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August 21, 2008 12:53:54 AM

Hi guys,

Same as you've all heard many times over.. but you love posting anyway, right??

Been 5 years, I'm looking to build a new PC very soon. I'd like your reccomendations on these items.

Brand/Size/Speed included please!

- CPU (quad? dual?)
- Ram (DDR3? DDR2? 2 or 4 gig?)
- video card (thinking of 9600GT, or a 260)
- Hard drive (was thinking vilociraptor, or raptor for speed but are they loud? 16 or 32 cache?)
- Power supply (I'm blank on this one.. whats reccomended in terms of size?)
- Motherboard (as above, totally blank.)

Burner/monitor/mouse/keyboard are no brainers ;) 

This will be used for general gaming, and some office applications, general desktop stuff, im not bleeding edge hardcore but would like it to last for a while as my previous PC did. Hard drive was just for speed... would like it fast as possible thats why im flexable with the size.

Money is not a big deal however cheaper the better of course right, for example I've seen DDR3 is faster, but not used by applications/games today to offset the cost compared to DDR2..
Feel free to reccomend some items I might not know about or forgotten about.... been out of the loop for 5 years!

Thanks guys, hope I'm not just another clone thread!

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August 21, 2008 1:10:15 AM

CPU - Intel Core2Duo E8400
RAM - Corsair/A-Data/G.Skill/OCZ DDR2-800 4 Gig (2x2GB)
Video - EVGA Geforce GTX-260/Sapphire HD4850
Hard Drive - Seagate/Western Digital xxxGB 16/32Meg Cache 7200 RPM
Power Supply - Corsair 650
Motherboard - Gigabyte EP-35

"/"s mean either/or

-Wolf sends
August 21, 2008 5:50:49 AM

Wolfshadw said:
CPU - Intel Core2Duo E8400
RAM - Corsair/A-Data/G.Skill/OCZ DDR2-800 4 Gig (2x2GB)
Video - EVGA Geforce GTX-260/Sapphire HD4850
Hard Drive - Seagate/Western Digital xxxGB 16/32Meg Cache 7200 RPM
Power Supply - Corsair 650
Motherboard - Gigabyte EP-35

"/"s mean either/or

-Wolf sends


I checked out some prices, seems anything above the DDR 800 is expensive, except these....: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23484&vpn=OC...

A good buy or stay away?

Looks like this motherboard allows me to skip buying a soundcard, thanks for the advise! Any speaker reccomendations?
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August 21, 2008 9:22:51 AM

Intel Q9450
OCZ DDR2-800 4-4-4-12@2.1V(can't remember the name)
Gigabyte/Asus P45 Motherboard(EP45-DS4,P5Q)
HD4870X2(buy stock version any brand will do,i usually by the cheapest)
OCZ Vandetta 2
Corsair/Coolermaster 700W PSU(you dont want PSU to be just enough!you will regrat if you do)
Seagate/Samsung 750GB HDD
Antec 1200/900
August 21, 2008 9:25:24 AM

OC that to around 3.8Ghz(which its more then capable) it will sure last you at least 2 year.

get a Dell 24" 1920 monitor and i prefer Logitech's 2.1 speaker they sound clear with punchy bass.keyboard and mouse?Logitech again i would say.

dont spend small amount on sound card if you HAVE to buy one.only top of the line sound card you get performance gain. the lower ones just for show and no go i would say.
August 21, 2008 9:36:45 AM

Unless you're planning a massive over-clock (above 3.6GHz) there's no need for anything above DDR2-800.

-Wolf sends
August 21, 2008 9:38:46 AM

^

with 1:1 multiplier of course!:) 
August 21, 2008 5:29:09 PM

I've got a dell 22' monitor so thats taken care of, got it off a freind who bought a 24 for $100, can't really beat that price!

I won't be overclocking. Wolf, did you see that ram?
August 21, 2008 5:35:12 PM

you didnt ask me but i will answer it for you.

those are good ram BUT since you not going to overclock might as well get the cheapest 800mhz ram and save the money. since you wont explore/put the ram's overclock potential to use.
August 21, 2008 6:41:14 PM

I see, so I basically should overclock to take advantage of that price? Not to mention 400 more mhz out of the ram. Looks like Wolfs reccomended board will support the 1200 when the processor is o/c.

The only reason I did not want to OC was I have not done much. I did manage to get my old P2.4 to 2.6 fooling around with voltages but considering my inexperience I did not want to mess with and damage anything.
August 21, 2008 6:46:13 PM

OC is nothing hard and it wont kill hardware in a year. NO ONE HAVE REPORTED THEIR SYSTEM DEAD IN A YEAR BECAUSE ITS OCed!!!

you should really OC and take a advantage of everything. that setup should get you to 3.8Ghz nicely!:) 
August 21, 2008 7:18:09 PM

hi there

i too am planning to build a new pc

i have a limited budjet

i am looking to get 780g

what i am aslking is that which amd x2 processor offers best price/oClock tradeoff

aaand....

just a noraml PSU ,cooling system and recommended RAm with it

thanks


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August 21, 2008 7:21:40 PM

the AMD 5400BE will be good and any DDR2-800 will do the job nicely. Corsair 430W and Xigmatek S1283.

there you go.start a new thread next time.
August 21, 2008 7:45:21 PM

In response to Iluvgillgill, plenty of people have reported their system dead in a year because they oc'ed. They're just wrong. ;) 

Lynkx - Yes, I did see the RAM and again, unless you're going for a massive over-clock (like the one gillgill mentions), there's no need for anything above DDR2-800. To run in a 1:1 ratio CPU/RAM, you only need DDR2-667 for a processor with a 1333MHz FSB. To maintain the 1:1 ratio (for optimal performance) when over-clocking to a 1600MHz FSB, you would need DDR2-800 RAM. At a 1600FSB with a Q9450 (8x Multiplier), the processor would run at 3.2 GHz (8x400).

Ottoman - I don't know too much about OCing AMD processors, so I'll leave that to more knowledgeable folks.

-Wolf sends
August 21, 2008 7:51:51 PM

^

how many pc you seen dead because of OC? i got a few friend their mobo fried at stock speed when pc left on for 2 month. so its not like OC will kilkl things faster(such as 2 month).

i only see people got their OC need to be lowered or add more voltage.but not dead modo/cpu/ram.
August 21, 2008 9:41:14 PM

I see.

Well, glad I asked, my previous experience with ram was faster = better, but common sense should of told me its supply and demand.
August 22, 2008 6:18:12 AM

How much ram will a 64bit OS see? 8 gigs?

I am curious if many games could be played on a 64bit OS, or if its better to stick with 32bit for now.
August 22, 2008 6:27:37 AM

I've only known one person that killed their cpu from overclocking, and that's because he went too high on his voltage.

As far as I know, with 64 bit OS it's more up to your motherboard than the operating system. Almost all games are compatible with vista 64 now, if not it is in the Vista 32 bit emulator.
August 22, 2008 7:38:08 AM

i remember right 64bit OS will see 64GB+.where as 32bit will see only 3.5GB. but i heard MS release a patch where 32bit can see 4GB in Vista only(not XP)
August 22, 2008 5:32:49 PM

iluvgillgill said:
i remember right 64bit OS will see 64GB+.where as 32bit will see only 3.5GB. but i heard MS release a patch where 32bit can see 4GB in Vista only(not XP)


Oh I see, now is that 4gb+ in vista 32bit or just up to 4gb? I'll max out at 8 gigs if I can. Looks like vista is a buy then, and just when I was starting to like XP.

Case wise I'm looking at a antec 900, I don't need the extra space that the 1200 allows, im actually looking for smaller/cooler if possible. I like the idea of the asus eee machines and minimac. But since i want gaming this is a better choice.

Is the fastest FSB 1333 right now?

And do I really need that 720 watt PS? Corsair 620 is 80$, where the 720 is double.
August 22, 2008 7:59:27 PM

I read up on the 64bit version. Is the 64bit vista slower or faster then the 32bit version? It says games can be run in compatibility mode but anyone have experience with that OS and is a gamer?
August 22, 2008 8:07:36 PM

Any 32-bit OS (Vista or XP) as a 4GB limit. Any 64-bit OS (Vista-64 or XP-64) has a 128GB limit (iirc).

The fastest stock FSB is 1333MHz (for now).

The 620 should be enough for your system. 720 allows for more peace of mind.

Both 64-bit operating systems have 32-bit emulators. If a program/game is not written for the 64-bit OS, the OS will install the program in it's X86 (32-Bit) program files folder (based on my XP-64 experience) and run it with the 32-bit emulator.

-Wolf sends
August 23, 2008 12:04:44 AM

but in general 32bit is guarranteed trouble free.
August 23, 2008 1:58:37 AM

erra budget would be nice but forget rbout raptors/velociraptors sigh... 320GB AAKS or 640GB AAKS drives also from western digital are faster than a raptor and like a third of the price of a velociraptor with more space :)  and btw don't compare a 9600GT to a GTX260, LOL!

gimme a price range and i'll find a good setup :p 
August 23, 2008 5:38:02 AM

iluvgillgill said:
but in general 32bit is guarranteed trouble free.


Of course, I just would like to max out my ram at 8 gigs if I can since its dirt cheap compared to years ago.

V3NOM said:
erra budget would be nice but forget rbout raptors/velociraptors sigh... 320GB AAKS or 640GB AAKS drives also from western digital are faster than a raptor and like a third of the price of a velociraptor with more space :)  and btw don't compare a 9600GT to a GTX260, LOL!

gimme a price range and i'll find a good setup :p 


I mentioned I'm not too concerned about money, but I don't imagine my needs going beyond 1000$ for just the tower. I checked out some reviews of video cards, and noticed the HD4850 series cards performed much better then the geforce 260 in higher res, so I'm looking at that one right now.

Could not find any reviews of the western digital aaks drives, whats special about them, they only have 16mb cache? And I don't think I compared the 9600 to the 260, they were choices I was considering.
August 23, 2008 7:54:32 AM

WOW! theres loads of reviews about the AAKS drives! they r uber pwnage man!

ill edit this post with a setup not including monitor, keyboard and mouse?
August 23, 2008 7:55:37 AM

oh by the way does newegg ship to your house? :p 
August 23, 2008 6:28:05 PM

V3NOM said:
WOW! theres loads of reviews about the AAKS drives! they r uber pwnage man!

ill edit this post with a setup not including monitor, keyboard and mouse?


keyboard and mouse if you like, I'll be getting new, I don't need uber leet stuff, but not ultra cheap plastic garbage niether. Either way, its all going to be an upgrade for the old box.

V3NOM said:
oh by the way does newegg ship to your house? :p 


Not sure, I'm in Canada, I do have a great store that has the best prices in all Canada, they have everything, but if newegg has something worth the trouble I'll take a look, chances are though NCIX has what I want too.

August 24, 2008 6:34:26 AM

Whats the advantage of getting a modular power supply? Just more wires? I was checking out the corsair 750 watt, its $70, but for the 620 watt modulat its $129.
Not sure if "modular" makes it worth it or if I even need that.
August 24, 2008 9:26:18 AM

Modular allows you to only connect those wires you need. Less wiring in the case means better airflow for cooling.

-Wolf sends
August 24, 2008 9:45:17 AM

dont pay more for modular PSU its not worth it in my view. since you will cable tie and hide it anyway so its not going to affect the airflow.
August 24, 2008 6:59:36 PM

Wolfshadw said:
Modular allows you to only connect those wires you need. Less wiring in the case means better airflow for cooling.

-Wolf sends


iluvgillgill said:
dont pay more for modular PSU its not worth it in my view. since you will cable tie and hide it anyway so its not going to affect the airflow.


I see, so its not so big an advantage that will be worth the 40% extra cost, for a casual user like myself I don't think I'll need mathmatics to set my fans to reduce friction, so I think I should be ok without one, right?

Or if I OC I could just water block it :D 
August 24, 2008 9:38:07 PM

if you do want OC you still dont need those expensive watercooling. invest in a good cooler NOW and you will benefit from it.
August 25, 2008 5:36:39 PM

iluvgillgill said:
if you do want OC you still dont need those expensive watercooling. invest in a good cooler NOW and you will benefit from it.


Yes, was looking at the artic 7, looks to cool quite a bit better then stock.
August 25, 2008 7:06:07 PM

the AC7 is very good for its price but there are much better coolers out there.
August 26, 2008 4:21:15 PM

like what? 30$ is pretty cheap for the prerformance.
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