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upgrading a am2 3800+ x2 need help deciding

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October 29, 2008 6:10:02 PM

I have been thinking about upgrading my aging cpu for a while now but was wondering if maybe to wait, with new tech around the corner. I have heard about the new Deneb cpus but from some of the info out there they are going to be 125W well my motherboard (am2+ gigabyte GA-MA78G-Ds3H) only supports the 9750 125W phenoms now so who knows if it could even handle the new ones. Im not a hardcore gamer but like to play a bit (waiting for newer games diablo 3) and I also do a bit of video editing using Magix Movie edit pro 14 and rip DVDs to hdd on occasion. So pretty much an all around machine. Other specs of system XP, corsair 620hx, Hd3870, ocz vendetta w/zerotherm paste can't remember what i think zt100, 80gb sata hdd for os, wd 640gb hdd for storage, 2gb geil ram 800ddr2 centurion 5 case with tt hdd cage that fits in 5 1/2 in bay w/ 120mm fan (my whole system was overheating so i thought this was the best way to add a fan). I haven't decided if oc is in the future but who knows. So I was thinking about one of the following: with a budget of around $120

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 89W reason pretty cheap and has more cache

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Brisbane 2.8GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache reason black edition

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 45W reason uses less energy so if in the future i turn it into a htpc it would be great for it

AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache reason quad core and in budget( i know that it might show the TLB bug) just keeping options open

AMD Phenom 9550 Agena 2.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache reason quad core no TLB bug

or with a little budget increase (if it is really worth it)
AMD Phenom 8750 Toliman 2.4GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache reason 3 cores and black edition

so I am open for all the expert advice you have to offer thanks
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October 29, 2008 6:25:03 PM

My choice would depend on a budget in 6 months to a year. If indeed I expected to have $800-$1000 by then, I would think that the 5050e would be the best choice. It would handle your immediate requirements, and you would very likely be able to turn this machine into a htpc after building another rig with that budget.
If you are uncertain about future funds and need this machine to last as long as possible, then I'd probably choose the 9550 or 8750.
October 29, 2008 6:41:05 PM

Thanks for the advice. I do plan to prolly using the system as long as i can (plan to sometime go to college) but will the quads be able to handle future games that aren't optomized for for multi cores with their slower ghz??
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October 29, 2008 7:06:42 PM

Well, more and more future games will use more cores. Also, there's lots of background crap needing attention, from anti-virus and filters to whatever "management" crap your college may insist you load in order to use your system on their network.
Throw in that download you started, and the music your roommate is streaming from the share you set up for him, and more cores is definitely not a bad idea.
October 29, 2008 7:25:52 PM

ok i get what you are saying but will the actual ghz (the 9550 is only 2.2ghz) be enough to run games or will they rely more on the gpuand not the speed of the cpu because right now with the x2 3800+ (2.0ghz) and the hd 3870 the games i played seemed to lag at times ( Witcher, NeverWinterNights 2). I only play at 1280x1024. I don't know if that was due to the ghz of the cpu or the gpu. so an increase of only 200mhz doesn't seem big to me. thanks again
October 29, 2008 7:31:58 PM

Yes the 9550 should do quite well for some time. Also when you buy a MB make sure it IS AM2+ (not just a BIOS flash), making sure of this will allow you to use the AM3's when they come out (if they come out).


*Edit* as for the lag issue, that was most likley caused a combonation of issues ranging from RAM (not enough), Single core CPU, or Video card. I'd also look into getting 4GB of RAM instead (G.Skill 2x 2GB is $50).
October 29, 2008 7:50:40 PM

There shouldn't be any issues, however like I said splurge on 4GB of RAM, and upgrade the Vid at some point. That 3870 is starting to show it's age, especially with newer games. (be sure the RAM is DDR2 1066 for the X4's, or X3's)
October 29, 2008 7:56:18 PM

Ok not sure if I could extend my budget that much. I have a pair of A-data 512mb ddr2 800 laying around that I could throw in to bring total gb to 3. Would this help? Or is there issues mixing ram?
October 29, 2008 8:22:23 PM

Would there be a big benefit of 1066 ram over 800?
October 29, 2008 8:56:25 PM

I also found a AMD Phenom X3 Tri-core 8600B 2.30GHz Processor on ebay that is in my price range how would this be?
October 29, 2008 9:20:23 PM

drippyfausett said:
ok i get what you are saying but will the actual ghz (the 9550 is only 2.2ghz) be enough to run games or will they rely more on the gpuand not the speed of the cpu because right now with the x2 3800+ (2.0ghz) and the hd 3870 the games i played seemed to lag at times ( Witcher, NeverWinterNights 2). I only play at 1280x1024. I don't know if that was due to the ghz of the cpu or the gpu. so an increase of only 200mhz doesn't seem big to me. thanks again


You could overclock you 3800 X2 up to 2.2 quite easily at see if your lag goes away...

An X3 or X4 will help with video encoding over the dual cores.

2gigs or ram is fine for XP. More is fine but you probably don't need it.

I read something about slowdowns with the 780G and ATI cards... (did not happen with Nvidia cards) Drivers??? will have to check.
October 29, 2008 9:58:24 PM

Yeah i could oc, r-sky, to see if it doesn't lag but Im more worried about future games because Im not really playing those two games heavily anymore. That is a weird concept about a slow down with ati cards when they are made by same company.
October 29, 2008 11:12:43 PM

Thanks for the article it shed some light on things. From what I got out of it it seems that you should try to go above 2.4ghz or it might slow you down.
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