices i can get (and buy) are these:

Sapphire 4850 Normal cooler: ~240 U$D (each one, in these case i will be 2, so 480 U$D the Crossfire)

Sapphire 4850 TOXIC ~260 U$D (so the CrossFire about 500 U$D)

9800GX2 PNY overclocked edition: ~ 380 / 400 U$D

sapphire / His 4870 ~ 380 U$S (in this case it will be only 1 card, but in the future, when the prices Fall, i can buy another one)


Which of this one is the best option to buy? I want to play most of the games with the highest filters AA and AF)


PD: in case that you choose the 4870 and the 4870 extra in the future, Will be my PSU enough for the 4870 CF?? its an ISTAR 750W (from Channel Well technology, its the same engine that the Toughpowers and the Corsair 750W). It only have 2 PCI-e 6 pin plugs


THX!


I'll answer this in english, it's good practice indeed :p 

On the ATi page there a few PSUs that can handle 2 4870 below 900W. I did some research and they have 70A combined on their 12V ramps. I couldn't find your PSU, so check on it's side for the 12V ramps (12V1, 12V2, etc).

I have a TT ToughPower 850 and i want to ask my self this:

On the specs says:

12v1: 1-18A (min-max)
12v2: 1-30A
12v3: 1-18A
12v4: 1-30A

And has a "combined" power of 62A with 99% efficiency on the 12V ramps. Now, we can combine different Amperage per rail to get 62A combined: 12V1@1+12V2@30+12V3@11+12V4@20 (31+31), and so on...

Now, my question: Does that mean that as long as i don't stress the 12v1 and 3 i can go for 4870 CF? All certified PSUs that can handle that are with at least 20A per ramp.

Esop!
September 5, 2008 9:53:16 PM

Power consumption:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=22

The 750w psu is definitely enough for single 9800gx2 or dual 4850, likely dual 4870 too.

At the prices you cited, 9800gx2 is the best choice. The performance gain in 4850 cf is not nearly big enough to justify the $100 extra. This is especially true since the price you listed is for the factory overclocked edition of 9800gx2 (600mhz to 675mhz), which is 12.5% faster than stock card, which the benchmarks are done on. Add 12.5% into the benchmark, and 9800gx2 averages faster than 4850 cf, although by an amount too tiny to notice in real gameplay.
September 5, 2008 10:01:29 PM

dagger said:
Power consumption:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=22

The 750w psu is definitely enough for single 9800gx2 or dual 4850, likely dual 4870 too.

At the prices you cited, 9800gx2 is the best choice. The performance gain in 4850 cf is not nearly big enough to justify the $100 extra. This is especially true since the price you listed is for the factory overclocked edition of 9800gx2 (600mhz to 675mhz), which is 12.5% faster than stock card, which the benchmarks are done on. Add 12.5% into the benchmark, and 9800gx2 averages faster than 4850 cf, although by an amount too tiny to notice in real gameplay.



ohh, i just saw this review that shows that the 9800gx2 is better in most cases than the 4870x2, is it true?

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_4870x2...
September 5, 2008 10:23:11 PM

sxulocktor said:
ohh, i just saw this review that shows that the 9800gx2 is better in most cases than the 4870x2, is it true?

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_4870x2...


Lol, not true. They're probably using an old driver that does not scale well with 4870x2.

And that psu is enough.
September 5, 2008 11:15:04 PM

no its true, but only in Crysis lol
September 5, 2008 11:26:49 PM

soooo, whic should i buy?


Sapphire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire 4850 Normal cooler: ~240 U$D (each one, in these case i will be 2, so 480 U$D the Crossfire)

Sapphire 4850 TOXIC ~260 U$D (so the CrossFire about 500 U$D)

9800GX2 PNY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNY_Technologies overclocked edition: ~ 380 / 400 U$D

sapphire / His 4870 ~ 380 U$S (in this case it will be only 1 card, but in the future, when the prices Fall, i can buy another one)



Think about the PSU, because im not going to change it. If CF 4870 isnt "compatible" with the psu, well, i will discard it, just say me!
September 5, 2008 11:37:44 PM

sxulocktor said:
soooo, whic should i buy?


Sapphire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire 4850 Normal cooler: ~240 U$D (each one, in these case i will be 2, so 480 U$D the Crossfire)

Sapphire 4850 TOXIC ~260 U$D (so the CrossFire about 500 U$D)

9800GX2 PNY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNY_Technologies overclocked edition: ~ 380 / 400 U$D

sapphire / His 4870 ~ 380 U$S (in this case it will be only 1 card, but in the future, when the prices Fall, i can buy another one)



Think about the PSU, because im not going to change it. If CF 4870 isnt "compatible" with the psu, well, i will discard it, just say me!


The 9800gx2 is most cost effective. The psu should be able to easily support it (or the 4850 cf setup). 4870 cf is cutting a bit close. If the psu is poor quality and unstable at high load, it might possibly cause problems. Still, most likely, it should work. If not, you can always get an expansion.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 5, 2008 11:55:02 PM

See this:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/590/13

also this:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14144&page=9

then the next time you will answer to me in forum...just thing what you write!

The fact is that XFX GTX 260 xxx edition is the fastest card from any other GTX 260 and 4870.
I dont care if its about 30€ more expensive from the normal GTX 260!
XFX GTX 260 > GTX 260 > 4870

Thats the story. If some gamers dont get it, thats your problem!
September 6, 2008 12:28:40 AM

4870 and 260 GTX exchange blows, most of the time the 4870 winning. The 260 GTX is just an oced 260 GTX, you could save 30 and get stock and oc it, or you could get a 4870 and oc that.

Anyways to OP, the GX2 smokes any of the above mentioned cards, and it can easily OC to match 2 9800 GTXs in sli:) .

Either way I'd go for the GX2, its got the best Price/Performance ratio:) 
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 1:11:48 AM

Your PSU has 18A fixed per ramp, and according to my calculations, the CF'ed 4870's under full load, according to dagger's link, suck 17.6A each:

422W /2 -> 211W per 4870 /12V -> 17.6A per 4870 (+/-10% error in those benchmarks)

That's gonna be TOO close IMO, so it would prolly leave you with no OC gap to play with.

The 9800GX2 sounds good too, i totally forgot about it (not, lol). I'll be fanboi-ish on this, but i don't trust that card. I have no solid argument besides the "defective chips" thingy.

Traducción resumida (translated summary): Tu fuente de poder anda MUY justa con las 4870 en CF, así que piénsalo bien. La 9800GX2 es bien buena en los benchmarks, pero yo no la compraría por el asunto de los chips defectuosos de nVidia :p 

Esop!
September 6, 2008 1:14:32 AM

I haven't had any problems:)  but you do need vista for Quad sli :p 
September 6, 2008 1:22:40 AM

ok, its TOO close for the 4870 CF. im not going to risking about this.

so, now i dont know if going for the 9800gx2 or the 4850 CrossFire.... And i didnt know that the G92 chips had the issue you have mentioned :s


ohh, and im going to use VISTA x64 (for the 4 gigs of ram) so, i have read that the CCC has very important issues whith Crossfire and Vista x64.... is that true or only a bad publicity about Vista?
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 3:31:53 AM

dagger said:
The 9800gx2 is most cost effective. The psu should be able to easily support it (or the 4850 cf setup). 4870 cf is cutting a bit close. If the psu is poor quality and unstable at high load, it might possibly cause problems. Still, most likely, it should work. If not, you can always get an expansion.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Dagger,

I had a bad experience with one of these expansion bays. I picked up a 450 watt unit and installed it with a 550 watt psu that I was trying to set up SLI with two 8800 GTX ANS3 cards. After setting this up, I booted into windows and everything seemed fine for about 10-15 minutes then suddenly windows popped up a message telling me that it was detected that my video cards werent getting enough power and was automatically being clocked down to avoid damage to my cards. I called EVGA and they told me there was no substitute for a good psu and suggested I get a new one. They proceeded to tell me that they get a lot of calls on that kind of setup and it rarely works.

I dont know if they work in general but it seems if they did there would be more of these in places like Microcenter and Frys Electronics.

It could be that I was one of the few unlucky candidates for a clunker add on juice box. Who knows...
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 12:20:46 PM

sxulocktor said:
ok, its TOO close for the 4870 CF. im not going to risking about this.

so, now i dont know if going for the 9800gx2 or the 4850 CrossFire.... And i didnt know that the G92 chips had the issue you have mentioned :s


ohh, and im going to use VISTA x64 (for the 4 gigs of ram) so, i have read that the CCC has very important issues whith Crossfire and Vista x64.... is that true or only a bad publicity about Vista?


Get 1 4850 on the meantime and get the second one later on. Also stay on XP 32bits and wait for a fix to that issue on C8.9 (Catalyst).

Or just get the 9800GX2. In all fairness, it's just a matter of bad luck that your card fries. Summarized, the defective chips thing was this: nVidia used crappy materials, so when the chip heats up a lot for long periods of time, it breaks up. If the 9800GX2 has a good cooler for their chips, shouldn't have much risk. But still, i don't trust that >_<

Esop!
September 6, 2008 1:41:59 PM

Yuka said:
Get 1 4850 on the meantime and get the second one later on. Also stay on XP 32bits and wait for a fix to that issue on C8.9 (Catalyst).

Or just get the 9800GX2. In all fairness, it's just a matter of bad luck that your card fries. Summarized, the defective chips thing was this: nVidia used crappy materials, so when the chip heats up a lot for long periods of time, it breaks up. If the 9800GX2 has a good cooler for their chips, shouldn't have much risk. But still, i don't trust that >_<

Esop!


You have to keep in mind, this is just an unconfirmed rumor made by The Inquirer, an infamous tabloid.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/12/...

The fact is, it just doesn't match reality. G92 based cards (8800gs/9600gso/8800gt/9800gt/8800gts/9800gtx/9800gx2) have been insanely popular and broke every sales record. There have been a lot of them out there, and since those are not new, they've been used widely for a long time. Wouldn't people start having problems right about now? But instead, the return rate for g92 based cards are about the same as others. If people's cards break, why would they not use the warranty? I call BS on this rumor. :p 
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 2:06:35 PM

dagger said:
You have to keep in mind, this is just an unconfirmed rumor made by The Inquirer, an infamous tabloid.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/12/...

The fact is, it just doesn't match reality. G92 based cards (8800gs/9600gso/8800gt/9800gt/8800gts/9800gtx/9800gx2) have been insanely popular and broke every sales record. There have been a lot of them out there, and since those are not new, they've been used widely for a long time. Wouldn't people start having problems right about now? But instead, the return rate for g92 based cards are about the same as others. If people's cards break, why would they not use the warranty? I call BS on this rumor. :p 


Maybe it is true, but video cards have very good cooloing compared to other components.

Oh! I just remembered!

I'll give you my own experience on this: I have an nF4 SLi chipset (i like it a lot) and works flawlessly on Windows and Linux. If you all remember, it's a North Bridge + South Bridge solution that nVidia came up in that time. Anyway, my DFI didn't follow the ref. board and made a few changes on it. It turn out that the nF4 stays behind the PCIe slot (not between the proc and PCIe, on the right side of the board) and when u put a long video card, the chipset gets covered (my X1800XL actually hides it, lol) and it fried the factory cooler vent due to the heat produced by the X1800XL and it's own heat. The thing is, i didn't noticed this till i made a clean up inside my case (it doesn't have a window, lol) and i saw the thing, literally, fried. The nF4 didn't die a horrible death, it's still alive and running, even OCed, lol. But that proves that it wasn't defective IMO. If it were one of those defective chips, it would most definetly have fried up right when the cooler vent fried. I put an IcerQ on it and it's running nice and cool. So, if the GX2 cooling solution fails, the card's chip fails. The question is: how long will it pass till it fails? Will you have the chance to act before it does?

Damn, that was a long story to tell, lol. But it explains why I rather not take any risks, more over when here, warranties suck big time XD

Esop!

EDIT: Added a detail :p 
September 6, 2008 2:14:19 PM

Yuka said:
Maybe it is true, but video cards have very good cooloing compared to other components.

Oh! I just remembered!

I'll give you my own experience on this: I have an nF4 SLi chipset (i like it a lot) and works flawlessly on Windows and Linux. If you all remember, it's a North Bridge + South Bridge solution that nVidia came up in that time. Anyway, my DFI didn't follow the ref. board and made a few changes on it. It turn out that the nF4 stays behind the PCIe slot (not between the proc and PCIe, on the right side of the board) and when u put a long video card, the chipset gets covered (my X1800XL actually hides it, lol) and it fried the factory cooler vent due to the heat produced by the X1800XL and it's own heat. The thing is, i didn't noticed this till i made a clean up inside my case (it doesn't have a window, lol) and i saw the thing, literally, fried. The nF4 didn't die a horrible death, it's still alive and running, even OCed, lol. But that proves that it wasn't defective IMO. If it were one of those defective chips, it would most definetly have fried up right when the cooler vent fried. I put an IcerQ on it and it's running nice and cool. So, if the GX2 cooling solution fails, the card's chip fails. The question is: how long will it pass till it fails? Will you have the chance to act before it does?

Damn, that was a long story to tell, lol. But it explains why I rather not take any risks, more over when here, warranties suck big time XD

Esop!

EDIT: Added a detail :p 


I haven't heard of anyone complaining that 9800gx2's cooling failed. Besides, the gx2's heat levels is not good, it's really not that bad either.
http://www.techspot.com/review/91-asus-geforce-9800-gx2...
People have been using the 97C 4870, and it runs just fine. :p 
http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870...
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 2:21:04 PM

dagger said:
I haven't heard of anyone complaining that 9800gx2's cooling failed. Besides, the gx2's heat levels is not good, it's really not that bad either.
http://www.techspot.com/review/91-asus-geforce-9800-gx2...
People have been using the 97C 4870, and it runs just fine. :p 
http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870...


Yep, but the 4870 is based on different silicon so it can handle bigger temps. I'm not very informed though, so i can't give more details than that xP

Anyway, gaming wise, the GX2 kicks serious butt, i won't argue that under any light, that's a cold hard fact, BUT it has 2 cons (gaming wise): 1.- I doesn't scale as good as the price range competitors scale on SLi/CF 2.- Power requirements, thus heat.

Leaving all that defective mambo jamboo on the side, if the OP wants to SLI/CF on the mid term, the GX2 falls behind. Also, he has a X48, lol.

Esop!
September 6, 2008 2:30:55 PM

Yuka said:
Yep, but the 4870 is based on different silicon so it can handle bigger temps. I'm not very informed though, so i can't give more details than that xP

Anyway, gaming wise, the GX2 kicks serious butt, i won't argue that under any light, that's a cold hard fact, BUT it has 2 cons (gaming wise): 1.- I doesn't scale as good as the price range competitors scale on SLi/CF 2.- Power requirements, thus heat.

Leaving all that defective mambo jamboo on the side, if the OP wants to SLI/CF on the mid term, the GX2 falls behind. Also, he has a X48, lol.

Esop!


Not quite falling behind, despite horrible quad scaling, 9800gx2 quad sli still edges out 4870 cf/4870x2 overall. See benchmarks, 9800gx2 quad sli still get higher fps at both 1920x1200 and 2560x1600 than 4870 in all except one test (Half Life 2). The difference is tiny, but it's there.

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-...
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-...
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-...
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-...
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-...

It's just a matter of raw power. The second card adds little extra performance, but the performance gap of a single 9800gx2 is already so large that it doesn't take much extra to stay ahead.

That said, personally, I'd never use quad sli, it's twice the money for not much gain.
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 2:48:42 PM

I'd add this page too :p 

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-...

And yes, for what i see, almost all tests were CPU bottlenecked in 1900x1200 ish in CF or SLi and it shows how much the Catalyst drivers suck. That should change though... Yeah, it should... lol.

Esop!
September 6, 2008 3:10:43 PM

Wow!, it's so divided! 4870 for now and Cf in future or 9800gx2 ?! i never thought that it would be so extremley difficult to me!


Ohh, im NOT going to put another 9800gx2, because my mobo is X48, so if i buy a 9800gx2, it will be ONLY 1!
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 3:16:13 PM

I'll add 1 more thing that might come into play that every one hates to mention, lol.

ATi has DX10.1 and nVidia doesn't. Games with DX10.1 support *might* pop up in Q1 2009 and then DX11 will come, supporting most of ATi's features and not nVidia's due to lack of DX10.1 :p 

All those benchies run in DX10 (some in DX9 even) and don't show the "true" benefits of a DX10.1 card.

Esop!
September 6, 2008 3:38:19 PM

but what about physics ??? i won't get physics acceleration if i buy an ATI card, isn't it?
a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2008 3:50:52 PM

Uhm... Google for games that actually use it, then u'll have a clear picture of what u want (it also is for DX10.1 games).

Esop!
September 7, 2008 12:44:55 AM

sxulocktor said:
but what about physics ??? i won't get physics acceleration if i buy an ATI card, isn't it?


List of Physx games.
http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_physxgames_home.html
While the list is large, most of those are obscure games that you probably haven't even heard of. Only noteworthy ones are Gears of War, Mass Effect, and UT3. Besides, it's not like you can't play without the physx effects.

Yuka said:
Uhm... Google for games that actually use it, then u'll have a clear picture of what u want (it also is for DX10.1 games).

Esop!


Dx10.1 is even less useful. Assassin's Creed supports it via a patch (retail version does not use, you have to download the update). Nothing else use it at the moment, nor are there any dx10.1 games planned other than 3 obscure console ports. Studios of most blockbusters like Crysis Warhead and Starcraft II have gone out of their way to specifically note that they will not support dx10.1.
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