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a c 169 U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 4:47:22 PM

Hello all hope u are fine :) 
Well i sold my XPS M1730 and i am going to buy a new desktop :D 
In here both HD 4870X2 and GTX 280 cost the same,so shall i go for HD 4870X2? i play @ 1680x1050 resolution,i know that HD 4870X2 is the best card around but i have 2 problems with it for taking it over GTX 280.

1_MultiGPU tech doesnt always work well
2_The heat and noise that it provides is more than GTX 280 right?

so plz help guys
September 8, 2008 4:52:19 PM

seems a little overkill for your resolution. but what are the rest of your specs?

budget?
pc specs (cpu?, mobo?, ram?, os? 64 or 32 bit?)?
what do you use it for? if gaming what kind of games?
plans as far as upgrading (how long do you typically wait to upgrade or get a new one, plans to crossifre/sli in the future?)?
Do you over clock?

i know a s-ton of questions but if you want good recommendations then we need all the scoop.

also your signature says 1920x1200 resolution, did you sell that?
September 8, 2008 5:14:30 PM

at that resolution, an HD4850 would suffice...
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September 8, 2008 5:26:21 PM

A 4850 won't play Crisis all on very high at that res.

I too don't like multiGPU tech since it performs inconsistently, but if the GTX280 costs the same with th X2, I'd go for the X2.
September 8, 2008 5:34:12 PM

Screw Crysis !!!!

I just "stole" a 3870 for 100€ and i play at that resolution precisely. I will return my findings later on.

But hey go for a 4870 it should be enough.

I hate l33t kiddies screaming about crysis ! Screw Crysis ! it is a short game, with short gameplay. No it can't play crysis !! i dont want even to play it anymore !!! Multi-player sucks in crysis btw !!!

End rant.
September 8, 2008 5:53:55 PM

^i feel ya radnor...

BTW, I get mid/high 20's when playing crysis on high on my 24" monitor...on my 19", it runs awesome...

September 8, 2008 6:04:52 PM

That res (1680X1050) is a perfect 22 monitor and 4850 is the perfect GPU for them. 4870, 260, 280 are nice but they are overkill and more $$$ ($150) than you need.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 6:35:50 PM

I have a 8800GTX but i gave it to my sister so i need a new GPU,also HD 4850 wont be a big boost for me.
Also i like Crysis unlike many although its short and the story isnt perfect,so i will get either GTX 280 or HD 4870X2 but which one and plz talk about my 2 reasons about choosing GTX 280 over HD 4870X2.

My specs will be a Q9450/Q9550,4GB RAM,ASUS P5Q-E
September 8, 2008 6:40:19 PM

Grab two 8800 GT in SLI mode and you are golden, forget those new generation cards they are way overpriced, just look at the Toms recent article that ranks them. 8800 GT SLI rocks and you can get two for like 200 total.
September 8, 2008 6:41:54 PM

SLI works great on the 8 series as a good CPU ~3 ghz will not bottle neck them
September 8, 2008 6:44:26 PM

I have the 9450 overclocked to 2.93 Ghz with 2 * 8800 gt oc2 SLI and I am running crysis on 1900*1080 resolution with High settings and it is very playable. At 1600*1050 I am able to rock very high settings without a problem
September 8, 2008 7:00:34 PM

if he has a p5q then he can't sli. and since he has it narrowed down to 2. it appears he wants pros and cons between those two.

gtx is $100 - $120 cheaper. it is the closest to the x2 in crysis escpecially close using xp with dx9. On vista using dx10 and the more you bump AA the more the x2 shines. It is going to win at your resolution at most stuff. in fact it even beats 2x gtx280 at a lot of stuff.

now that being said at that resolution is it over kill. one 4870, gtx 260, i think the 4850x2 is out soon, etc will be able to handle that res pretty good.

but if you are narrowing it down to those two and you want the best performance then the x2 is the way to go.
September 8, 2008 7:02:27 PM

oh another thing. 4870x2 does have the exhaust so some of the heat is sent out of your case. this helps. so doesn't have some of the heat issues you may have heard about with the 4850.
a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 7:25:50 PM

in my opinion u should get 2 gtx260 in sli they perform really well. i have 2 and they run crysis great @ 1680x1050, dx10, all very high, 16aa avg 30-35fps.
September 8, 2008 7:53:03 PM

am i missing something. didn't he say he has a p45 board (p5q-E)? that is 2 recs for sli? can't do sli on those boards.
a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 8:01:14 PM

my greatest apologize i missed that. if all u want is crysis gtx280 is the way to go, but i prefer the 4870x2.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 8:12:57 PM

Well i can do something but i am not sure about it,i dont have a P45 board,i am planing to get one,so i may get a SLI board and then get a 8800GTX and combine it with my current 8800GTX,but i have to check the prices first.prices here are totally different from US,in here GTX 280 and HD 4870X2 cost about $700 US and i think a 8800GTX costs $420 here so u say i SLI my 8800GTX?

Well i was reading a review in anandtech and it compared 8800GT in SLI vs GTX 280
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334

Crysis 1600x1200:8800GT SLI wins
COD4 1600x1200:8800GT SLI wins
ETQW 1600x1200:8800GT SLI wins(buy a 0.3 FPS margin)
AC 1600x1200:8800GT SLI wins
OBLIVION 1600x1200:8800GT SLI wins
THE WITCHER 1600x1200:8800GT SLI wins
BIOSHOCK 1600x1200:8800GT SLI wins

So in all test for my resolution,8800GT SLI wins and i have 8800GTX which is faster :)  so i think i will go for second 8800GTX and will get a SLI board and will save lots of money,really support for MultiGPU has improved alot and yeah in most reviews that i read,HD 4870X2 and GTX 280 are a bit overkill for it 1680x1050

Btw i have OCZ PROXSTREAM 1KW PSU and it provides 80A on 12v it shoud do fine right?

Thanks for all the replies and does anyone else has any other recommendations?

BTW,no the only thing that i want isnt Crysis i mostly play COD4 too with other games,but i play Crysis too but not an addict of it :) 
September 8, 2008 8:27:40 PM

all of the comparisons you just put were on higher resolution than you have. just keep that in mind.

also what are the differences in price between p45 and sli mobo where you are at? but i do agree x2 is a bit of overkill. especially since you can save almost $300 on your gpu by getting another 8800.

but for the exact same price if 8800 wasn't an option it would be 4870x2 all day every day. :)  :) 

September 8, 2008 8:28:34 PM

AH man! You sold the laptop??? You were so happy with it, what happened?

Anyway, Ati's got nvidia by the balls on most price ranges man, I jumped ship last week from my 8800 and waiting on my HD 4850 to be delivered! They only nvidia card worth it's price right now is the 8800GT at $120.

If you locate an X38 board on your area, then you could take the CF HD 4850 route which should be considerably cheaper than GTX 280 and outperform it across the board. (Especially with AA on!)

If you're unable to get a decently priced X38 board, then go for the P45 and an HD 4870 X2, you can't go wrong either way man.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 8:31:53 PM

bdollar said:
all of the comparisons you just put were on higher resolution than you have. just keep that in mind.

also what are the differences in price between p45 and sli mobo where you are at? but i do agree x2 is a bit of overkill. especially since you can save almost $300 on your gpu by getting another 8800.

but for the exact same price if 8800 wasn't an option it would be 4870x2 all day every day. :)  :) 


Well its a bit higher than 1680x1050 :) 
Price difference between a P45 board and a 780i SLI board is about $250
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 8:34:05 PM

emp said:
AH man! You sold the laptop??? You were so happy with it, what happened?

Anyway, Ati's got nvidia by the balls on most price ranges man, I jumped ship last week from my 8800 and waiting on my HD 4850 to be delivered! They only nvidia card worth it's price right now is the 8800GT at $120.

If you locate an X38 board on your area, then you could take the CF HD 4850 route which should be considerably cheaper than GTX 280 and outperform it across the board. (Especially with AA on!)

If you're unable to get a decently priced X38 board, then go for the P45 and an HD 4870 X2, you can't go wrong either way man.


read my XPS M1730 problem thread :( 

Well with this reply i dont know what to do, so EMP u dont recommend me getting another GTX card? well if i get anoter 8800GTX with a 780i board it will cost me arroun $700 but if i get a P45 board and HD 4870X2 it will cost me around $800 and i will sell my GTX for $200-$300 so it will be $500,so ?
September 8, 2008 8:36:05 PM

So you save $280 on the 8800 but spend $250 more on the mobo? So you only gain $30. at that pricing I think an x2 is worth $30. probably more than you need but that will give you the freedom to really crank stuff up and be prepared for future games. if it was a bigger difference that would be my recommendation. but $30. for sure. and the x2 throttles the gtx280 is everything but crysis and at your resolution it does crysis just fine especially when turning up AA. my 2 cents.
September 8, 2008 8:37:49 PM

wrote before your last post. no brainer now. you sell your gtx for 2-300. so it costs you $200 less to go with an x2. for sure do that. no way sli is worth $200 more than an x2.
September 8, 2008 8:37:52 PM

How much will it cost you an X38 DDR2 board with 2 HD 4850s? That's another option that should be a lot cheaper and provide better performance than nvidia's offerings.

I am really REALLY against nvidia chipsets buddy, they are the source of all evil in computers all over the world, the only thing they had going for them was the ability to run SLI, but now that it is a non-issue because crossfiring with ati cards is simply better, I oppose 100% to getting one.

If you can't get a good price for an X38 DDR2 board and 2 HD 4850s, then the better course of action would be the P45 (or even P35 if it's a lot cheaper) and an HD 4870 X2.

Also link me to the XPS M1730 thread, im curious to what happened.
September 8, 2008 9:03:20 PM

If you are going with a 9450/9550 get an EO stepping if possible and use a P45 board for better OCability. Most of the P45 boards will do crossfire with PCI-e 2.0 x8. which doesn't bottle neck the HD4850s or really hurt the 4870s.
I would get the 4870x2 between the two choices you offered.
a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2008 10:19:37 PM

Maziar, if youre going to have Vista, check this out http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=10&a... Looks like ATIS commitment to x2 is solid, and shows Vista can perform as well if you have the right drivers/software. Also, check out the last comments where theyre talking about the AA comparisons , which show the ATI as being superior, then reread the benches and apply accordingly heheh
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 12:04:38 AM

I have heavily oced 4850 with aftermarket cooler or otherwise it would melt lol (700/1148) and I get 22-25fps on dx10 all vhigh 1680x1050....but guess what? I dont like crysis so I uninstalled it and I'm a happy camper playing all other games maxed with cod4 that is 70-91fps all maxed at 22" res with 4x msaa :) 
September 9, 2008 1:46:09 AM

I have a stock 4850. I usually play COD4, but also I have many newer games. I have a 22" monitor @ 1680x1050 and I haven't had a problem yet. I'm very impatient with slow pc's, so if I'm happy, I think it should suit you just fine.
September 9, 2008 2:10:38 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Maziar, if youre going to have Vista, check this out http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=10&a... Looks like ATIS commitment to x2 is solid, and shows Vista can perform as well if you have the right drivers/software. Also, check out the last comments where theyre talking about the AA comparisons , which show the ATI as being superior, then reread the benches and apply accordingly heheh


Thank you for that article, jaydee. I'm sold on making the switch to Vista 64 on my next format... need to get 2GB more of ram though :ange: 
September 9, 2008 3:09:32 AM

+1 to vista 64. so much of what i see lately is that most of the "bad stuff" everyone is used to hearing has been fixed. but i think it is important that

1. you have enough ram because it is a hungry beast
2. if you want to maximize performance shut off a lot of the unneeded stuff.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 4:49:15 AM

Well thanks for the replies guys,for now i have XP 32bit but i may get VISTA 64bit but not for sure.

Also talking about X38,shall i get X38 or X48 if i want to CrossFire HD 4850s,well 2xHD 4850s with a X38 board will cost about $750 and gettting a P45 board with HD 4870X2 will be like $900 but CrossFiring HD 4850 will acutally like SLIing my 8800GTX,because HD 4850 and 8800GTX perform near each other and the difference isnt much.

emp,here is the link:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/253569-33-display-dri...
September 9, 2008 5:00:30 AM

Definitely get the X38 over the X48, X48 is just a higher binned X38s.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 5:05:30 AM

So what do you say emp about GPUs,i have 3 options:

1_Keep my 8800GTX and get another 8800GTX with a 780i SLI board(will cost me around $700-$800)

2_Sell my 8800GTX for $200-$300 and get a P45 board and HD 4870X2 which will cost me $600-$700

3_Sell my 8800GTX for $200-$300 and get 2 HD 4850s with a X38 board which will cost me $400-$500

Remember i do all 3 options with the money left from selling my XPS M1730
September 9, 2008 5:17:26 AM

Honestly, if you were going to use a 1920x1200 display I'd say option #2, but with a 1680x1050 display I say get option #3, save some money, and call it a day. I am against the use of nvidia chipsets, they run hot, cause stability issues, don't overclock all that well...

Just read your other thread and apparently that laptop has given you a real **** time, so I say with some of the money saved get some barbecue and beer to release some of that stress bro...
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 5:21:30 AM

thanks emp :) 
I am going shopping today and will get more accurate pricing and will tell u guys.
still waiting for more comments too :) 
September 9, 2008 5:31:03 AM

np buddy, keep me posted on whatever you decide to do :p 
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 5:38:14 AM

sure mate :)  and thanks alot :) 

Well i am in a confusion now,i read anandtech review and in that 2x8800GT in SLI beat a GTX 280 in 1600x1200 in every game,then i read a XBITLABS which compared 2xHD 4850 with 1 GTX 280 and not in some tests 1 GTX 280 won, why?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/sapphire...

September 9, 2008 5:48:32 AM

The board they are using is a first gen PCI-E with x8/x8 links, other reviews use a PCI-E 2.0 x16 with x16/x16, even PCI-E 2.0 x8/x8 links limit the CF HD 4850, I'm not surprised with their results.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 5:53:21 AM

u are right,but here is a link that they tested with a X38 board:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-h...

again HD 4850 CF loses to 1 GTX 280 in some cases.thats strange really when u compare it with anandtechs 8800GT SLI vs GTX 280 article.
September 9, 2008 6:03:11 AM

No man... they are still using the same board with first gen PCI-E x8/x8 links. It's an old X3200 chipset, not an X38.
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 6:14:39 AM

Yeah sorry i didnt see it :) 
Well here is one which shows a test with a X38 board:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15293/3

However the games that they tested on 1680x1050 isnt much but it shows that 2 HD 4850s beat 1 GTX 280 :) 

I am going out now to check the prices when i come back i will tell u the exact prices :) 
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 6:16:53 AM

Looking at the settings here http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-h... It looks as tho theyve done exactly what happened in the other link I posted. Basically theyve run a higher AA standard with the ati cards, vs the nVidia cards. Also, a dual wont push a multi card setup as fastas a quad. Other than that, without knowing the differences between Annands and them thats it. Double the AA on the 280 and then compare
September 9, 2008 6:26:20 AM

Add to that the board that is definitely crippling the cards, if we see a small loss using PCI-E 2.0 x8 links, imagine PCI-E x8 links... Talk about diminishing returns...
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 10:41:04 AM

Well i went out and check the prices,ATI HD 4850 costs $250,NVIDIA GTX 280 costs $720,ATI HD 4870X2 costs $710,so i have 3 options:

1_Get a ASUS MAXIMUS FORMULA X38 board along with 2xATI HD 4850 which will cost $770

2_Get a ASUS P5Q P45 board with ATI HD 4870X2 which will cost $850

3_Get a ASUS P5Q and a GTX 280 which costs the same as option 2,well the guy who i talked said that go for GTX 280 because if u want to sell later,in IRAN Nvidia sells better than ATI.

so which one do u recommend?

a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 11:07:22 AM

Also i found this article too:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_4850_487...

The Radeon 4800s are even more impressive when combined together for CrossFire. In our testing, dual 4850s were faster than one GeForce GTX 280. We were completely shocked to see this kind of performance out of a $199 graphics card! NVIDIA argues that there are cases where two GeForce 9800 GPUs outperform the GTX 280 also, so we’ll have to test that in our next article. We’re also eager to see how well the 55-nm process NVIDIA has incorporated for the GTX+ scales. Our RV770 boards didn’t OC as well as we’d hoped, but it’s also likely that we’re being held up by cooling. Hopefully ATI’s board partners will come up with some unique Radeon 4800 cards shortly.

In closing, RV770 has put ATI back in the game when it comes to performance. We know they’ve also got R700 on tap to directly take on the GeForce GTX 280, but with the 4850 and 4870 cards already performing this well, does it even matter? As long as ATI can continue to keep their CrossFire drivers scaling well as newer DX10 content is released later this year, we think the $400 Radeon 4850 CrossFire combo is pretty hard to beat. If today’s CrossFire performance is any indication, R700 will just pull ATI that much further ahead of GeForce GTX 200.
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 11:26:37 AM

Well, the 4850 rules, as far as your res goes. One thing to remember tho, if youre ever planning to upgrade your res before selling the then older 4850s, they dont scale as well at higher res. Also, by the time you go to sell your 4850s, people attitudes towards ATI may have changed by then
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 11:58:10 AM

Well 24" LCDs are very expensive here so i will stick with a 22" :D 
So which one do u recommend me jaydee?
and thanks for the help :) 
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 12:28:29 PM

Well i found a very good review which compares HD 4870X2,4850,GTX 280 in single and MultiGPU modes:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_ati_radeon_4870...

I post the 1600x1200 results:

Lost Planet DX10 Performance:
ATI HD 4870X2: 51.5
2xATI HD 4850:38.8
NVIDIA GTX 280:36.8

Company Of Heroes DX10:
ATI HD 4870X2:92
2xATI HD 4850:75
NVIDIA GTX 280:72.7

COD4:
ATI HD 4870X2:180
2xATI HD 4850:165
NVIDIA GTX 280:123

CRYSIS:
ATI HD 4870X2:40.9
NVIDIA GTX 280:42.3
2xATI HD 4850:38.2

BioShock:
ATI HD 4870X2:143
2xATI HD 4850:105.6
NVIDIA GTX 280:87.6

So in every came except CRYSIS, HD 4870X2>2xATI HD 4850 > NVIDA GTX 280.

So i ask again,
ATI HD 4870X2 costs $710 here
ATI HD 4850 costs $250 which i will need 2 of them so it will be $500
NVIDIA GTX 280 costs $710(XFX model) and $660 for GIGABYTE model.

so which of the 3 options i posted above do u recommend?


a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 12:36:29 PM

At your res, the 4850s, as itll give you a boost over your old GTX sli setup, thatll be noticeable with the extra eye candy available to you, and bett fps, tho they might not be as noticeable at that res, because its going to run everything good, except that C game heheh
a c 169 U Graphics card
September 9, 2008 12:54:24 PM

Well i think u got something wrong jaydee,i have 1 8800GTX not 2 of them :D 

So u dont recommend me the HD 4870X2?
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