HD-DVD, Blu Ray................

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:56:54 GMT, manitou910
<manitou910@rogers.com> posted:

><http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040817.gtdvdaug17/BNStory/Technology/>

Maybe they'll put DVD-Video on one side and DVD-HD Video on the
other side, so they can sell everything on one disc.

Kirk Bayne
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:33:47 GMT, manitou910 <manitou910@rogers.com>
wrote:

>I don't see a huge format war problem _for consumers_ because it will be
>comparatively easy for manufacturers to produce multistandard players,
>given that the discs will be the same size as standard DVD and CD.

That's apparently not as true as you'd think. The outside diameter is
one measurement that happens to be the same; there are many others
(depth of the data in the plastic layer of the disc being one) that
are different enough to *not* allow the same pickup to be used.

>My expectation is that both Blu Ray and HD-DVD will be niche products
>for a long time because (1) the effort and cost of remastering older
>programing to a technical quality level that will be sufficient to
>justify HiDef releases will be horrific

I disagree. Most DVDs these days are being produced from HD masters,
which are in turn being created pretty easily on HD telecines from
film. It should be no big trick to switch from DVD to HD. Showtime &
HBO seem to have no trouble getting HD masters from studios for
broadcast, for example.

>and (2) at this time even most
>DVD authoring is not at maximum standard.

But there *are* many commercial releases that do a particularly nice
job. Just think how much better they'd be with higher resolution on a
disc with something like three or more times the capacity!

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Karyudo (karyudo_usenet@yahoo.com.remove.me) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
> That's apparently not as true as you'd think. The outside diameter is
> one measurement that happens to be the same; there are many others
> (depth of the data in the plastic layer of the disc being one) that
> are different enough to *not* allow the same pickup to be used.

Only if ultra-low priced units are a requirement. Multiple optical setups
(or just single ones that are very versatile) can be used. The Pioneer
LD/DVD players did just that, and it's why they can play standard pressed
DVD along with all of DVD±R/RW even though most of those weren't even
a gleam in the eye of the DVD standard when the Pioneer units first
shipped.

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Karyudo wrote:
>
> I'd agree, for the most part. I think one of the reasons LD players
> that could play DVDs came out was because LD manufacturers (especially
> Pioneer?) could see the writing on the wall, and did what they could
> to stave off the inevitable. Even so, I don't think anyone could have
> predicted just how quickly and thoroughly DVD would take over. After
> all, it was never really planned as a videophile format, was it??

What do you think the 500 lines of resolution, multiple soundtrack and
multiple sub title channes, multiple angle and dual layer were in the
standard for?

Matthew

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:03:55 -0400, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:

>Matthew L. Martin (nothere@notnow.never) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
>> > After
>> > all, it was never really planned as a videophile format, was it??
>>
>> What do you think the 500 lines of resolution, multiple soundtrack and
>> multiple sub title channes, multiple angle and dual layer were in the
>> standard for?
>
>And then there's "enhanced for 16x9 TVs" DVDs. In hindsight, putting
>*that* into the spec is practically a requirement for DVD to be useful
>today, but 7 years ago it was aimed only at videophiles.

.... or maybe the Japanese, about half of whom already had WS sets in
1997?

Things Left Out of DVD-Video That Would Have Made It Cooler:

- support for MPEG-2 2:1 and 1:1 ARs, or
- WS native frame size
- better-than-2-bit subpictures
- true 24 (OK, 23.976) fps, with mandatory flags

....among other things.

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manitov910 wrote:


> I expect it will be decades (not mere years) before all major classic
> movies are ready for HiDef home video, and in many cases it will be
> completely impossible for one reason or another.
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I'd have to agree. I have a VHS Copy of "The Third Man" which is very
good and clean, and HAD and DVD copy of "Svddenly", which looked like a
12 yr old had vsed twin lead wire to copy from yvgoslavian made Avanti
VHS taped second generation bootleg of "Svddenly" to a DVD disc. In fact
the pictvre was so pathetic I throvgh the fvcking thing away.


I've seen "Svddenly" on the local channel's "Movie Clvb" show and there
are clean masters of it - one was provided to me by my local local TV
station one night.

DVD and qvality control WRT to "Classics" (I'm talking REAL Classics -
30's/40's)......................has A LONG WAY to go!


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And it is in svch twilight that we all mvst be aware of change in the air
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whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be pvtting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
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Department Lawyer
Will Dvnham's 56-page legalization of tortvre memo.

If yov add all of those vp, yov shovld have a conservative rebellion against
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George W. Bvsh. Jvst as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "Yov got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the avthentic conservatives in the
Repvblican Party.
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-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.

"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
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freedom of ovr covntry.
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One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wovldn't kill me. The soldier was lavghing, when Yovsef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
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"the absolvte convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
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Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004

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of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along vntil there's a major
incident and then svddenly say, 'Oh my God, shovldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Pavl Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribvne Fovndation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.

"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to vse
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hvssein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to vse military action becavse
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
wovld "offer ovr fvll svpport in this difficvlt bvt necessary endeavor."
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Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
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William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rvmsfeld and Pavl Wolfowitz. Fovr years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (vsenet)

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-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.

"I hope they will vnderstand that in order for this government to get vp
and rvnning
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can pvt it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty bvt [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow vs to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
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See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
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"Let's talk abovt the nvclear proposition for a minvte. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolvtely devoted to trying to acqvire nvclear weapons.
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respect to weapons of mass destrvction. He is vnable to project
conventional power against his neighbovrs."
- Colin Powell Febrvary 24 2001


"We have been svccessfvl for the last ten years in keeping
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"He threatens not the United States."

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