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a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2008 2:08:45 AM

I'd love to see what the DX10 implementation is, I get the feeling it's a bit 'tacked on', only because of the somewhat mild optimizations and somewhat more than mild issues with the game initially, and the long time to launch from devlopment in the R9700 era.

But hey, could be wicked now that they have all the bugs worked out.

Surprising to see the GTX260 fall below the GF8800GTX @ 16x10 with no AA. :heink:  But it's early, driver optimizations are sure to follow.
September 16, 2008 2:10:39 AM

I think the First patch to Stalker should put a fix to all the optimization problems I heard it has.

But at the same time I heard the game is beautiful.

Atleast I kno it won't run on my laptop:D 
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September 16, 2008 2:30:18 AM

wow...all I can say is wow.

After seeing how well the GX2 did....I'm second guessing myself lol.
September 16, 2008 4:06:04 AM

shut up dagger lol you make too much sense! :p  hhahahahah:D 

Benchmark Crysis 2 for me if you get it:D 
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2008 4:37:24 AM

Wonder if the game has AA? And what it does to these cards here?
September 16, 2008 5:43:08 AM

i dont really care much for stalker anyway...I really didnt like the previous one and read a review for the new one and found out its about the same (with obviously much prettier graphics)...crysis warhead on the other hand, will be sooo much sweeter :) 
September 16, 2008 6:21:13 AM

The game looks so much prettier than the original one. I found the original to be one of the best games I've ever played. The atmosphere and settings were so amazing, especially when using Oblivion Lost (which IMO is the only way to play it). I need to beat the original still though, so I won't be picking this up for a while.

I think this game actually looks better than Crysis (activate flame shield). The graphics look more realistic, most things don't shine. In Crysis everything is all shiny. I've yet to see a shiny tree in real life. Stalker almost feels like you are looking at actual photography the way it is.

EDIT: Here's one of the screenshots that I really like

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/945039/stalker-clear-sky/...
September 16, 2008 7:42:31 AM

I just downloaded the game off pirates bay yesterday. Well, the game looks good, but its buggy. Also, level after level u never get any money so its hard to get cool weapons or body armor upgrades which is why i wanted to play the game in the first place. I thought it was going to be like oblivion but u have a gun...aaah-no. Sometimes the game makes u go back and forth through the same areas so u have to fight the same monsters twice and thats dumb. Also if you get cut, shot or are exposed to radiation u slowly die unless u have a med pack bandages or radiation drugs. If ur looking for a simple shoot-em up game, this game is not for u. Its very involved, alot of places u go, u have to throw bolts in front of u because otherwise u have no idea where the radiation is. One second ur alive and well the next ur dead for seemingly no reason. So, if ur gonna play be ready to quick save about every 5 seconds. I would say its an ok game, to less than ok, a C- at best. Im just happy I got the game for free, bit torrent all the way. :) 
September 16, 2008 8:26:38 AM

Man, I'm so looking forward to this!
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2008 9:54:42 AM

ryanthesav - It's cheap t*ssers like you, who are bringing the PC Game industry to a halt. At least don't be so blatant about your piracy. Have the good sense to comment on the game, and not your ideology.
Legit gamers are all gonna lose out because of a*sholes like you.

September 16, 2008 10:34:29 AM

keith12, take it easy bro.
September 16, 2008 10:51:25 AM

ryanthesav said:
I just downloaded the game off pirates bay yesterday. Well, the game looks good, but its buggy. Also, level after level u never get any money so its hard to get cool weapons or body armor upgrades which is why i wanted to play the game in the first place. I thought it was going to be like oblivion but u have a gun...aaah-no. Sometimes the game makes u go back and forth through the same areas so u have to fight the same monsters twice and thats dumb. Also if you get cut, shot or are exposed to radiation u slowly die unless u have a med pack bandages or radiation drugs. If ur looking for a simple shoot-em up game, this game is not for u. Its very involved, alot of places u go, u have to throw bolts in front of u because otherwise u have no idea where the radiation is. One second ur alive and well the next ur dead for seemingly no reason. So, if ur gonna play be ready to quick save about every 5 seconds. I would say its an ok game, to less than ok, a C- at best. Im just happy I got the game for free, bit torrent all the way. :) 



Umm some of the guys with little circles around them on the minimap usually escort you to places so you don't waste time running around.
[ = Medpack
] = Bandages

Use Medpack when you're low on health and Bandages for when you're bleeding, It takes .1 of a second to heal yourself.
So far (Up to the Garbage now) there is one place where you need to throw bolts and that's at the start.


Crysis LOL
September 16, 2008 11:21:38 AM

Just had the Clear Skies delivered a couple of days ago. I've found it a much better improvement on the original regarding Game play and the graphics.

The Improved Dynamic Lighting with settings to Maximum without AA in DX 9 and DX 10 are killers for my PC. The DX 9 averages around 15-20 FPS in high populated area's, while the DX 10 can drop to lows of 8-15 Avg.

The DX 10 seems like the DX 10 effects in Bioshock though i'm by no means an expert, although the lighting at max is by far the best i've seen so far in any game I own, inc Crysis! Have to agree with IndigoMoss, i'm heavily drawn into the game by the realistic textures of old wood, damp infested buildings and battered clothing for example.

Leave it on Full dynamic lighting i can max it inc full AA draw distance etc.. with 50-60 FPS. Just shows the ambiance setting can cause a med-high rig to go wibble easily.
September 16, 2008 12:13:56 PM

closed_deal said:
Just had the Clear Skies delivered a couple of days ago. I've found it a much better improvement on the original regarding Game play and the graphics.


Good for you. At least you didn't download it from pirate's bay. :sol: 
September 16, 2008 12:18:52 PM

I download games as well, and if I liked them or like em, I buy it. If they had a good past (E.g Half life creators, COD4 and a couple more) I buy them right off the bat.

I have nothing against ppl downloading really, but with Crysis Warhead for example or Portal or Ep 2, I think they were priced perfect (no 50$ like other game companies charge) and deserve the money.

If games were less expensive lets say 10-30$ I dunno if alot of ppl would go through the trouble of downloading it, cracking it, wait for a patch to fix the problem, then wait for another no DVD/CD crack for that patch, have to load an image Crack etc.

so don't think that the game companies are angels to:)  They overprice games in most cases, when they can sell more quantity and still come out better with both the public and profit.

That being said, for Stalker they put alot of effort in the game, so I ended up buying it:) 
September 16, 2008 12:58:05 PM

ah the once mighty 8800gt has fallen. i was wondering when this was going to happen.

i sometimes download really old games but never newer ones. im looking for deus ex:invisible war but cant find it anywhere on torrents.
September 16, 2008 12:59:12 PM

demanding game or just plain bad programming.
September 16, 2008 1:48:24 PM

It was reviewed as bad optimization on many sites. So you'll have to wait for the patch:)  like crysis:) 
September 16, 2008 1:56:06 PM

Day'yam

My I wait until all the patches are out and the drm has been removed or cracked and then I buy a game.
Some times I wait until it hits the cutout bins.
September 16, 2008 2:05:33 PM

im going to have to go with bad coding. look at the difference with Crysis.
Stalker looks like crap in comparison.

September 16, 2008 2:09:56 PM

Bad optimization, now where have I heard that before………….oh yeah when Crysis was first launched and a lot of us thought ‘oh I’ll wait until the first patch comes out that will fix the performance issues.’ Well when the patch came out in March it done bugger all for frame rates, and despite numerous driver updates from both Nvidia and ATI the came refuses to scale to anywhere near 100%.

The benchmarks and frame rates you see if that review are the ones you’re going to be getting next year when the game is fully patched, you might get a modest boost but don’t expect to get 50 fps when your currently getting 20 fps it just isn’t going to happen.

The only way you will get a better frame rate is the programmes go back the drawing board look at the engine and overhaul it. Half Life 2 Episode 2 is one of best looking games out there yet you can get frame rates in excess of 30fps on an 8600gt according to the Toms Hardware charts.
September 16, 2008 2:17:19 PM

actually thats not true, considering that Crysis, was completely unplayable in DX 10 when it came out, even in DX 9 it had trouble. And this was only on high

with the new patch people can now play Very high (ofc the frames aren't huge) but the gameplay was fixed more than before.


As for the Crysis vs Stalker comparison, stalker might have lower shader models for characters but the scenrios has a lot more going on for it in terms of detail.

While Crysis has alot of detail most of the scenerio is unchanged, green here, gravel there and water there. In Stalker you've got a vast difference in scenerios including multiple targets.

And don't forget the benchmarks show around 30-60 fps in general in Stalker and the game isn't even patched, so we should expect the patch to help alot especially since stalker already nearly scales 100%.

Not only that but Stalker will never have models that look as good as Crysis because their shader isn't as detailed and demanding, their main thing that will compete with Crysis will probably scenario and Setting of the game.

a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2008 2:26:21 PM

Is it me, or am I seeing more detail in stalker?
September 16, 2008 2:30:25 PM

i think its you Jaydeejohn

but l1qu1d is right about more varied models and stuff in stalker.
September 16, 2008 2:50:22 PM

I sure like that Stalker pic, though. Crysis one seems too.... shiny, like (forgot his name) said. Stalker looks *real*.

Also, this news is depressing, I just bought my HD 4670, and it's bound to be crushed.
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2008 2:53:15 PM

Dang, hate it when that happens, tho the detailing of the face and leaves and such look pretty nice heheh
September 16, 2008 3:05:39 PM

The trees and terrain seem to look bette in Crysis, but the details in the person in Stalker pic looks better then Crysis, at least it does to me.
September 16, 2008 3:24:49 PM

Putting my supposed "fanboyism" aside, I have a hard time believing the 4870X2 part of this review. Just because you add a second card and a little more VRAM doesn't mean you instantly get 2x the frames. It has never worked like that before, why now?

And to those people that are saying this game looks better than Crysis. BS

The textures are so bland, and blurry. Looks like their using 256x256 textures.

And the foliage. Look at the Trees in the backgrounds. Crysis's look 10x better
September 16, 2008 3:36:48 PM

^agreed
textures expecially. But thats because they have more textures in the map.
September 16, 2008 3:37:35 PM

Stalker scales very well with cards lol, so don't be that surprised, The extra V ram helps with texture quality as well.

September 16, 2008 3:40:04 PM

Too bad we don't have an open daylight pic of Stalker.... or a nighttime pic of Crysis up there. Kind of hard to compare.
September 16, 2008 3:42:39 PM

well some1 could run a benchmark during the night in Crysis and take a snap shot:) 
September 16, 2008 3:44:37 PM

Shouldn't matter how many textures are in the map. Should only be loading the textures that are visible by the PC.

Also, the extra VRAM isn't going to help the texture quality if the textures are **** to begin with.

I would get a nighttime comparison pic, but I don't own Crysis.... yet...
September 16, 2008 4:07:15 PM

Ok fella's i'll take some STALKER daytime pic's, (before i add my second water loop) although i can't be bothered to install Crysis again, we should all know what it looks by now anyway.

Picture isn't the greatest quality was 6MB now 1MB and even the 6MB didn't give it true justice...

It's in DX 10 with all eye candy maxxed



And another.

September 16, 2008 5:34:25 PM

the thing I really didnt like about the first one was that the accuracy of the weapons were absolutely horrible...and for some reason, when enemies would shoot, they were amazingly accurate...idk, i guess I got too frustrated with the consistent dying and stuff...I guess I've just been spoiled by the Half Life series....
September 16, 2008 6:47:23 PM

I personally think the screens look pretty 'bleh', crysis is much nicer looking. Especially the character modelling. Its all too grey and misty...even if its meant to be....
September 16, 2008 6:51:11 PM

tomdrum said:
I personally think the screens look pretty 'bleh', crysis is much nicer looking. Especially the character modelling. Its all too grey and misty...even if its meant to be....


I have to disagree. It gives it that bleak atmosphere; if the sun was shining and birds were flying in the sky, it'd be like if you were on a tropical island and all of a sudden it started snowing...

I love the foliage and water in Crysis, but the character models and a lot of the textures are way too shiny. It makes it look like everything was oiled up for a photo shoot in Maxim.
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2008 7:20:41 PM

Well it does look pretty good for what it is. It's not a bright and beautiful world, it is supposed to be representing a rather dismal world with dark, dismal and murky colours. It's not a lush tropical jungle beachfront.

The thing that struck me as slightly off (don't know why just noticed it) was the length of the shadows seems a little exagerated. The sun should be a little lower on the horizon to cast such shadows IMO, but other than that looks pretty good. I'm not going to make value judgements of it looks better or worse than another game, to each their own.

As for the X2 scaling, it's not uncommon that it or the GX2 for that matter scale well in certain situations. It's surprising that it does so well right out of the box, but not something where it makes me question the validity, especially if it's a shader-heavy DX10 game, which have shown better scaling of late than they did in the past.

I have seen both the GX2 and X2 scale beyond 2x performance, and while rare, it does happen. I've even seen above 4X scaling, but that was in situations where the other card was being noticably limited, especially with regards to memory. Based on the results I'd like to see the HD4870-1GB's results versus the 512MB model used here, it would likely show a good boost to, just based on the workload it's providing these cards even without AA.
September 16, 2008 7:25:41 PM

customisbetter said:
im going to have to go with bad coding. look at the difference with Crysis.
Stalker looks like crap in comparison.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk51/customisbetter/untitled.jpg?t=1221573833


JAYDEEJOHN said:
Is it me, or am I seeing more detail in stalker?


closed_deal said:
Ok fella's i'll take some STALKER daytime pic's, (before i add my second water loop) although i can't be bothered to install Crysis again, we should all know what it looks by now anyway.

Picture isn't the greatest quality was 6MB now 1MB and even the 6MB didn't give it true justice...

It's in DX 10 with all eye candy maxxed

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/closed_deal/xrEngine2008-09-1617-12-09-49.jpg

And another.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/closed_deal/xrEngine2008-09-1617-09-43-79.jpg


Lol, frankly, Clear Sky looked better, at least from the screenshots, especially the side to side one with Crysis. Textures aside, the atomospheric effect in Clear Sky is much better. Crysis is just brightly colored and crisp, while Stalker is darker and more gloomy, which isn't the same as bad graphics. If anything, it's the opposite - looking like a photo, as opposed to a brightly colored painting.

L1qu1d said:
I download games as well, and if I liked them or like em, I buy it. If they had a good past (E.g Half life creators, COD4 and a couple more) I buy them right off the bat.

I have nothing against ppl downloading really, but with Crysis Warhead for example or Portal or Ep 2, I think they were priced perfect (no 50$ like other game companies charge) and deserve the money.

If games were less expensive lets say 10-30$ I dunno if alot of ppl would go through the trouble of downloading it, cracking it, wait for a patch to fix the problem, then wait for another no DVD/CD crack for that patch, have to load an image Crack etc.

so don't think that the game companies are angels to:)  They overprice games in most cases, when they can sell more quantity and still come out better with both the public and profit.

That being said, for Stalker they put alot of effort in the game, so I ended up buying it:) 


Lol, same here. Although usually only if there's no demo available. There have been 2 exceptions recently though: Spore and Mass Effect. I liked them, but won't buy due to the 3 install/activation drm used in both. Rewarding such behavior is bad for gaming community.
September 16, 2008 8:18:22 PM

if you look at the average & max FPS its quite close so i cant see it being more optimised than that
September 16, 2008 9:07:12 PM

The game scales well for me, when running in sli I average about 55fps.
September 16, 2008 9:09:33 PM

And another thing, I think my review of the game still stands. I dont care if all of you hate on me for the piracy. The game costs too much for what it delivered; so im happy i downloaded.
September 16, 2008 9:15:02 PM

You know, when I think games cost too much, I wait a couple years, and buy them cheap used. Just bought Pariah, Prey, and the first Stalker for like... $20 total. (My hardware runs a couple years behind, too.)
September 16, 2008 9:45:21 PM

It's only £18, not exactly stretching your pocket is it. Think of the poor console owners who pay upwards of £40 and higher, for what is in effect a lesser game.
September 16, 2008 10:38:24 PM

its 39.99 on steam and I believe 49.99$ in stores. The game to me seems to be a not very fun Half life run over.

They tried to hard to create a setting in the game instead of delivering worthy fire fights mixed with clever puzzles (You kno the ones that are actually fun, HL2 !!!!).

All in all it is truly a really good game compared to alot out there on the market that go for the same price, but honestly Crysis atleast looked revolutionary when it killed my computer....what the hell is this game taking out of me and where is it? I cant see it!!!!
September 17, 2008 3:20:08 AM

well at least we all agree that HL2 owns everything...
September 17, 2008 3:28:21 AM

yeah they really changed the way FPS are :)  Hopefully

In my opnion we had both gaming and graphical revolution with the release of Half life 2(Source engine) (Also doom 3) where things actually started using shaders that are still used today as well and still a treat for the eye.

and now we have Crysis which step-up to real life looking scenario texture and human behavior (physical) models.

Ofc we can't wait the system that start the 128 bit revolution with High end graphics for its time (infornt of the PC for its time) the Sega Dreamcast, which proved to be the first finger twitching graphics of its time with the 70,000,000$ game called Shenmue.

Anyways just a couple of memorable changes I think changed the way we game.
September 17, 2008 3:30:41 AM

Correction: Deux Ex owns everything....

(Never played HL2, though)
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