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hi

newb Ric - bit of a retro question here :-o

what's the fastest cpu that XP can handle, please - or how can a dual core be made to fuction best in an XP or XP Pro machine?

thanks

R

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the OS does not determine how fast the cpu is. The OS may use more of the cpu for background apps etc, which could cause the system to run slower, but you can't make your cpu run faster in XP.

If you want to make your system run faster then get a better cpu (just as long as your mobo can handle it), Overclock your current cpu, or turn off things like indexing and optional services off in XP (this option wont give you much of a benifit, but it's better then nothing)

Also make sure to defrag your hard drive, run virus / spyware scanners, etc.


Message edited by kyeana on 10-29-2008 at 10:41:15 PM
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cool - how do you overclock a [Home XP] Pentium 4 please?

thanks

Ric

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Rik, so far you have revealed you have XP Home and a Pentium 4 processor. How do you overclock it is your question. With the MB system BIOS settings that control your hardware. Your Pentium 4 is all we know. Please list your system specifications. Like is it an Emachines or a HP or Dell? List the model number. Many of those manufacturers lock up the BIOS due to warranty obligation. Your system may not be overclockable. List your CPU, MB, RAM, video card, etc. Or the machine maker and model number.

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uh, overclocking is a complex process that requires some know how before you do it.

Before you even think of overclocking your cpu, read this guide:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] king-guide

Also some things to consider:
1. You will have to put an aftermarket heatsink on your processor in order to acheive any high overclock. If you have never done this before then it is something you should do research on before attempting to try
2. If you bought your computer from a big company (dell, hp, etc) they lock out the overclocking options in the bios, so overclocking your cpu wont be a possibility anyways
3. If you damage any of your parts while overclocking your system, due to lack of knowledge or just bad luck, then you wont be able to get any sort of warranty back for them. You will be stuck with broken parts. Just a heads up.

Make sure you understand what you are doing before you start overclocking, and if you have any questions about it post back here and get some help before attempting it. If you decided not to take the overclocking route then its probably time to upgrade your pc.

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troll?

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Also, to determine the processors your system will support, check the manufacturer's product page under CPU's supported. Pentium 4 is old technology and probably not worth trying to upgrade to a better processor. If you plan to upgrade, buying new parts for a P4 is not the way to go. Buy a new system that sports a C2D or C2Q processor.


Message edited by badge on 10-30-2008 at 12:07:06 AM
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He's not a troll. He's a 52 year old gentleman with a question.

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my apologies.

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Yeah, the general idea of overclocking may have thrown him off. Like if you have never head the word, you probably have no clue as to anything. I think OP was thinking he could buy a faster processor and didn't realize XP wasn't limiting him in his choices. He probably is still not clear that XP is not the limiting factor in upgrading his processor. 8) I majored in Psych. Wanna see my crystal ball. 8)


Message edited by badge on 10-30-2008 at 12:17:17 AM
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badge wrote :

Rik, so far you have revealed you have XP Home and a Pentium 4 processor. How do you overclock it is your question. With the MB system BIOS settings that control your hardware. Your Pentium 4 is all we know. Please list your system specifications. Like is it an Emachines or a HP or Dell? List the model number. Many of those manufacturers lock up the BIOS due to warranty obligation. Your system may not be overclockable. List your CPU, MB, RAM, video card, etc. Or the machine maker and model number.



thanks Badge

it's here -

http://support.dell.com/support/ed [...] #wp1075776

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sorry guys,

am just trying to match a P4 - on an xp system - to a dv edit software which has it licked

thought this would be as easy as unplugging one cpu and plugging another one in, but Dell seem to have made the D-3000 so that it cannot be upgraded to anything higher than a P4

no, i am not trolling :-|

R

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alas this isn't dells fault. The P4 use a different sockets then the C2D's do. Sorry mate :(


EDIT: Im stupid, ignore this. :D

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Message edited by kyeana on 10-30-2008 at 12:59:45 AM
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Well, just a quick look over of the specs provided on the link, your are stuck with a Pentium 4 in that system and that is old technology. Yiou would want to upgrade to a Core 2 duo or Core 2 quad system to get better performance for video editing and general usage. The upgrade to the Intel core 2 would be substancial as far as performance. You asked about putting a dual core in your system. The product page does not state a Pentiun D is supported. I am not familiar with your Dell, but even if the MB supported a Pentium D it wouldn't be wrth it. I would suggest leaving your system the way it is, it's not upgradeable. Look for a Core 2 duo dual core system. A core 2 quad would be even more suitable for video editing. I would think your Dell system has the BIOS locked and the system is not able to be overclocked. Sorry, for the scrambled response. I have a lot going on right now.

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kyeana wrote :

alas this isn't dells fault. The P4 use a different sockets then the C2D's do. Sorry mate :(



There are socket 775 P4's. I have a socket 775 that uses DDR as well as a P4. His MB, system specs, doe not even list socket 775 Pentium D's (dual cores). That tells He may have a micro board with inferior voltage regulators that do not support Pentium D much less C2D.

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badge wrote :

There are socket 775 P4's. I have a socket 775 that uses DDR as well as a P4. His MB, system specs, doe not even list socket 775 Pentium D's (dual cores). That tells He may have a micro board with inferior voltage regulators that do not support Pentium D much less C2D.



just got owned! I was under the impression that all P4's were socket 478 . I guess you do learn something new everyday. (and looking back at my mobo it does support p4. I probably should have put that together) ;)

Cheers

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kyeana wrote :

just got owned! I was under the impression that all P4's were socket 478 . I guess you do learn something new everyday. (and looking back at my mobo it does support p4. I probably should have put that together) ;)

Cheers



Kewl, It's your poor judgement and blind ambition that caused it. I would never elect you. :lol:

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to be fair i wouldn't vote for me either :)

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Besides, you have no rectitude.

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Lol, at least not in socket 775 P4's.


...but i would still make a horrible politician. I think ill stick to the whole gamer and nerd thing :D Probably more interesting anyways

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thanks guys - yes i think the socket is a 478

can you run XP on a dual core though - i read somewhere that xp will only utilise one of the two processors; someone else said XP Pro was the best o/s for a x2, and that there were 'ways' of getting xp to work both halves of a dual cpu?

method to the madness is that a dv edit plug-in i want to use is not Vista ready (yet), hence the interest in xp

R

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Windows XP runs a dual core with no problem. Socket 478 does not support dual core processors. Your best upgrade path is to buy a new system with Core 2 duo (C2D) or Core 2 Quad (C2Q) processors. The 2.8GHz. Northwood processor is likely what you have. That Northwood is about as good a processor as socket 478 supports. You system may not even support Pentium 4 Prescotts without a BIOS update if available. Northwoods were better.

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badge wrote :

Windows XP runs a dual core with no problem. Socket 478 does not support dual core processors. Your best upgrade path is to buy a new system with Core 2 duo (C2D) or Core 2 Quad (C2Q) processors. The 2.8GHz. Northwood processor is likely what you have. That Northwood is about as good a processor as socket 478 supports. You system may not even support Pentium 4 Prescotts without a BIOS update if available. Northwoods were better.



thanks Badge - this helps - i guess a question now is to look for a [xp] retail C2D, or build / barebone one? Ric

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A system, DELL or otherwise, offering an Intel C2D or C2Q processor would be a big jump in performance over the Pentum 4 you are using. Intel processor support in not intingent on whether the system is windows XP or Vista, both operating systems support dual and quad core processors. Ihaven't put much research into this, but here is a very reasonablly priced C2D Intel processor system:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] 1465983703

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It is time for a new computer.

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Here is a 2.6GHz Intel Quad core (C2Q) with Vista 64 operationg system for a reasonable price

http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0282814

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badge wrote :

A system, DELL or otherwise, offering an Intel C2D or C2Q processor would be a big jump in performance over the Pentum 4 you are using. Intel processor support in not intingent on whether the system is windows XP or Vista, both operating systems support dual and quad core processors. Ihaven't put much research into this, but here is a very reasonablly priced C2D Intel processor system:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] 1465983703



thanks Badge :)

both look cool - esp the xp

wonder how this barebones would work out pricewise after i'd added processor + HDD etc?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-T3-P5 [...] =de_a_smtd

R


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XP Pro works fine even with Quads, its just that the OS itself could do a better job assigning work to each core...(and yet XP is faster despite Vista being more core optimized...what does THAT tell you?)

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xp seems to be such a dependable o/s that you get the feeling Microsoft rushed in getting Vista off the ground too soon - so the performance difference between them is comparatively slight? you'd expect Core 2 new technology to be light years ahead of 'old tech' P4, but this obviously isn't so?

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